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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsoh dear gawd. Latest legal claim from trump team in PA. You're gonna LOVE this one!!
https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/montgomery-county-board-of-elections-vote-count/Response to republican petition:
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/DNC-Response-in-Opposition-filed.pdf
So the claim is the ballots are invalid because the voter didn't put the full return address on the OUTER mailer envelope?!?!
txwhitedove
(3,928 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,186 posts)if they dropped off the ballot? Besides, if the USPS delivers it to the right place, it's immaterial if it was written on the envelope as long as it got there on time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In GA it was not required. We earnestly wrote in our addresses, but strictly as an attempt to keep GA Republicans from somehow using it to "lose" them. And then, as we always planned, we delivered them to the registrar's box ourselves.
stopdiggin
(11,306 posts)instruction or legal requirement? A lot of folks getting hung up on whether something is "fair" or not. The issue is whether the action (or ballot) is "legal" or not. And there isn't a lot of legal remedy for people that made mistakes.
Bayard
(22,069 posts)Grasping at straws.
is right.
Joe's team was ready for this, correct?
Joe has lawyers.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)This bunch of incompetents has people claiming that the sky is falling. Go figure.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)Grabbing at straws.
In order to even be approved for a ballot, one has to submit their complete address. And the address is on the ballot itself, with ones name , if I remember correctly.
brush
(53,776 posts)All voters had to do was follow the instructions correctly.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)They want something they can get to scotus to throw out large swaths of votes.
They are just ignorant morons and have no cause the court will rule on..
SomedayKindaLove
(529 posts)If the ballot isnt in the security ballot, it is to be considered invalid. (The opening of two envelopes is one of the reasons the counting of mail in ballots is taking so long).
I assume the reasoning is, if the the ballot isnt sealed in the security envelope, someone could have tampered with the ballot in the mail. Basically a law designed to stop possible fraud in a potential handful of cases, that in turn can suppress up to 200,000 ballots.
Hopefully PA has not been including such ballots in their released totals, otherwise things could get ugly.
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SomedayKindaLove
(529 posts)Just misread the post
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)onenote
(42,701 posts)you know what they say about assuming things, right?
SomedayKindaLove
(529 posts)And piling on, as I already said I misread.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Then, no one can possibly reply to it.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)It was a business return mail envelope, and they don't usually have a space for a return address. There is no reason why such an envelope would be returned to sender, since the sender isn't paying the postage and the destination address is unambiguous.
My full address was on the flap of the inner security envelope, which is detached after it is processed so that the inner envelope then becomes anonymous.
Was the PA setup similar?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)in Illinois, in addition to signature. It wasnt a return address, just lines that had to be filled in. And how many years youd lived there. There was also a verification stipulation that you were turning in ballot yourself, unless making some allocation to another person, in which case some other steps were taken.
My spouse and I played it safe, and while illegally parked in front of the Board of Elections on a busy street, I jumped out to put my ballot in the box myself and ran back to the car to wait with the flashers blinking while he jumped out and self-deposited his own. It felt really stupid and unnecessary, but we were following the rules to the letter to be safe!
ON EDIT: I think the address was necessary for voter verification of ward and precinct.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)whistler162
(11,155 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Thav
(946 posts)I'd like to make a "Are you kidding me?" motion.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)Respondent claims that he may suffer irreparable harm if 592 ballots on which the voter did not affix his or her full return address are invalid.
To paraphrase the great Eric Cartman, "Donald, you're really, really reaching."
The court finds that the ballots were cast properly according to the law existing at the time they were cast. The respondent may wish he could unilaterally impose ex post facto additional restrictions on the electorate of a sovereign state, but that's not how this works. If the Trump campaign was allowed to add rules after the election, the Biden camp would be equally entitled to do so - and there's nothing to prevent the Democratic candidate from demanding that any ballot bearing a vote for the Republican candidate be invalidated.
There is actually one thing that would "prevent it." This court will not allow the Democrats to impose additional rules on the election after the voters have spoken. Nor will we allow the Republicans to do likewise.
Petition denied. The Court does not believe the defects in the respondent's filing can be cured; therefore, the Court takes great pride and pleasure in dismissing this case with prejudice.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)I just assumed every originating voting board printed their own address as the return.
Our outer envelopes had the County Board of Elections Vote center as both the Addressee and as the Return Address.
You don't have to put a return address on ANY piece of mail if you don't want to.