The Democratic Party needs to look into the software of the voting machines

[UCmeNdc]

They need to hire experts and really examine the possibilities of flipping the electronic vote counts. Can computers be used to commit fraud in elections at the state counting level?

Something is wrong and the Democratic Party needs to investigate it.

Try an election with paper ballots again. See if polling works again all of a sudden. So what if it costs more. It is better to have fair elections than hidden vote counting mechanics that we have now.

If the GOP puts up a big fight about it you know they are cheating.

[orwell]

1. They can't do anything without the Senate...

...with the Senate the doors begin to open for voting rights.

[UCmeNdc]

3. The Democratic Party as a group need to start pushing for answers.

Do it in the media after the Biden inauguration in Jan 21.

[orwell]

17. I agree...

...but you can start right now with framing and message discipline.

This needs to happen on digital platforms as well as conventional media.

Voting rights have to be linked to patriotism, freedom, and constitutional rights.

Voter suppression has to equal treason and dictatorship.

As Humpty Trumpy taught us, the 2022 campaign starts now...

[33taw]

2. Always vote using paper ballots.

[UCmeNdc]

9. It has to be done all across the country.

Right now vote counting is a mystery. GOP numbers just seem to appear magically and everyone says oh, the black men voted for Trump, oh, the white women voted for Trump, oh, the latinos voted for Trump, but no one can see if the software was flipping black men, white women, and latino votes after the fact. There is no hard paper evidence. Just polling that does not line up with the vote count.

That seems like a fraud is going on to me.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

4. Software doesn't matter -- electronic voting eliminates the possibility of verifying an election.

"Verify" means a different thing to CS people than it does to elections.

People can perceive physical tokens -- paper ballots.

People cannot perceive abstract, invisible, electronic representations of ballots within electronic devices.

[brush]

13. Proprietary software to electronic machines matters when...

access to the software is only in the hands of republican election officials. Votes can easily be switched on some machines.

We need to do paper ballots only. It's no coincidence that mail-in ballots, all paper, came in heavy for Dems. They have to be hand counted and the tally can't be manipulated by software after the fact.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

22. "We need to do paper ballots only." Exactly.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. They needed us to believe exit polls after the Kerry Ohio situation dont work

and now they need us to believe polls period dont work.

I think most of what happened this time was suppression and obstruction (USPS included), not tinkering with the vote itself but I believed 2016 had to be tinkering with the vote itself because I REFUSED to believe that many of us could vote for it.

But maybe I was wrong, maybe they did.

But this time, 10-12% ahead and you win by 4% or less? MASSIVE obstruction somewhere.

[Statistical]

6. Even better get rid of them. Paper ballots work, they are cheap, they don't break.

You can use them for mail in, drop off, early voting, and voting on election day.

You can have ballot marking devices for those with disability that still produces a 100% paper ballot which goes in the pile with all the other paper ballots.

Everything else is just a solution in search of a problem.

[NotAPuppet]

7. I don't understand why

we can’t just all have paper ballots that get scanned? Why is it so difficult to implement the same process for all States IF they are really interested in a safe voting process?

[ret5hd]

12. The scanners are computerized...

without a truly randomized selection of a reasonable number of precincts (0.5% is a number I have seen before) around the country to be FULLY audited (hand recount, etc) we would still be susceptible.

I agree with what you are saying, but saying it doesn't go far enough.

[bullimiami]

8. paper is step 1 but the tabulation machines are still electronic.

1) every vote needs a physical paper trail
2) random audits need to be done to verify tabulations

[UCmeNdc]

10. But in the end you can do a hand recount of paper ballots to test the accuracy of the tabulation

machines.

[CentralMass]

11. I agree. Get rid of electronic voting machines. If I lived

in a state that used them I would request an absentee ballot.

[UCmeNdc]

14. Worry about why is Nancy Pelosi losing seats is not the right question.

Asking why is polling so off since electronic voting machines have become the norm is the real question.

Something is wrong.

Somebody has learned how to game the system and hide the fraud. Ask Nancy Pelosi to find the Fraud in electronic vote counts.

[pwb]

15. I agree. Send some lawyers into red states.

Look for the red state steal every year. McConnell has 32% approval and gets re elected? Rand fucking Paul? come on.

[uponit7771]

16. K&R, the same people saying there's NOTHING wrong with the voting machines are the same ones saying

... that the polling in the US is ok when no where on earth are developed countries getting polling this wrong for this long skewed towards one party.

No, somethings wrong PERIOD

[UCmeNdc]

18. Agree 100%

The Democratic Party is about to go to war among themselves over not winning more seats instead of looking logically at the problem. Why are voting totals off and so skewed in the Republicans favor at just the right locations for them to win consistently.

Even when they lose they have won it was just lucky so many more Democratic voters voted that their estimate about how many vote to flip was too low.

Wake up and demand investigations.

Demand paper ballots everywhere within the United States with verifiable paper trails. Watch the GOP scream Nooooo!

[uponit7771]

23. "at just the right locations" 👈🏽THIS!! I thought I was the only one who noticed that all the state

... legislatures were lost and the kGOP gets to gerrymander again this year.

The kGOP doesn't care about losing everything they care about staying in enough control to influence what's coming.

Its getting harder and harder so the cheating has to be more overt, I bet if we calculate since 00 the number of down ballot votes with low aggregated MOE favoring dems ended up going rep would be in the 70 - 90%

This goes outside of the "shy" Trump voter shit, no ... there's some funny business going on.

Watch the GOP scream Nooooo!

... and after the aforementioned is proven and the kGOP screams no then we know the fix is in.

We should at MINIMUM doing official sampling at 1% federal level ... this is crazy

[TheRealNorth]

19. I worry more about they type of shit that was going on in NC in 2018.

Republican operatives in the rural counties filling out ballots for people.

[UCmeNdc]

20. Well that is easier to catch and on a smaller scale than massive electronic vote flipping

which has no method or way to check if it is occurring within the voting system.

[stillcool]

21. not really...

Each state runs it's own elections and if people in a particular state vote for Republican rule, that's what they get. It isn't "Democrats" that choose state governments. It is interesting to see the few states that still use unverified computerized voting. There aren't that many.
Here's a map that shows the different types of voting systems used in each state, and different counties in those states that have different systems.
https://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/#mode/navigate/map/ppEquip/mapType/normal/year/2020

The fact that so many states have gotten away from computerized voting has led to the need for massive voter suppression. That needs to be addressed, but I'm not sure how. State legislations are who enacts these restrictions, so if people aren't voted out, they keep doing what they do. It isn't the few that make change, it's the many.

[hunter]

24. Hand marked paper ballots are the only way to go.

Nothing else is trustworthy.

[Amaryllis]

25. SEnator Wyden has been on this for years. ES &S installs remote software in thier voting machines.

Go to VErified Voting.org and get on their emial list. THey've been working on this for 20 years. Was hard to get enough people interested but i think we have finally reached a tipping point.

[Klaralven]

26. Security of Electronic Voting in the US

https://www.osti.gov/servlets/purl/1401977

This describes the state as of 2016 and provides a lot of information about work up to that time. Security researchers such as Ed Felton at Princeton, Alex Halderman at Michigan, Avi Rubin at Johns Hopkins, Ron Rivest at MIT, and Bruce Schneier have published work on election security.

Since these problems are fairly well understood, it appears that politicians don't actually want election security. Or, like in other areas, they want some security, but not too much.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

27. Is good. Machines fixed.

Now you have glass of best Russian wodka.

V. Putin