Rep. James Clyburn on @MeetThePress: "Defund the police" cost Democrats in House and Senate races.

[George II]

Link to tweet

[bullimiami]

1. defund the police was primarily pushed as a negative meme by the other side. who ran on it?

nobody. just like scary socialism.

stop blaming the victims. you should know better.

[getagrip_already]

4. actually it was a phrase used quite often by certain dems.....

They are our own radical fringe.

[bullimiami]

8. it was not used by those that were running yet they were supposed to run against it?

[getagrip_already]

10. It was said many times by the squad..

See post 7 below.

[Budi]

22. It was promoted on Nina Turner's social media, & her Red Rose followers ....

as well as Sirota, & Brianha JGrey & the meme was pushed relentlessly.
You could not argue a point of sensibility with them.

Defund the police was indeed an extremist & divisive meme pushed by the same group that runs opposite to everything unifying & reasonable.

It was a stupid thing to do.

[lapucelle]

11. A0C ran on it.

It hurt us in congressional and state assembly races here in NY.

No one is blaming the Democrats who lost their races because they got saddled with a narrative that Republicans seized upon to define our party.

https://www.ocasiocortez.com/issues

[FoxNewsSucks]

24. The word "defund" is used on AOC's website,

but it is after clicking through a few pages. It's also after a clear explanation of the support for diverting some of the police budget to people-issues.

She really should change the term there, and go with "de-militarize". Because that's the actual problem with most police departments.

[lapucelle]

31. A0C made herself quite clear to the media. A $1,000,000,000 cut in NYC was not enough.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said New York City’s proposed $1 billion cut from the police department budget tiptoes around demands from activists who are asking for a reduced police presence.

Though the plan proposed by New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) cuts one-sixth of the New York Police Department (NYPD) budget, activists note that much of it would be transferred to other city departments, including the Department of Education, where it could pay for police in schools. Activists have advocated for removing officers from schools altogether.

“Defunding police means defunding police,” the congresswoman said in a statement. “It does not mean budget tricks or funny math. It does not mean moving school police officers from the NYPD budget to the Department of Education’s budget so the exact same police remain in schools.”

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Ocasio-Cortez said that cutting the police budget is not effective if it does not result in the reduced presence of law enforcement.

“It does not mean counting overtime cuts as cuts, even as NYPD ignores every attempt by City Council to curb overtime spending and overspends on overtime anyways,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “If these reports are accurate, then these proposed ‘cuts’ to the NYPD budget are a disingenuous illusion. This is not a victory. The fight to defund policing continues.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505307-ocasio-cortez-dismisses-proposed-1b-cut-defunding-police-means-defunding

[Budi]

25. Yes she did. And her vapid social media divisionaries like Nina Turner were right there with her.

We're lucky we didn't lose more seats because of their screeches of revoluuuushion

Their entire schtick is division of the Democratic moderate center.

This actually falls in line with the ideology of Cenk, Sirota & those who orginated the JD's.

I have no idea wtf they really want anymore.
Except to divide the Dem Party.
And what they propose in its place is a weakening of our Democratic Republic.

Ask the Republucan Party how well the Tea Party turned out for them. 3rd party extremism is the unbalancing of a government. So Gtfoh

A Moderate Center is the only way to govern a fair & just society.

Defund the police was a stupid social media meme, meant to divide & harm.

[getagrip_already]

2. no shit sherlock (not aimed at clyburn)...

But at certain first term reps who stoked this bs.

It was about the dumbest phrase you could use. Even people who hate police abuse gnerally like police when they do a good job.

[msongs]

3. effective repub marketing, repeat over and over til people believe it nt

[The Wielding Truth]

26. YEP. It really made no sense. The idea I think was to change the police and not defund.

[msongs]

30. I think the phrase was NOT from dems, it was from event organizers nt

[Raven123]

5. Dems need a 24x7 messaging war room

They need to monitor all information traffic that misinforms, inflames or uses language that can be misinterpreted. They need a rapid response team to counter ASAP.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. I think he's right.

nt.

[Owl]

16. I agree as well.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. Words matter. Messaging matters. Even if it's bullshit from the RePutinicans

we have to respond better and win the war of words.

[Chicago1980]

12. There is an art to wording and phrasing.

Truth be told, when people say "Defund the Police", a significant portion of the population get scared real fast and Republicans play off that fear.

It's about wording and democrats are bad at it...

[Pisces]

13. The Democrats need better spin doctors to help with wording!!! Perception is reality. Why did we

Allow these 3 words to define the movement and put us on offense on explaining the meeting. If you need to explain you are losing!!!!

[Budi]

27. Because it was rapid-shoved out on social media with the intent to divide & harm.

And it did just that.

[Indykatie]

14. I Knew The Defund the Police Cry Would Cost Us

The far left needs to consider how their messaging and choice of words impact the Dem party. Republicans latched on to it and used it to their advantage. The Media loves drama so they amplified the cry despite Biden's clear response that he didn't respond.

[Spazito]

15. I think he's right...

I don't know how many people I had to explain to that the intent was to reform the police via reallocations of funding and not defunding them and these people were on the left not the right.

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. It is a much used ploy of the reicht. None of our politicians wants to "Defund The Police"

and yet, they used it against us in almost every ad. They LIE, LIE, and LIE and they still lose. FUCK UM.

[SharonClark]

18. I believe it.

[Baked Potato]

19. That phrase needs to be banished from all discussions.

Last edited Mon Nov 9, 2020, 12:31 AM - Edit history (1)

It plays directly to Trump-Republican propaganda.

Edit: I don’t mean discussions here. I mean by our politicians.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

20. Agreed.

It was like Hillary calling Trump supporters "deplorables." I understand "defund the police" to mean "reallocate a portion of public resources from enforcement to prevention." That's too subtle a concept to turn into a chant, however, so we're handing the Repugs a weapon to use against us.

[lapucelle]

32. Do you have any links for your assertions about Max Rose?

https://www.silive.com/news/2019/12/max-rose-to-vote-yes-on-trump-impeachment-citing-country-i-bled-to-protect.html

[lapucelle]

35. Please don't tell me what I do and don't know. I haven't been on DU much the past few months.

There is a pandemic and its concomitant complexities to deal with, and there was an election to win.

I've never heard of the Shorefront News, but one thing seems clear: they certainly wanted to Rose vote against impeachment, but he was too "weak" to act in his own self interest! He is in the clutches of Speaker Pelosi!

Rose was one of the last Democratic holdouts during impeachment, going so far as to pen an op-ed in opposition to it. Yet, he proved not strong enough to stand up to his party leadership even when it was obviously against his interest to impeach the President.

Had Rose taken a stance and voted against impeachment, he would’ve been a shoe-in today. He didn’t, choosing instead to go on MSNBC to attack the President’s “very clear obstruction” and now despite being an incumbent, he finds himself in the position of an underdog trying to claw back.

snip================================================================

But while speaking out in favor of the President on the campaign trail [by trolling Trump's twitter to remind him of what Malliotakis said about him in the past], on issues that matter, such as the recent Supreme Court nomination, Rose continued do whatever Nancy Pelosi says.

The full stories at the embedded links are worth reading for context and a fuller understanding of Rose's record, challenges. as well as for some insight into the journalistic integrity of a source that spins a Republican narrative out of decontextualized whole cloth.

[lapucelle]

37. Shorefront News is the hobby horse "news" site of a former Tea Party Republican assemblyman.

The Man Behind the Mysterious ‘News’ Website Revealed
SHEEPSHEAD BAY — A mysterious website that sprang up a few weeks ago “reporting” on Southern Brooklyn belongs to former State Sen. David Storobin, Bklyner has learned.

snip=============================================================================================

The site features a mix of community and politics stories, like the one that read “sources” revealed former City Councilman Mike Nelson is running for the 48th council seat.

He’s not running, according to Nelson.

There are no bylines. When asked why the site doesn’t name their reporters, Storobin responded, “No reason.”

snip========================================================================================

Storobin, a Republican, was elected state senator after ex-lawmaker Carl Kruger resigned behind bribery charges. The longtime Brooklynite by way of Russia and then Dallas defeated Lewis Fidler by 16 votes in a close 2012 race. After serving in session for 11 days, Storobin was fazed out of his seat because of redistricting. He late made two unsuccessful bids against State Sen. Felder and another against City Councilman Chaim Deutsch.

snip============================================================================================

I’m not a professional journalist, I’m like a guy with an opinion,” he said.

https://bklyner.com/the-man-behind-the-mysterious-news-website-revealed/

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[lapucelle]

39. Trolling Trump on Twitter to tell him that the Republican he just endorsed

is always bad-mouthing him doesn't count as slamming his opponent for hating President Trump.

Using a Tea Party Republican's website and then pivoting to decontextualized, highly misleading Republican attack ads in an effort to tar a sitting Democrat is troubling at best.

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“Party and politics will never come before the country I bled to protect—and would unquestionably do so again,” said Rose.

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President Obama understood the unique challenges that district holds for Democrats. That's why he endorsed Max Rose.



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Link to tweet

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I'm glad I asked for a source. It was revealing on many levels.

[lapucelle]

41. The original source was a blog post written by a Tea Party Republican pretending to be a news site,

and his quotes where misleading and decontextualized. It is not I who embraced Republican framing in an attempt to tar a Democrat.

I didn't want the Trump-endorsed candidate to win that congressional seat. I was rooting for the Obama-endorsed Democratic incumbent, Max Rose.

Sorry if the type of Democrat who can win in that district wasn't pure enough. Now we'll have a Republican

[lapucelle]

47. According to the anti-Rose Tea Party talking points that were posted

and then deleted, all Max Rose had to do to win re-election was to vote against impeachment and keep his mouth shut about Amy Coney Barrett. Democrat Max Rose did neither.

Max Rose did let his constituents know that he stood with Trump when he announced that an Iranian terrorist had been killed and when he signed a proclamation condemning antisemitism on college campuses.

The stands against terrorism, antisemitism, and Amy Coney Barrett and in favor of impeachment were all instances where Rose put principle above personal ambition and or purely partisan gamesmanship. Wanting to distance himself from democraticsocialists and distinguish himself as a Democrat who listens to and respects his constituents is not "running a terrible campaign".

When "analysis" includes Tea Party sources that misrepresent or ignore the context and totality of statements or a record, the conclusions are bound to be dubious, however often partial "facts" are repeated or from whatever source they are being lifted and decontextualized. Adopting and amplifying the extreme right wing framing of any Democrat's record is a Republican game.

Caveat lector.

[George II]

46. Max Rose outperformed Joe Biden in the 11th District and his opponent underperformed trump.

[FoxNewsSucks]

23. I don't watch Chuck Toad's show,

did Clyburn make it clear that the phrase "defund the police" is a rightwing thing and that democrats do NOT want to eliminate police departments? Despite the lie the right keeps pushing?

[TwilightZone]

34. Someone might want to tell AOC.

Though, after her initial support (noted in this thread), she seems to be running from it now that it's proven to be a political liability.

Smart move, that.

[BainsBane]

44. It's not a rightwing thing

Leftists use it all the time. It's bad messaging.

[Hyper_Eye]

28. People take things at face value.

If you have to explain a slogan it's a bad slogan. That's especially true if you have to explain why it doesn't mean what the words imply. I hated it from the first time I saw it.

[betsuni]

29. K&R

[BainsBane]

43. It's the slogan he objects to

not reforms.

[George II]

45. Exactly. The slogan gives the wrong impression in most cases, but unfortunately there are some....

....who really do mean defund the police, i.e. disband them altogether.

[triron]

48. Clyburn should shut the fuck up. He is not doing us any good.

[George II]

49. Are you serious?

[Demsrule86]

51. You have to face the truth. This is not a progressive country. And we are years away from having

one. We are center left Demographics won't save us; we need a 50 state strategy in order to win Senate seats,house seats, local government and of course the presidency.

[StarfishSaver]

52. Seriously?

[honest.abe]

53. WTF. Clyburn is a national treasure on our side.

I think your comment should be in reverse.