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BComplex

(8,017 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:37 AM Nov 2020

I want audits and hand counts in EVERY STATE that went against the polling.

Every race needs to be audited. Until that happens, the country is not safe. Our democracy is going to remain in unbelievable in the eyes of the world.

We owe it to ourselves, and Biden, and all the senators, should not accept defeat until the audits are complete.

There has been way too much gerrymandering with the courts, the votes, and the polls to just sit back and accept this cluster f***.

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I want audits and hand counts in EVERY STATE that went against the polling. (Original Post) BComplex Nov 2020 OP
I have no objection to auditing, but what does polling have to do with it? brooklynite Nov 2020 #1
I think the OP is suggesting auditing every state (district? Precinct?) where The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #2
That's my point: what's the basis for "different from the polls" as a measure? brooklynite Nov 2020 #5
That's the problem. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #8
I'm sure the close states will be reviewed. But whatawedo if it goes the other way? Hoyt Nov 2020 #3
I can't see that happening. Pollsters need a new way to find people willing Maraya1969 Nov 2020 #10
Honestly, if pollsters are considered "scientists," I ain't trusting their science anymore. Hoyt Nov 2020 #19
Paper ballots saved us? They are verifiable. We need to stick with paper. Freethinker65 Nov 2020 #4
No one is even mentioning foreign interference. JaneQPublic Nov 2020 #6
I know, right??? crimycarny Nov 2020 #16
+1,000 (nt) JaneQPublic Nov 2020 #21
FL way underestimated Cuban-American sentiment. trump gained 200k over 2016. Roland99 Nov 2020 #7
I agree! crimycarny Nov 2020 #9
That's all I'm saying, crimycarny. BComplex Nov 2020 #14
I'm with you 1000% crimycarny Nov 2020 #18
And I want to be a queen of England. LisaL Nov 2020 #11
How about based on evidence Russia has hacked into our voting machines? crimycarny Nov 2020 #20
***VOTER SUPPRESSION !!*** It works, pollsters minimize and dems ignore it by say "just vote" as uponit7771 Nov 2020 #12
Voting does negate suppression, if many people go out there and vote. LisaL Nov 2020 #15
Lets see how this thinking keeps working going forward, if people can't "just vote" then that doesn' uponit7771 Nov 2020 #17
The White women lied...end of story Rice4VP Nov 2020 #13
I agree Ohio had requested 3.2 million ballots and somehow Tribetime Nov 2020 #22
Exactly. The cheating we know about is horrifying enough ecstatic Nov 2020 #23
Here: Kingofalldems Nov 2020 #24

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
2. I think the OP is suggesting auditing every state (district? Precinct?) where
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:40 AM
Nov 2020

the vote totals were substantially different from the polls. Not sure how to do that.

brooklynite

(94,302 posts)
5. That's my point: what's the basis for "different from the polls" as a measure?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

Polls are a private entity. Polls require a buy in by the people surveyed. Polls require assumptions of turnout by the pollsters.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,576 posts)
8. That's the problem.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:45 AM
Nov 2020

I don't think an audit is the answer to the poll problem because polls typically interview only about 1,000 people, so how do you know whether any of those 1,000 people even voted, or for whom?

Maraya1969

(22,459 posts)
10. I can't see that happening. Pollsters need a new way to find people willing
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:46 AM
Nov 2020

to answer polls. Using people who happen to answer the phone doesn't seem to be cutting it.

That being said how can the polls be so wrong again?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. Honestly, if pollsters are considered "scientists," I ain't trusting their science anymore.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:54 AM
Nov 2020

Clearly, they are missing some voters in their polls and/or not detecting less than truthful responses.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
6. No one is even mentioning foreign interference.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

It was just a month or two ago when U.S. Intelligence announced findings that Russia and maybe even Iran and China, were meddling in our election.

Then the election comes and the results don't match polls, but no one says a word about Russia.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
16. I know, right???
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

Media, etc just keep talking about how off the polls were. The polls are our canary in the coal mine! The polls should be a big red flashing warning sign that something is off, way off.

I want a f*cking forensic investigation into whether or not the electronic vote tallies match the paper receipt.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
7. FL way underestimated Cuban-American sentiment. trump gained 200k over 2016.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:43 AM
Nov 2020

Biden was close to 2016 numbers for Clinton.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
9. I agree!
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:45 AM
Nov 2020

We need to get to answer the question, once and for all, of whether or not votes are being manipulated by outside actors. I’m tired of the lack of oversight and NO investigation.

The Mueller Report said they found “no evidence” votes were changed in 2016, but it goes on to say there was never any forensic investigation into whether or not votes were changed. Well of course you’re not going to find evidence if you don’t do an investigation!!

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
18. I'm with you 1000%
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:51 AM
Nov 2020

How lame is the US that they don’t even investigate? Putin must be shaking his head in amusement at how easy it turns out he can control our election. What country doesn’t even LOOK for interference?

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
11. And I want to be a queen of England.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:47 AM
Nov 2020

Polls aren't always accurate. You can't demand a recount based on polls.

crimycarny

(1,351 posts)
20. How about based on evidence Russia has hacked into our voting machines?
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:56 AM
Nov 2020

And our intelligence agencies warned about it? They also stated they believed Russia has the capability to change voting tabulations. Based on that intel alone there should be an investigation to see if Russia interfered with the vote. Polls being way off could be a good indicator of where to start first.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
12. ***VOTER SUPPRESSION !!*** It works, pollsters minimize and dems ignore it by say "just vote" as
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:47 AM
Nov 2020

... if "just voting" negates suppression

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
15. Voting does negate suppression, if many people go out there and vote.
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

That didn't exactly happen in many states.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
17. Lets see how this thinking keeps working going forward, if people can't "just vote" then that doesn'
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 09:49 AM
Nov 2020

... negate voter suppression.

Getting rid of voter suppression negates voter suppression, there's really no other fact based way to explain how the polling in the US can be so weighted towards republicans for so long in the US

Tribetime

(4,681 posts)
22. I agree Ohio had requested 3.2 million ballots and somehow
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:10 AM
Nov 2020

This morning it now says 3.6 million were requested ?

ecstatic

(32,641 posts)
23. Exactly. The cheating we know about is horrifying enough
Wed Nov 4, 2020, 10:10 AM
Nov 2020

The attempt to take down the US postal service? The ridiculous Court battles? Trying to force Kanye West onto the ballot? That's just the stuff we know about. God only knows what's happening behind the scenes.

His mishandling of the coronavirus alone should seal his fate. I'm not buying that the majority of Americans want to sign up for.... basically no end in sight to this nightmare.

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