So those republicans lying to the pollsters were gaslighting americans.

[applegrove]

What else would you call it?

[joshcryer]

1. No, they were just doing what they do every day.

Lying.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Did people lie to pollsters in significant numbers, or

did the pollsters fail to sample correctly or weight their data accurately?

[applegrove]

3. Every pollster failed to sample and weigh their data for 8 months? Every

one of them in every poll?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. I don't know; I'm just asking the question.

I don't know much of anything about statistics in general or polling practices in general, but I do know that there are theories about how polls should be conducted, and it's possible that the theories are no longer valid because of changes in demographics, cell phone contacts, or other factors. Maybe the statisticians aren't looking at polls the right way anymore. It just makes no sense to me that anyone, even a dumbass Trumper, would lie to some pollster who calls on the phone and asks who they're voting for. There would have to be a concerted movement to lie deliberately to have any effect; are that many people lying just for the hell of it, not caring if it made any difference in the poll? I don't know. But I do know that I'm going to be ignoring polls after this. And there will be a lot of analyzing by a lot of people.

[applegrove]

11. Well i was saying in 2005 that the exit polls were wrong because of

liars on election day in 2004. The republican excuse was 'shy elephants'. These election they were named 'shy republicans' - those who messed up the pre election polls. My ***!

[joshcryer]

6. GOP lie at around 10%.

Which is approximately how much things shifted.

https://www.cloudresearch.com/resources/blog/election-2020-poll-respondent-honesty/

They didn't account for it. They can't account for it because how could they?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. If GOPers in particular tend to lie to pollsters for the reasons given -

not so much intentional malice but more commonly fears relating to privacy or repercussions - shouldn't there be a way to factor into any poll the likelihood that some percentage of all voters aren't being truthful, weighted according to party?

[Azathoth]

10. Little of both, but the error was across all pollsters

There's clearly some fundamental mechanism at work beyond any single pollster's sampling methodology.

[crimycarny]

4. I think Russia is interfering

No way polls are off this much again. Russia figured something out in 2016 and they are repeating it. They are flipping votes, I will go to my grave believing this. No way did this many YOUTH turn out and vote for Trump. Look at the data of those voters turning out. This is ratfuckery.

[catsudon]

7. well, go play some online games with young kids....

on the voice chat, nothing but crass / misogynism comments from young kids.

they look up to rappers who are trump supports as their role model.

[LizBeth]

8. +1. I agree. Republicans all over were voting Biden, youth vote, people coming out. I think so.

I think they got in the machines and we have evidence they did in Florida in two locations in 2016.

[catsudon]

5. of course they did

repub-thug does not trust the media, so why would they tell the truth to the pollsters?

i never thought there would be a landslide because i don't trust the polls. the country is 50-50, when you go out in the public, any people you see on the street could be one of them. does not matter if they're blacks, women, old, young...etc

some of them may not like trump, but hates 'liberals' more.

[2naSalit]

13. Said it before, don't believe the polls...

And now here we are.