Let's be blunt about what's going on in this election...and what isn't

[brooklynite]

The number of conspiracy theory posts is getting ridiculous.

Let's review:

The Justice Department didn't indict Joe (or Hunter) Biden
Voting machines didn't steal the election for Trump.
US Marshalls didn't impound Ballot Boxes.
Bill Barr isn't arresting election clerks.
The Courts aren't overturning the election results.
State Legislatures aren't preparing to appoint new Electors.
Democratic Electors aren't being bribed or blackmailed.

Sometimes you just need to accept victory.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

1. How condescending

[brooklynite]

3. Every one of those items is something people here have claimed Trump and Co. would do...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Hard to imagine. You're saying that DU members have independently

asserted those things to be likely true?

[brooklynite]

19. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287299651

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214443974

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100214297343

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214498150

[SCantiGOP]

27. I agree with you

Got to vote on one in a jury this evening.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Didn't read every single word but from didn't see much of those

Outlandish things you mention, but say it's true...

Anyone who would look the other way and hide vital health information from the public - that the virus was airborne and deadly, to me is capable of absolutely any evil possible.

[TwilightZone]

14. Nah, it's spot on.

The stuff people have been coming up with is completely nuts.

Trump's going to nuke North Korea.
Trump is bribing or blackmailing more than three dozen Democratic electors.
He's organizing a military coup.
The SC is going to invalidate the entire election and hand Trump the presidency.

The election is decided and Biden is President-Elect. We should think about acting like it instead of looking like the Trump of the left.

[greenjar_01]

15. It only has one speed

[elleng]

2. Yes, accept victory AND

SPEAK accordingly, NOT threatening or bullying; give 'them' reasons to appreciate President-Elect Biden.

[TrogL]

4. So what's stopping Faithless Electors?

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws

[brooklynite]

6. So you're saying that the Biden campaign wasn't able to select reliable Electors?

[TrogL]

32. Canada here

I know, what part of "select Electors" don't you understand? I thought they were appointed by the Governor or some damn thing.

I'm reminded of the old Groucho Marx (?) story.

GM: Would you sleep with me for $1 million?
Woman: OOOO I'd do anything for $1 million!
GM: OK, how about $100?
Woman: Are you kidding? What do you think I am?
GM: I know what you are, we're negotiating the price.

[TwilightZone]

9. Three dozen of them?

Sure.

There haven't been more than 10 since 1896 and that was only because one party ran multiple candidates.

[Hoyt]

5. Gotta agree. It is funny to see both sides claiming CT. We won and don't need

a bunch of CT concerns.

[marylandblue]

7. Yes, but you still have not proven that Trump is not a flesh eating lizard alien.

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In fact the evidence quite clearly says he is, and if he converts back to his original form, he will live in the White House walls for the next four years and eat the guests in the Lincoln Bedroom.

[Mariana]

25. Frankly, that's more believable

than much of the nutty stuff some people seem to be worrying over.

[Turin_C3PO]

8. There definitely has been a lot of paranoia

around here. I think it’s because Trump regularly shatters norms and guard rails so people, in their minds, have assigned Trump with more cunning and power than he really has.

[Sogo]

18. Bingo.

Yes, it's exactly the reason a child throws a tantrum - to exert power. The parent either gives into it, thus giving the child the understanding it has more cunning and power than it has and thus surrenders the upper hand, or the parent ignores it and lets the fire die out. I suspect Trump's mother always gave in....

[TwilightZone]

10. Agreed.

This place has lost its freaking mind. Well, parts of it anyway.

[njhoneybadger]

11. Yeah but we are in the middle of a civil war

[NoRoadUntravelled]

12. About Trump Campaign plans re: Electors

Snip-
"Every state has allowed its voters to make the call in every election since the late 1800s. But in 2000, the Supreme Court held in Bush v. Gore that the states "can take back the power to appoint electors."

According to a Sept. 23 article in The Atlantic, campaign advisers to Trump, in conjunction with Republican state leaders, are preparing to test this theory. Sources in the Republican Party, at both state and national levels, say that the campaign is considering a plan to "bypass" the popular vote results and install its own electors in key battleground states where the legislatures are controlled by Republicans."

Snip-
"After the national election, the plan goes, the Trump campaign would cry foul about rampant fraud and demand that state legislators ignore the ballot tabulations and choose their electors directly. If the campaign can sustain doubt or confusion about the ballot count, legislators will feel more and more pressure to take up the responsibility before the Dec. 8 deadline when electors' names are sent to Congress for verification.

The Atlantic reported that a Trump campaign legal adviser said this effort would be framed as protecting the will of the people."

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/06/trump-campaign-discussing-plans-to-appoint-its-own-state-electors-no-matter-the-results-report/

[TwilightZone]

17. When did we start believing Trump?

When we won?

The Atlantic article was always fantasy. It's even more of a fantasy now that Trump would likely need to switch more than three dozen electors. There haven't been more than 10 since 1896 and that was only because one party ran multiple candidates.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

20. I don't believe Trump but I do believe he and his campaign will stop at nothing to stay in power.

I hope that when all is said and done and they've tried and failed in their efforts to win they'll just "magically disappear" like a nightmare at dawn.

[TwilightZone]

22. He's not going to turn three dozen electors.

Unless one buys in to the "he's bribing or blackmailing" bullshit that's floating around, it's simply not going to happen.

I have no idea why so many people buy into this garbage.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

24. According to the article it's not about turning electors.

It's about eroding confidence in the election and the voting process to the point where Republican state legislatures, at the behest of their constituents, will then disregard the ballots cast and simply appoint new electors who would then cast their vote for Trump.

It sounds far fetched and impossible, I have no idea whether it's legal. But if anyone had told me in 2016 that our country would be in the condition it's now in or that the topic we're now discussing would ever come up just a few years later I would have laughed.

Apparently the Trump campaign is now planning more rallies not for re-election but to increase distrust of the voting process and the results of this election.

[stopdiggin]

28. "It sounds far fetched and impossible,"

"I have no idea whether it's legal .."

And yet you insist on trafficking it around -- on an OP that is aimed at putting to bed nutso fringe element theories.

Even the Republican establishment is staring to fall in with "orderly transition of power." Why is it too much to ask that we do the same? Enough with the paranoia!

[Progressive dog]

16. I too have accepted victory.

Rudy held a press coference on the loading dock of a landscaper and no one came. The election is over and Joe Biden won.

[JI7]

21. ATTEMPTS ARE being made to do many of those things and then there was the USPS

The attempts failed but that doesn't mean he isn't trying .

[ucrdem]

23. This is no time for complacency.

Biden made it, apparently, but we weren't so fortunate in 2016, and won't be in 2022. The sad fact is that we can NEVER rest if we want to keep from going the way of Trump Plaza. And if we had properly addressed some of these problems 50 years ago we wouldn't be in the pickle we're in now. As it stands, Biden has one helluva mess to clean up in two short years because that's all the time he'll get.

[Jamaal510]

29. And that's assuming

we'd win back control of the Senate.

[Demsrule86]

36. Without the Senate it won't be cleaned up...let's be real. What we can do is run against the

do nothing Senate...want health care , vote them out in 2022, Middle class tax cuts, vote them out in 2022 ect. Joe can do some with EO's but consider we have an unfriendly courts at all levels so that may be limited.And for God's sake let's hope some don't expect all to be perfect 2022 as they did in 2010 and not show up for the midterms...show up God Damn it.

[msongs]

26. never underestimate the criminality of republicans - and their court loyalists nt

[uponit7771]

30. FACT: polling in other developed countries is not as wrong as in America

[ismnotwasm]

33. May I use this on other social media?

I want to troll my ex son in law. Just found out he started following on Instagram and we somehow follow each other. He is an absolute creep.

[brooklynite]

37. No problem

[Demsrule86]

34. Agree. I just don't bother with those sort of threads anymore...WE WON!