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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe lawsuits are to build the sense of grievance in Trump's base - the stab-in-the-back myth
But senior officials, campaign aides and allies told The Associated Press that overwhelming evidence of fraud isnt really the point.
The strategy to wage a legal fight against the votes tallied for Biden in Pennsylvania and other places is more to provide Trump with an off-ramp for a loss he cant quite grasp and less about changing the elections outcome, the officials said. They spoke to AP on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal strategy.
Trump aides and allies also acknowledged privately the legal fights would at best forestall the inevitable, and some had deep reservations about the presidents attempts to undermine faith in the vote. But they said Trump and a core group of loyalists were aiming to keep his base of supporters on his side even in defeat.
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Nothing that Ive seen regarding the election raises a legal issue that could succeed. There is just is nothing there, said Barry Richard, who represented George W. Bush in the 2000 recount in Florida that ended up before the U.S. Supreme Court. When these kind of lawsuits are filed it just breeds contempt for the whole legal system, he said.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/the-bogus-fraud-claims-are-all-about-giving-trump-an-off-ramp-officials-say
When Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, they made the legend an integral part of their official history of the 1920s, portraying the Weimar Republic as the work of the "November criminals" who stabbed the nation in the back to seize power while betraying it. The Nazi propaganda depicted Weimar as "a morass of corruption, degeneracy, national humiliation, ruthless persecution of the honest 'national opposition'fourteen years of rule by Jews, Marxists, and 'cultural Bolsheviks', who had at last been swept away by the National Socialist movement under Hitler and the victory of the 'national revolution' of 1933".
Historians inside and outside Germany unanimously reject the myth, pointing out the German army was out of reserves, was being overwhelmed by the entrance of the United States into the war, and by late 1918 had lost the war militarily.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)I know where I'd like it to go.
Walleye
(31,017 posts)This quote from Susan Collins? We are definitely getting stabbed in the back here. The Republican Party doesnt care about our democracy anymore. We went the whole Cold War not caving in to propaganda so we could keep faith in our country. POWs were tortured and still wouldnt say that our democracy was a corrupt failure. They refuse to be used as propaganda. Now the goddamn president is doing it
modrepub
(3,495 posts)The real purpose of Whitewater was to create the illusion of "smoke" over the Clintons. And where there's smoke... It was probably the best (Federal) money could buy for the Republican party. They've reaped decades of benefits from that little stink pot.
Same strategy with Hunter Biden and Ukraine. You don't need a slam dunk conviction, just the hint of scandal to muddy the waters a bit and keep your die hard supporters angry and focused.
GoCubsGo
(32,081 posts)Meanwhile, their guy is incapable of constructing a coherent sentences, and thinks injecting bleach and shoving a light up one's ass is a good idea.
JHB
(37,160 posts)Not just Whitewater either, but the whole string of horseshit "Clinton scandals" like the haircut, travelgate, etc.
They wanted to hobble and de-legitimize him, so they threw turdball after turdball at him and Hillary hoping some fleck would stick. When nothing did, they Pointed With Alarm to the great fogbank of steam rising off that small mountain of sloughed-off turds and worriedly intoned "Where there's smoke..."
And at every step RW media (radio, FOX, etc) repeated it, amplified it, and and indulged even wilder conspiracy theories, like the so-called "Clinton death count."
And they were successful, so that's become their standard operating procedure. All they've done since has been to strip it down even further so they can drag-race to crazy even faster.
The best way to delegitimize someone (and their opinion) is to accuse them of a crime or convict them of some petty offense. I'm convinced marijuana was trumped up in the 60s to delegitimize opposition to the Vietnam War. That's how they got John Lennon to back down by threatening to deport him for smoking weed. Same with BLM. They can't possibly have a legitimate grievance because they're criminals
bucolic_frolic
(43,150 posts)and it seems to me the election fraud lawsuits are pointing to attempts to prove systemic fraud because they are collecting hearsay of individual cases, but even if they can go to court and claim hypothetically 2.2% of voters were dead a long time ago, they still cannot prove causality because of the secret ballot. They can't link actual votes to individual voters. It is certainly possible that all of any fraud they uncover actually voted for Trump!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If he convinces them to appoint Republican electors, the Supreme Court wouldn't stop them
When the demonstrations begin on the streets Trump enacts the Insurrection Act and brings in Federal Troops to quell the riots. Thus the removal of Espy.
Celerity
(43,349 posts)raised again.
Novemberverbrecher (November Criminals ie. Dolchstoßlegende ie Stabbed in the back myth) inbound
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214479515
Stab-in-the-back myth
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth
When Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, they made the legend an integral part of their official history of the 1920s, portraying the Weimar Republic as the work of the "November criminals" who stabbed the nation in the back to seize power while betraying it. The Nazi propaganda depicted Weimar as "a morass of corruption, degeneracy, national humiliation, ruthless persecution of the honest 'national opposition'fourteen years of rule by Jews, Marxists, and 'cultural Bolsheviks', who had at last been swept away by the National Socialist movement under Hitler and the victory of the 'national revolution' of 1933".
Historians inside and outside Germany unanimously reject the myth, pointing out the German army was out of reserves, was being overwhelmed by the entrance of the United States into the war, and by late 1918 had lost the war militarily.
To many Germans, the expression "stab in the back" was evocative of Richard Wagner's 1876 opera Götterdämmerung, in which Hagen murders his enemy Siegfried the hero of the story with a spear in his back.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...since Vietnam, where we lost because of "the liberal media, hippies, and spineless politicians who capitulated to them" in their minds.
They've been weaponizing that grievance since the 70s.
Auggie
(31,169 posts)Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
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Lonestarblue
(9,986 posts)They do not have merit because they lack evidence. Cant judges fine someone who brings multiple frivolous lawsuits? If so, the fines need to be large, and the fact that the lawsuits are frivolous needs to be publicized. Trump should not be allowed to use these lawsuits solely to give him an excuse for losing. Our courts have better things to do, and the first judge to get one of these cases needs to slap him down hard. I wish it could be Emmet Sullivan!
Marcuse
(7,479 posts)gab13by13
(21,333 posts)here I thought the purpose was to overturn the election. Silly me.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)It is exceptionally obvious. That and hoping for a good roll of the dice that one of them might get beyond the first day of court or perhaps even to the stacked Supreme Court.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Instead of treading lightly in an effort not to upset or disturb the Trumpians, if we're already going to be condemned based on allusions and illusions, let's hit hard with our most progressive ideas, and let's investigate and prosecute these fuckers until the next Election Day.
randr
(12,412 posts)He is still using this as a reason to beg for more while paying off campaign debts with the proceeds. His greed is voracious.
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)Keith Olbermann and Scaramucci said the same thing today. It is all about bleeding the cult dry when the GOP/RNC is actually getting $ from true believers to donate when the real money goes to pay camapign debt and the RNC.
NEW VIDEO: Trumps recounts and contested election and Voter Fraud Legal Defense Fund?
Relax.
Its all just ANOTHER $ SCAM!
ANOTHER GODDAMNED TRUMP $ SCAM!
New Olbermann Vs. Trump video: https://t.co/4XouEyh39E
2 Minutes of a truly manic performance from me, below: https://t.co/WJswu19E8Z
Link to tweet
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NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)while all they do is sow seeds of bitterness and division.
Fuck all republicans. Forever. There will never be time to make nice again...not for me.
dlk
(11,561 posts)Theyve made it clear, repeatedly, they dont believe in democracy and are desperate to hold on to their minority rule. They are dangerous.
benfranklin1776
(6,445 posts)As other posters have pointed out this is their playbook-generate outrage among their base by one garbage scandal after another to delegitimize Democratic Presidents-whitewater, birtherism, Benghazi and now this twaddle. All this to divert their followers from the fact they are being extorted, poisoned, sickened and denied medical care, and starved by the rapacious moneylords that are the puppeteers of todays Republican Party. Not this time however, as we will fight them tooth and nail in every one of their blatant anti-democratic seditious efforts to destroy democracy.
JudyM
(29,236 posts)voting shenanigans by Dems. We cant just win with them.