Trump will resign before January 1st. He will have a pardon agreement in hand from Pence.

[Augiedog]

He will be on an airplane, not Air Force One, headed out over the Atlantic when he resigns. He will abandon, desert, abscond leaving America, his family and his (bankrupt) businesses in the proverbial wind.

This will happen only if we are lucky. Swawell’s presidential crimes commission can and will still go on. No matter where trump parks his fat butt he will wear out his welcome in extremely short order.

Once again it’s time to stock up on popcorn....cause ya just know this crazy crap ain’t over until the orange anus squeals.

[634-5789]

1. YEP!

He's gonna RUN.

[solara]

2. Made me spit out my coffee

"cause ya just know this crazy crap ain’t over until the orange anus squeals."

[Rorey]

3. To prevent that

Pence needs to be presented with all of the evidence against HIM (Pence) and let him know that nobody's going to pardon him if he pardons One-Term Donnie

[getagrip_already]

7. pence would likely only do it if he were pardoned first....

A prisoner exchange of sorts.

[Rorey]

10. I'd be fine with that

pence is going nowhere in politics after this. He wasn't liked prior to being VP, and he won't be liked after either.

[exboyfil]

21. I seriously would challenge that

all the way to the Supreme Court. Let those three put their names on that decision.

[getagrip_already]

33. there is an argument about not being able to pardon a co-conspirator...

If they were linked to the same crimes, it might be an avenue to challenge the pardons.

But there is disturbing precedent. I remember a case where a governor sold pardons. Literally. He was convicted for it, but the pardon was allowed to stand. Even with such corrupt intent on both sides, the pardon stood.

[exboyfil]

38. Stare decisis doesn't always stand

Some behaviors can be unanticipated by the Founding Fathers. If you were to ask them, can you engage in criminal activity and then pardon each other, they would answer no.

[getagrip_already]

42. I agree, but it is always a roll of the die with the current jackals....

They are not jurists after all. They are hacks chosen for political and religious views, not legal prowess - at least the most current batch.

[getagrip_already]

4. he is an enemy of the state and deserving of a visit from a cruise missile.....

Just like any terrorist leader out of our reach but working against us.

Run baby, and hide!

[Doodley]

5. Trump can't have a pardon if he isn't charged with anything.

[getagrip_already]

8. yes he can... nixon was never charged, but the pardon was still valid

lots of precedent for that. you just can't pardon future crimes, but past ones are fair game even if you haven't been charged.

[exboyfil]

40. Funny my high school Civics teacher

complained bitterly that it was unconstitutional. As you said the precedents are out there.

[PTWB]

12. That isn't true.

Some people think he can’t pardon himself - it is quite likely that he can.

[getagrip_already]

18. pardoning himself is untested, not untrue exactly.....

There has never been a case tested in any court where an executive has pardoned themselves. There is some body of law dating back to england (where our notion of pardons is based) that it wouldn't be legit. The same tradition in law prevents a potus from pardoning future crimes. But, there are other opinions.

In any event, scotus would likely have to weigh in. I don't think this is an issue they would break on politically - because it would set a precedent they may not like under a dem potus.

So, it would be new territory. And under a biden admiistration, the us advocate general would not argue for it. It creates an imperial monarchy.

[PTWB]

45. I think maybe I was a little ambiguous.

The poster said that Trump had to be charged with crimes before he could be pardoned with them, which is what I was saying was categorically untrue.

I agree with you about pardoning himself being untested. I was saying that it is likely he will be able to pardon himself based on a plain reading of the constitution - which is how most of the people he's packed onto the court are going to read it. We won't know for certain until it has been tested.

[yardwork]

6. Won't happen. Trump will pardon himself.

[In It to Win It]

9. That doesn't save him from the state of NY 😬

[SheltieLover]

14. This!👆

[CentralMass]

20. Yes but it probably saves him from prosecution from the litany of crimes that he as committed while.

in office.

[Budi]

27. AG Letitia James is ready & waiting

🙂

[PTWB]

11. He will not resign. He will pardon himself.

[ebbie15644]

23. Agree

[Autumn]

13. He can present that pardon to the judge in NY and that judge can laugh in his fat face.

[CentralMass]

15. I think you are right. Unless he is to stupid to take it.

[David__77]

16. I don't think so.

Abdicating power isn’t his thing. He may issue lots of pardons, sure.

[getagrip_already]

30. it will be interesting to see.....

Will his desire to get revenge against the dems be stronger than his interest in revenge against those toadies who didn't give him what he sees as sufficient support. Will he blame those around him for his loss and with hold pardons?

I think he might. It's his personality. If anything, he will be selling them. He never does anything for free.

But I think a bigger threat is that he could just empty prisons of skin heads, murderers, and white collar criminals as long as they are white supremacist's. That kind of extra special fu to america is right up his alley.

Fortunately his mind is too far gone to think it up himself. Though the stephen millers could get him to do it.

[David__77]

41. Well, he cannot pardon state crimes.

So there is that. He cannot for instance protect Kyle Rittenhouse from conviction. I imagine he will pardon him and others just the same.

[MaryMagdaline]

17. Agreed

[Budi]

19. Was Pence in the Covid meeting with Meadows & Gaetz?

Can he sign a pardon with a vent down his throat?

It could be a concern ya know?

[ebbie15644]

22. I think he will pardon himself

He will never trust Pence and I guarantee he doesn't like him

[malaise]

24. Hypothetical - What if Pence dies from Covid before he pardons the Con? n/t

[NoRoadUntravelled]

25. Whatever happens, we can all be certain there's some frantic scheming at the WH to

figure out how he's going to get himself out of the mess he's created.

[LAS14]

26. He hasn't been convicted of anything. Nothing to pardon (legally). He'll have to wait..

... until he's convicted umpty dozen times after he leaves office. I don't think Biden is going to do it.

[getagrip_already]

31. nope - he can still be pardoned just like nixon was

nixon was never charged. But he was pardoned which cut off any prosecution.

[LAS14]

32. Oooh!! Right!! Thanks. nt

[Budi]

34. Biden doesn't have to do anything. Except appt an AG 🙂

Can't wait to watch the chess moves from here on.

Unless he flees in the middle of the night, Trump will not be treated as anything but the criminal he is.

Fleeing the USA is his only option out of prosecution

[getagrip_already]

37. biden will have to use force on that appointment.....

Because the gop will never confirm a dem to the ag post. They will insist on a fair republican like matt gaetz.

Hopefully there are ways he can get around it that he is willing to take.

[Budi]

46. Willing to take? Joe Biden is as sickened at what's become of our country as we are

Pres Biden's no pushover. He's waiting for justice like the rest of us. Duty of Office will be honored because the job calls for it & Trump will be dealt with as the law allows

[getagrip_already]

47. I agree - but I dont think he will cross the line

into illegal or unconstitutional actions, which is what trump did.

He is not a whats good for the goose type of person. He will bend rules as far as he can, but I don't see him blatently ignoring the constitution or established law - especially if it ends up diminishing the senate.

That's all I meant. He will play hardball. You won't see a repeat of the early obama years where he negotiated with himself while the gop laughed.

[Budi]

55. Understood & agree that Joe would not cross any illegal lines.

I can't wait to find out his Cabinet & the teams he's already put in place to help undo the damage of Trump.

Enjoy your day! Today we celebrate.
A truly good day for America & the world.

[Maeve]

28. NY AG will laugh

[Me.]

35. Can He Be Pardoned For Indictments That Don't Yet Exist

or charges not filed...talking federal level here, not state.

[KatyMan]

50. Wasn't Nixon?

I thought he was pardoned for all crimes indicted or not?

[Me.]

53. Not Sure That It Was As Far Reaching As Everyone Assumes

It would be argued if it ever came to pass. And will he want that implied acceptance of guilt? I also wonder if the lump will pardon Barr before he's out of office.

“Ford granted to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, a full and unconditional pardon for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[1][2] In particular,

After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision that suggested that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

[DFW]

36. Even if there is no agreement, that is a plausible scenario

You just KNOW that Trump doesn't want to be up there on that podium seeing "Sleepy Joe" wider awake than Trump is when he takes the oath of office.

And if they don't do the traditional inaugural, and have it all done at the White House, it's pretty evident that Trump wants ANY excuse not to be there.

[getagrip_already]

39. you just know he is going to wave the crowd size around though......

Couldn't get more than 20 people to his inauguration! We had billions!

[DFW]

43. That is a given

"I had twice the population of China, and Biden's crowd was smaller than the population of Delaware"

[exboyfil]

44. Does a pardon wash dirty money?

I mean accessing laundered money after the pardon could still be considered a crime for example. It seems an ongoing criminal enterprise would have to be wrapped up prior to the pardon, or any action taken with that enterprise after the pardon would still be criminal.

[spanone]

48. can't pardon him from NYSD

[jeffreyi]

49. Whoa. That mental image did me in. Well said, though.

[KatyMan]

51. What would be in it for Pence?

His political career is bound to already be in tatters, would he want a pardon hung around his neck?

[MineralMan]

54. Pence would be in the history books as the 46th POTUS.

That would be enough for him, I believe. He is a simple man.

[Gothmog]

52. There are still New York State charges that are likely

A federal pardon will not help trump