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NPR is reporting that conservative Maricopa County votes are being counted. They have narrowed Biden's lead and the count is not finished. More Maricopa County votes due later tonight. Votes are also coming in from Tucson, which is more Democratic, but in lower numbers than the votes from Maricopa Co.
But, even if Biden's lead does not hold in Arizona, there are still PA, GA, NV,and NC.
Disappointng if we lose AZ, but not the end of the story.
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)Or are they expecting it to narrow enough that he could be in trouble too?
StarryNite
(9,461 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)than Joe so has a bigger cushion. Fingees crossed.
Wanderlust988
(509 posts)Simply just winning them is not enough to overcome Biden's lead. And I heard that the late batches are more likely to be Democratic.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)That's the point of Maricopa County: It's not conservative. Those voters put Kyrsten Sinema in office.
I'm shitting bricks over this. Come on, Arizona! Chrissakes.
Amishman
(5,559 posts)I'm still holding out a lot of hope that the mountain of votes still to count are purple or blue overall.
marybourg
(12,642 posts)I live in one. Its huge, and certainly hasnt become uniformly blue within 4 years.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)But when you look at AZ as a whole, I'd call Gila, Yavapai, Graham and Mojave our conservative counties.
I personally wouldn't call Maricopa or Pima conservative, in the context of AZ counties. They have given us two blue senators. Without those counties, we'd be in a mess.
marybourg
(12,642 posts)but rather saying that the votes were going to come from that part of the county that was conservative. Like saying red America.
wnylib
(21,664 posts)whom Trump pardoned.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Without Maricopa county, we wouldn't have Kyrsten Sinema and now, likely, Senator Mark Kelly. If we "Go Blue" it's thanks to Maricopa.
wnylib
(21,664 posts)Hope you are right and I now feel better. Still a bit anxious, but not as much as earlier.
GoCubsGo
(32,097 posts)And, whose Republican party rejected him in the primary, when he ran again this year.
wnylib
(21,664 posts)Klaralven
(7,510 posts)4,485,414 Maricopa County population; 1,680,992 Phoenix part of Maricopa County.
Cha
(297,813 posts)County is Phoenix Mesa Glendale.
I wouldn't think Phoenix would be brainwashed.. not sure about Mesa & Glendale.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Biden down 14K, 98% counted
in2herbs
(2,947 posts)support comes from the well-to-do white folks in Scottsdale.
StarryNite
(9,461 posts)wnylib
(21,664 posts)Scottsdale. He is a staunch Democrat and despises Republicans. In fact, I have been concerned, due to his age, about how worked up he gets over Trump, whom he calls "President Pinochio." He lost his wife 2 years ago and now focuses his whole life around seeing Trump dumped.
Two of his sons are in AZ, but not in Scottsdale. Also Dems. Another son is a RWer living in SC. What can I say? Even good Dem families can have bad apples.
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)Kali
(55,026 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)but it isn't a Pima or Santa Cruz county.
Cha
(297,813 posts)Cha
(297,813 posts)got that from?
llmart
(15,557 posts)n/t
wnylib
(21,664 posts)still hoping for the best and counting on other states as backup.
yellowcanine
(35,702 posts)could happen. Also Maricopa County is huge and some parts are very liberal so I am not sure your premise of "conservative Maricopa County" is correct.
wnylib
(21,664 posts)Republican crowd is shouting "Count the votes."
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)Response to wnylib (Original post)
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MR. ELECTABLE
(218 posts)Back of the envelope Arizona calculations:
Assuming outstanding votes are representative to the votes already counted.
Based off of remaining percentages from NYT:
TRUMP GAINS
-----------
Mojave 11,750
Pinal 2,700
Gila 1,700
Conchise 1,600
Graham 1,500
Yuma 1,500
Navajo 600
La Paz 300
Greenlee 250
TOTAL 21,900
BIDEN GAINS WITHOUT MARICOPA COUNTY
-----------
Pima 11,000
Coconino 4,250
Apache 2,250
Santa Cruz 1,750
TOTAL 19,250
NET BIDEN GAIN ASSUMING SIMILAR VOTING IN REMAINING COUNTIES: 19,250 - 21,900 = -2650
Biden's current lead is ~68,390 votes.
Assuming the remainder of Maricopa county's 275,000 votes go 58-42 for Trump (basically worst case),
that would reduce his lead by ~44,000 votes. (275,000 * 0.04)
That would still leave a margin of ~22,000 votes.
Note that having the rest of Maricopa county go 58-42 is unlikely. It is my understanding that the remaining votes in Maricopa may be concentrated in Democratic-leaning districts:
District leaning %Complete
CD5 R+15 100%
CD6 R+9 82%
CD7 D+23 59%
CD8 R+13 91%
CD9 D+4 76%
It's possible there could be some kind of extreme shift in the uncounted votes but it seems unlikely that it could erase Biden's margin altogether.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,769 posts)Cha
(297,813 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)From The Hill (I know, I know, but this seems to be fairly written), 11/01/2020:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523693-why-maricopa-county-will-choose-the-next-president%3famp
GLENDALE, Ariz. - The path to the White House runs straight through an elementary school playfield here, where on a recent Saturday morning a plane paid for by the Democratic National Committee drags a banner urging parents watching their kids play soccer to vote.
Those parents, and the other 4.7 million residents in Maricopa County, are at the epicenter of the battle for the White House. For the first time in decades, the largest county in this ordinarily conservative swing state has become an urgent priority for both Democrats and Republicans. No single media market has attracted more political advertising spending than have television stations in Phoenix.
Together, the voters of Maricopa County represent a microcosm of the poles dividing American politics today, from the nativist anti-immigration hardliners who have been President Trump's most ardent supporters to the growing minority communities who are finding their political power anew.
The fulcrum, the voters who will decide how this state - and the nation - tilts Tuesday, are the growing number of suburbanites in the rapidly expanding developments that have sent Maricopa County's population skyrocketing. They come in search of inexpensive housing, good-paying jobs in the growing tech sector, and the year-round sun for golf-loving retirees.