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If Trump actually gets a recount of the Wisconsin election, he will have to pre-pay the entire estimated cost, before it can start.
That is estimated to be $3,000,000.00
It would be the first time Trump has actually paid a bill, in full.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)I wondered what it would cost. Thats interesting
shelshaw
(536 posts)to every single city that he stiffed over the last couple of years before even considering a recount. Sort of like they do with drivers licenses if you have an unpaid ticket.
soothsayer
(38,601 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)Lying he'll use some of it for himself instead, while pleading he needs more, like he's done to big donors. He'll use this to pocket money.
Tetrachloride
(7,884 posts)Cost for Candidate-Initiated Recounts:
Paid entirely by initiator
The petitioner shall pay a fee equal to the actual cost of performing the recount in each ward or municipality for which the petition requests a recount, plus the actual cost incurred by the commission to provide services for performing the recount. Wis. Stat. § 9.01(1)(ag)2.
All fees shall be prepaid in cash or another form of payment which is acceptable to the officer to whom they are paid. Wis. Stat. § 9.01(ag)3.
WonderGrunion
(2,995 posts)I would insist everything he wants is prepaid to start.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)"Only an aggrieved candidate, defined as a candidate for an office whose total votes were within 1% of the winners vote total when at least 4,000 votes were cast or within 40 votes of the winners total if fewer than 4,000 votes were cast may request a recount of results for an office."
https://elections.wi.gov/elections-voting/recount
I think Biden's vote total is 1,630,389 and the Orangetan 1,609,879
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-wisconsin.html
1% of 1,630,389 is 16304.
1,609,879 + 16,304 = 1,626,183 < 1,630,389
I don't think Trumpty Dumpty is within 1%
LiberalFighter
(51,226 posts)So instead of based on Biden's votes it is total votes cast. Personally, I think it should be the way you described.
Right now that is
JB - 1,630,542
DT- 1,610,007
JJ - 38,414
BC - 5,253
DB - 5,205
Total -- 3,289,421
1% = 32,894
It is actually 2.01% based on winner votes.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)news story quoting a lawyer who believed Trump ineligible because the margin (as I calculated it above) was above 1%
LiberalFighter
(51,226 posts)unfortunately. I thought you had something there until I investigated further.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Someone posted that yesterday. I guess he changed his mind again.
It's unlikely to change things. A 2016 recount resulted in a change of something like 125 votes.
George II
(67,782 posts)doc03
(35,416 posts)bluedigger
(17,088 posts)onetexan
(13,077 posts)Let me know if that's not the case in WI.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)onetexan
(13,077 posts)as that is.
PAMod
(906 posts)A campaign can pay for a recount if the difference is less than 1% of the total.
GopherGal
(2,010 posts)if the candidate that challenges the count comes up ahead (or within 0.25%) in the new count.
So, it's a gamble: Bet $3 million. If you end up ahead or within 0.25%, you get your money back. If you don't, the state gets to keep your money.
Then again, this is a man who managed to lose money in the casino business.
TNNurse
(6,931 posts)FakeNoose
(32,841 posts)... like everything else he does.
louis-t
(23,309 posts)good money after bad. I don't think his 'attorneys' will work for free either. At some point they will say 'enough'.
jovibennett
(120 posts)Trump Camp Uses Online Gimmick to Fuel Donations Into December
The Trump campaign is now automatically checking a box to create recurring weekly donations from supporters until mid-December.
President Trumps campaign is raising money for a prolonged political and legal fight long after Nov. 3 and recently began automatically checking a box to withdraw additional weekly contributions from online donors through mid-December nearly six weeks after Election Day.
Predicting FRAUD like youve never seen, the language on Mr. Trumps website opts contributors into making the weekly post-election donations to ensure we have the resources to protect the results and keep fighting even after Election Day. Users must proactively click to avoid making multiple contributions.
The unusual post-election revenue stream would help Mr. Trump pay off any bills that his campaign accumulates before Tuesday a campaign spokesman said no such debts had been incurred and could help fund a lengthy legal fight if the results are contested.
This race will be very close, and it is possible that multiple states will require recounts and potential additional spending from our campaign, said Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for Mr. Trumps campaign. The election process this year is under extraordinary circumstances, and we are also anticipating that Silicon Valley will attempt to interfere with our online fund-raising efforts post-election.
Democrats said automatically opting contributors into post-election giving was a misleading tactic.
Theyre inventing new deceptive tactics to essentially steal money from people, said Mike Nellis, a Democratic digital strategist with an expertise in fund-raising. Theyre going completely and totally scorched earth on their own supporters. Ive never seen anything like this in my life.
Mr. Murtaugh said that no one would receive a recurring charge without their knowledge and that donors could opt out of recurring contributions both before donating and afterward. Three days before each recurring charge, donors are emailed a reminder that the charge is about to occur, he said. There is a one-click link inside this email for donors to cancel if they wish. Our process is extremely transparent.
When the recount or litigation process ends, Mr. Murtaugh added, the recurring payments will end."
The extra donations are just the latest hyperaggressive tactic employed by the Trump operation as it struggles to keep up financially with Joseph R. Biden Jr.s campaign. On Friday, the campaign promised supporters that their contributions would be matched 1000%, after months of ratcheting up the levels of matches that campaign experts said almost surely do not actually exist. (The Trump campaign declined to say if the matches were real; Mr. Murtaugh said only that it was a common fund-raising approach used by both parties)
Today in record-breaking achievements of grift, Caitlin Mitchell, a top digital strategist for Mr. Biden, wrote mockingly on Twitter of the purported 1,000 percent match. The Biden campaign said it had never offered donation matches.
The Trump email, which had two flashing light emojis in the subject line, was one of 21 that blitzed supporters accounts on Friday nearly one per hour almost all of which asked for money. For comparison, the Biden campaign sent eight emails on Friday.
In the final stretch of the 2020 race, Mr. Trump is being dramatically outspent on the airwaves, and as of Oct. 14, his campaign treasury had dwindled to $43.6 million, with $1.2 million in debts. Mr. Bidens campaign reported $162 million cash on hand that day.
Combined with party funds, Mr. Trump had about $224 million, compared with $335 million for Mr. Biden, but party funds cannot be used to pay for many key costs, including campaign personnel and most advertising costs beyond a strict limit. Since then, Mr. Trumps campaign canceled a net total of about $19 million in reserved television ads, according to data from Advertising Analytics, and the Republican National Committee stepped in to pay for the ads instead, using the limited funds it can spend in coordination with the campaign.
Mr. Trump has taken to addressing the financial disadvantage directly at his rallies. I could have been the greatest political fund-raiser, he said Saturday in Pennsylvania, saying he had avoided shaking down wealthy interests for more money.
We have plenty, he said. You can only buy so many commercials.
It has been a different message to his supporters online, where his campaign has cranked out more frequent and more intense cash solicitations.
The Twitter account @TrumpEmail, which has cataloged all of Mr. Trumps email solicitations for nearly three years, provided The New York Times with access to its database, which shows Mr. Trumps climbing number of monthly emails this year from January (63) to May (159) to July (239) to September (330) and roughly 400 in October
Many messages employ shaming tactics to prod backers into giving. The President selected YOU to be a part of this exclusive group, so he was really surprised when we told him you STILL hadnt stepped up, read one recent email urging people to donate and activate a 2020 Trump Diamond Card. Gold and platinum cards have also been dangled for donations.
Patrick Ruffini, a Republican pollster who previously worked in digital fund-raising, said the Trump campaigns digital marketing tactics mirrored Mr. Trumps personality.
The president doesnt have a filter, and there arent a lot of restraints on what theyll say or do from a fund-raising standpoint either, Mr. Ruffini said. He called the campaign an optimization machine designed to maximize revenue above all else.
The matching inflation is a running joke, Mr. Ruffini said of the promised phantom matches that have climbed from 500 percent in May to 600 percent in June, 700 percent in July and, occasionally, 900 percent and now 1,000 percent in October.
Julia Rosen, a Democratic digital fund-raising specialist, compared that tactic to giving kids candy instead of their Wheaties: a temporary sugar high followed by a crash. If you start off offering donors matches, they like that, and it becomes a situation where then theyll only give if you give them a match, she said.
They have optimized themselves into absurdity and parody, she added of the Trump campaign.
Privately, some Republicans wonder if Mr. Trumps campaign deployed such tactics far too early, exhausting a supporter list that had been considered one of its strongest assets. At this point, however, most see little downside to the most aggressive marketing tactics, arguing that the risk of turning off supporters was no worse than losing the election.
Mr. Trumps campaign has used a tool created by WinRed, the donation-processing site, that automatically opts supporters into making additional donations for months, and it has generated millions of dollars, according to people familiar with the matter. As far back as June, the campaign had asked supporters to give a second donation timed to Mr. Trumps birthday. The campaign announced a record-breaking $14 million online haul that day but did not mention that it had piled up promised contributions in advance.
ActBlue, the Democratic donation-processing site, began removing a feature that automatically opted donors into recurring donations from its platform earlier this year. A representative said that no candidates were now using that tool but declined further comment. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, however, still does use the opt-in tool for automatic monthly donations.
The Biden campaign has directed some Facebook ads to existing donors specifically seeking to convert them to weekly and monthly contributors, and the landing pages after people click on those ads have the recurring donation option prechecked.
Mr. Trumps advisers had once promised that he was building a digital juggernaut, but a groundswell of support for Mr. Biden has helped the Democratic challenger lap the incumbent financially since the summer.
The total hauls online via WinRed for Mr. Trumps campaign itself and the Trump Make America Great Again committee, which he operates jointly with the R.N.C. to raise small donations, rose only marginally from $91.1 million in July to $106.1 million in August to $118.5 million in September. At the same time, Mr. Bidens online hauls in his equivalent committees exploded from $46 million in July to $191 million in August and $193 million in September.
And in the final stretch, Mr. Trumps campaign is still spending heavily to raise money.
The Trump Make America Great Again Committee spent $32 million as it raised $36.9 million in the first two weeks of October a burn rate of nearly 87 percent, according to federal filings. Some of that advertising for donors did double duty mobilizing Mr. Trumps base.
Mr. Murtaugh said a more accurate view of fund-raising would include costs across the campaign, R.N.C. and all their joint committees, which he said was 34 percent from Oct. 1 to Oct. 14, and that had shrunk to 25 percent since Oct. 15.
Its clear they are just trying to squeeze every penny out of this thing while they still can, said Mr. Nellis, the Democratic strategist.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/politics/trump-fundraising-donations.html
dv421
(170 posts)really well from his televangelist buddies on how to fleece the followers.
spanone
(135,915 posts)LymphocyteLover
(5,662 posts)johnnyfins
(860 posts)bdamomma
(63,941 posts)doesn't go crying to the SC over his non win.
wnylib
(21,710 posts)It's why Covid Amy had to be rushed onto the court while people were voting.
Two questions: What excuse will Barr or Rudy use to claim a complaint is valid enough to go through the system up to the SC? And will the court take it seriously enough for a ruling or will it toss out the case?
stopwastingmymoney
(2,042 posts)If they want to recount Wisconsin. Georgia is so close, if they declare it for T, we should ask for a recount there. Results might be interesting and it would drive them crazy, hehe
Vivienne235729
(3,391 posts)Now that he actually has to pay for it.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)gab13by13
(21,470 posts)from 3 million dollars to rubles? Asking for a friend.
obamanut2012
(26,165 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Augiedog
(2,549 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,226 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,226 posts)Tarc
(10,478 posts)although by now, she may have exchanged it for rubles...
LiberalFighter
(51,226 posts)Not centralized at the county level like most states.
Straw Man
(6,626 posts)... for stiffing bus drivers. And contractors. And lawyers. And the IRS. And ...