More possible mischief

[EndlessWire]

I know that people have fought hard and now want to enjoy the relief they feel. It feels good to relax with a grin on your face and a feeling of "take that!"

But, Trump isn't done. He just isn't. One of the state's leaders made the statement that his state would not go against the will of the people (I just can't remember which state it was.) But, I don't think it is up to him.

Read this link and see what you think:

https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/dec.-8-safe-harbor-deadline-is-a-critical-date-in-nightmare-election-scenarios

Now we have Georgia doing a recount. I think we have PA doing a recount (?) Hell, Alaska isn't even finished with the first count. All of this crap rhetoric that Trump is putting forth is probably part of a strategy to just get himself declared the winner, one way or another. He didn't put up that fence around the WH for nothing. If you can do something quietly, and not alarm the public, do it that way, but prepare for the public to realize what you are doing.

We have important deadlines to meet, far beyond an attempt to take the Senate, although that is very important. The result of the election is not finished, no matter how much we want it to be over. G-d forbid that we should wake up one morning and discover that Trump has engineered a return to power.

I know that there are those who want the doom and gloom to cease. I think they are premature. We are not done yet. We just aren't. We CAN get a rest pause here, but we are about to start yet another race.

As crazy as Trump seems, he is strategizing on how to declare himself the winner, and he is implementing it. Will he fail? It's no longer that simple, not like when we have elected Presidents before.

I'm no expert, not by a long shot, but there are those who are, and, despite our long, arduous fight to GTVO for Joe and Kamala, they are saying that it is possible that Trump isn't done yet. We need to keep watching and be aware of what is going on. Don't check out just yet. Wait. Be cool, but wait.

[soothsayer]

1. Georgia will recount cuz it's super close. PA still counting

I don’t think there’s danger at the moment.

[Nevilledog]

13. There has to be a request..... Which we know there will be.

[BKDem]

2. I reluctantly agree.

[bdamomma]

3. The

Supreme Court will they bail his ass out, that's what he thinks.

He wants someone to save him namely Coney Barrett (Aunt Lydia), and I hope no one does. Or there will be civil disobedience.

[getagrip_already]

14. There is no challenge right now for the supreme court to do that....

The only thing they have before them is the counting of ballots that were postmarked by election day and returned days later.

The ballots that would be affected by that have not been counted and wouldn't move the needle.

So unless they raise a challenge to throw out all votes not counted on the third, or throw out all mail in ballots everywhere, it's all window dressing.

And those last questions are laughable. Even the gop hasn't tried to argue that.

Their complaints about access to counting and transparency are laughable. It won't go anywhere.

[wiggs]

4. I'm personally surprised that operatives didn't purposely poison the

process by stuffing drop boxes, spoiling ballots and submitting, etc just to be able to show that the process is tainted.

Just like gop operatives do during peaceful progressive protests...it's the disrupters who, as often as not, are the first ones to throw the water bottle or break a window...not the protestors.

I have no reports or evidence, it's just based on WHAT KIND OF BS THEY ARE CAPABLE OF

[Hoyt]

5. It's over. Recounts are part of the process and we should support them. In fact, recounts

were part of the 2016 election, although they were not requested by the Clinton campaign.

Let him keep hope and stay occupied the next few months. He'll still be leaving office a loser, and a sore loser at that.

[EndlessWire]

12. Well, I hope you are right.

The problem is we have never had someone like Trump in office before. We can't base our expectations on what has not been tested.

In fact, in Bush v. Gore, when the state could not complete the recount on time, the SC stopped the recount and gave the election to Bush. Trump has said repeatedly that the issues that he has manufactured would end up in the SC, and that it would be a big case. He is planning on ending up in front of the Court that he has built to benefit himself.

So, the Safe Harbor date is Dec. 8th, the date that the Electors need to be ready and in place in order to vote on, what, Dec. 12th? What if something happens to interrupt the recounts? We have a precedent where the SC DID stop the recount because they said they would disenfranchise voters if they did not stop it. (Interestingly, RBG was one who dissented.)

All I'm saying is, stay one step ahead of Trump and don't be surprised emotionally if something weird like this happens. It is NOT the public voting that elects the Pres; it is the damned EC, and whoever controls the EC Electors, wins. Usually, the vote indicates the way the Electors should vote...but nothing about this is normal.

[dewsgirl]

6. Agreed 100 percent. It feels good, but he isn't just going

to roll over, no matter how much we want/need it. I don't want doom and gloom, but I know he will never concede and will do whatever he possibly can, rather than face being a loser, dealing with the criminal consequences of all he has done.

[stillcool]

7. good reminder...as much as I hate

to be reminded. They've known all along they were going to lose this. Now we see who is who. Truth will out.

[Midnightwalk]

8. Not over until Jan 20 but enjoy today

Pay attention, stay active, be ready to fight.

But I’m happy today.

[robbob]

9. Is it true the orange ass is staging another "rally"?

If so, watch closely. He is trying to start another civil war.

[Arthur_Frain]

10. Already reports of one elector who has avowed he won't vote for Biden.

That’s next, shithead whining daily how the electoral voters need to save America. Weeks of that crap I’m going to have to put up with.

[getagrip_already]

18. whats the going rate to bribe an elector these days?

Hopefully at 30 +/- spare EC votes, it won't matter. Now if it were 270 to 268, that would be scary.

[Arthur_Frain]

20. Well I suppose that depends on what kind of dirt you've already got on them.

You know, Russian money, adultery, abortions provided for babysitters, etc. But I’m sure you’re right and it’s a sliding scale depending on how far behind you are too.

[getagrip_already]

21. what I don't get is why the dem state parties don't vette them better.....

We lost a few to trump even. This is ridiculous. Why choose an elector you can't trust? Two elections in a row?

[Celerity]

26. It is very unlikely, but a 270 Biden win turned into a 269-269 tie via a faithless

elector is the ultimate nightmare, as that basically forces Pelosi to invoke Article 1, Section 5 powers (she can temporarily refuse to seat enough Rethugs on Jan 3rd and thus give us temp control of at least 26 state delegations, which we use to elect Biden when the House votes for POTUS) to block the Rethugs (as they DO have the 26 state delegations needed to elect Trump). That move, whilst fully constitutional and at that point a must do, will also lead likely to violent, hopefully limited civil war attempts.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. This is his pattern. If can't win clean, he'll win dirty.

[helpisontheway]

15. Media is helping him make it all chaotic..MSNBC

Reporter talking about oh it’s so confusing. They are confused because never had this volume of mail. So many people in line. Too many ballots can’t call it in Arizona. Then claim Trump can catch up in Nevada even that Ralston said it was over. If they don’t trust him then they should not have him on the show. Then Biden winning PA 75-92% and the same pattern all night long and all day today. Red or blue county..did not matter. Yet they claim it is so,so close that they can’t call it. So pissed now. Trump just wants to control the message. He does not want Biden to seem inevitable.

[ecstatic]

16. Yeah. I'm not comfortable with the recounts. I don't trust the machines,

and putin can easily change the numbers. At this point, I would like a Georgia win, but if they cheat and reclaim it then fine, whatever.

But I really hope PA is not doing a recount.

[Happy Hoosier]

17. PA may be out of recount territory fairly soonish. NT

[octoberlib]

19. There's nothing wrong with recounts. They can recount all they want. Won't change a thing.

[getagrip_already]

22. yeah, recounts almost never swing totals by more than a hundred or so votes......

It's not like the days of hanging chads. People from both parties look at any ballots that don't go through the scanners cleanly. They are pre-agreed upon or kicked into a pile for further review.

For electronic systems, there is nothing to recount. You just re-read the same usb sticks you read the first time.

Not much changes. At this stage, the envelopes have been separated from the ballots so you can't even challenge signatures.

IT's just a delaying tactic. And a costly one when paper is involved.

[EndlessWire]

24. Of course

But, the point is not to change the totals, but to delay to the point where they can't meet the Safe Harbor date, and hope his SC will favor him.

But, he is far behind and probably can't come up with 270. But, not sure if Joe can make the total either without the certified counts.

[AmericanCanuck]

23. Some people just need to worry about something

PA, MI, WI and NV have Democratic governors and they will prevent all mischief.

GA and AZ governors could potentially try but if they delay, Biden wins a majority anyway. He will then need 14 less electors because the law says a majority of the electors appointed (not total number of potential electors.)

So chill out. Biden is the new POTUS and there is nothing Trump can do. I'd be more worried about him nuking Iran or something than corrupting the election.

[EndlessWire]

25. Not necessarily.

Republican legislatures can control selection of Electors.

I appreciate your concern over my state of mind. Sometimes, it pays to be vigilant. I'll keep my head up so you can keep your head down. Enjoy!

[AmericanCanuck]

27. The legislature thing has been debunked already.

I am vigilant too but I don't worry about the improbable and the impossible.

[EndlessWire]

28. Really? n/t

[AmericanCanuck]

29. Here

https://www.lawfareblog.com/state-legislatures-cant-ignore-popular-vote-appointing-electors

[EndlessWire]

31. I can't get your link to open.

No matter, I can guess what it says, having researched this issue last year.

It's a two-part process. First, the legislature has to pass a law changing whatever current law they have in place. Then, they simply appoint a red slate.

[AmericanCanuck]

33. MI, PA and WI have Democratic governors

They will veto any changes to the law.

It won't matter what AZ and GA do.

[EndlessWire]

37. Here's a link for you

https://ballotpedia.org/Veto_overrides_in_state_legislatures

I didn't analyze this, just including the info for you so you can see that you're not on point.

In particular:

"All 50 state legislatures and Congress have the ability to override executive vetoes. According to political scientist Robert Spitzer, "The right of Congress to have a final chance at vetoed bills was essential to the checks and balances system [the founders] created."[21] At the state legislative level, the veto override power works the same way."

So, I don't know about the timing, the sessions, etc., but if they want to pass legislation, they can overcome the veto.

[AmericanCanuck]

38. They don't have the votes to override the veto. They have skinny majorities.

[Tarc]

30. "he is strategizing on how to declare himself the winner". No, he really isn't

We need to stop subscribing to the "very stable genius" narrative.

He is a narcissistic, temperamental megalomaniac, fueled by conspiracies and egged on my bootlickers. He's certainly dangerous, but there is no higher -level Wizard Chess player hiding in the shadows, as his followers believe.

[EndlessWire]

35. So was Hitler.

I don't subscribe to the "stable genius" posit. But, he isn't sitting up there alone. He just hired a new guy, too. And, I do believe that he isn't a moron like his sons appear to be. I think any cornered rat will commence to think about how to get out of the corner. Moreover, all those defecting Repubs will come right back to the ship if they think it will fly.

Here's a link to how it might work:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/world/what-if-neither-candidate-gets-270-votes-what-tie-between-donald-trump-and-joe-biden-2020-presidential-election-would-mean-3024946

I am not advocating this would happen. I am merely saying that he isn't done, and to not be disappointed or shocked if he comes up with something. And, it's not like he has to invent anything. He has many of the pieces of the puzzle, and if he were to succeed in stopping Joe from collecting the 270, look what would happen!

Just saying. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's celebration. But even if the lower courts all turn him down, he still can appeal to the SC. And, we set a precedent there through Bush v. Gore. In Bush v. Gore, Bush already had the majority of the 270, and a Gore victory in Florida would have taken that away. So, when Bush ended up with more than Gore, and the time was up, then that's when Bush won.

So, there's always that safety valve. I believe Joe has more. But, he doesn't have it all yet, and I believe that Trump plans on heaping everything, all the cases, at the feet of HIS SC.

That's all I'm saying.

[Meshuga]

34. Trump is done. He is just acting as expected

There is no way for Trump to get to 270. There is no basis for what he is claiming. He is just being Trump.

Biden is the next president. It is just going to be noisy until Inauguration Day and likely beyond. This whole noise is merely a stunt that works to promote Trump’s new network to his zombie followers.

[EndlessWire]

36. It has to do with the Safe Harbor date.

All the recounts have to be done by December 8th. They are not even done with the first count.

And, I believe that's why we are stuck with six states in limbo without a call. Very unusual. When The Turd c/o of the AZ call, they all stopped. Perhaps they also want to wait until it's a done deal, for fear he will pull all their licenses in the interim period while he still can.