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Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:30 PM Dec 2011

Al Franken blows Republican economic policy all to

Hell!!!

Senator Al Franken, speaking to AFL-CIO on Monday, points out the glaringly contradictory schools of thought that define the Republican economic theory:

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Franken goes on:

“But there is no evidence that that works. In 1993, when we had something called the Deficit Reduction Package, President Clinton said, ‘let’s raise the top two levels’ [a 2% tax increase for the top earning 1% of Americans]. Every Republican voted against it, every single one. It passed by one vote in the House and one vote in the Senate. Every Republican, well not every Republican, but every Republican who said anything said this will cause a recession.”

After taking a jab at Newt Gingrich, who said this would be the “Democrat recession”, Franken continues:

“It worked. We had the longest period of uninterrupted expansion of our economy in our history when we increased the marginal rate on the people at the top. So it worked. And not only that, but it turned a record deficit into a record surplus, which he took from one Bush, a record deficit, and turned it over to the next Bush, a record surplus.”

And then it gets interesting:

“Five days after George W. Bush became president, Alan Greenspan testified to the Senate Budget Committee, and said ‘we are in danger of paying off our national debt too fast. We have a projected $5 trillion surplus going into the next ten years and we very well may pay off the debt too fast, the federal government is in danger of having too much money.’ He said, what would happen as a result of that is, we will have to take our excess money and invest it into private equities and that could disrupt the market.”

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http://progressivetoo.com/2011/07/14/sen-al-franken-shreds-the-republican-economic-theory/

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Al Franken blows Republican economic policy all to (Original Post) Bennyboy Dec 2011 OP
Home Truths, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2011 #1
My favorite politician. Senator Al Franken. BootinUp Dec 2011 #2
He is mine Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #5
So, icarusxat Dec 2011 #23
KnR 9 He speaks of the truth...and that Cheney dude is still out there trying to be revelent opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #3
Al Franken is a Minnesota Senator... Kalidurga Dec 2011 #4
K&R silverweb Dec 2011 #6
+1 Scuba Dec 2011 #9
GO AL! burrowowl Dec 2011 #7
In what way would this "disrupt the market"? saras Dec 2011 #8
I'd also like to know the answer to this. Sirveri Dec 2011 #11
Invest in the market means government owing the means of production. Bolo Boffin Dec 2011 #12
It's also interesting that the Fed has another option to investing. hootinholler Dec 2011 #14
Franken for Vice President? exboyfil Dec 2011 #10
We need a few "Harry & Louise" Ads saying exactly the same thing...over and over again Bandit Dec 2011 #13
Sure. Now find a way to pay for Harry & Louise. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #19
I do love my junior senator. hifiguy Dec 2011 #15
This is brilliant! mistertrickster Dec 2011 #16
Al Franken JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #17
Kick and Rec nt Stuart G Dec 2011 #18
kick Quantess Dec 2011 #20
Here is the Greenspan speech if anyone wants to check it out Mnpaul Dec 2011 #21
Privatize guss Dec 2011 #22
Fantastic. Great job pointing out the gobbledygook that is Republican economic theory. wakemewhenitsover Dec 2011 #24

BootinUp

(50,846 posts)
2. My favorite politician. Senator Al Franken.
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:47 PM
Dec 2011

Go Git Em AL!!

Here's my favorite part from the article:

“Every time you cut taxes, you increase revenues. And every time you cut taxes, you decrease revenues. That’s fun to hear. And then Bush of course came in and said, ‘we’re in danger of having too much money, and it’s your money so let’s cut taxes, because it’s your money. And we’re running a surplus, let’s cut taxes’.

So we cut taxes because we had “too much money”, because the economy was good. But what did Bush do when the economy soured?

“Then as soon as we started losing jobs and we’re in a recession, Bush said, ‘well we’re in a recession, we need to cut taxes because the economy’s bad.’ So in addition to ‘every time you cut taxes you increase revenue’ and ‘every time you cut taxes you decrease revenue’, there was also, ‘every time the economy’s doing well you have to cut taxes’, and ‘every time the economy is doing bad you have to cut taxes.’”

opihimoimoi

(52,426 posts)
3. KnR 9 He speaks of the truth...and that Cheney dude is still out there trying to be revelent
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:49 PM
Dec 2011

Al is one of my faves

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. Al Franken is a Minnesota Senator...
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 11:11 PM
Dec 2011

please forget about that other Minnesotan that makes us look like nutters. Thanks in advance.

silverweb

(16,410 posts)
6. K&R
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 01:08 AM
Dec 2011

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]You tell it, Senator Franken!

I love this man. He's a liberal's liberal, he's a truth teller, and he's fearless.

Everything he says is thoroughly researched and he doesn't hold back. I have yet to see anyone disprove any argument he has ever made.



 

saras

(6,670 posts)
8. In what way would this "disrupt the market"?
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 04:11 AM
Dec 2011

I suspect that what Greenspan considers "disruption" the rest of us would consider "sensible regulation".

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
11. I'd also like to know the answer to this.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 07:21 AM
Dec 2011

God forbids we have too much money. Why we might have to spend it putting people to work doing things that are actually USEFUL!

Bolo Boffin

(23,872 posts)
12. Invest in the market means government owing the means of production.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 07:43 AM
Dec 2011

Communist revolution by Wall Street. Picking winners and losers.

So Bush 43 made damn sure that could never happen.

hootinholler

(26,451 posts)
14. It's also interesting that the Fed has another option to investing.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:53 AM
Dec 2011

They could simply destroy that money and shrink the total number of dollars, but there's no profit in that.

Until the Fed becomes non-profit this sort of problem will continue.

exboyfil

(18,336 posts)
10. Franken for Vice President?
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 07:02 AM
Dec 2011

Lets face it. Joe Biden is no heir apparent to Obama (frankly I think he is a drag on the ticket). How about finding a nice ambassadorship for the current V.P. and put Franken on the ticket. This would position Franken for a run at the top job in 2016. I am not sure he has enough exposure as a Senator.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
13. We need a few "Harry & Louise" Ads saying exactly the same thing...over and over again
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:53 AM
Dec 2011

Somehow the truth has to get out there...

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
19. Sure. Now find a way to pay for Harry & Louise.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 02:12 PM
Dec 2011

That's where the rubber meets the road, where the Republicans manage to poison public discourse by endless repetitions of their big lies. That, in short, is how money rules.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. I do love my junior senator.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 09:36 AM
Dec 2011

He and Bernie Sanders are the best - principled and honest.

JustAnotherGen

(37,503 posts)
17. Al Franken
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:46 PM
Dec 2011

Has a way of explaining things where we can all understand the precise crux of the issue. Fabulous overview of how it happened! Gosh darn it - I like him!

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
21. Here is the Greenspan speech if anyone wants to check it out
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:01 PM
Dec 2011

We were even on track to continue to run surpluses when the baby boomers retired.
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/testimony/2001/20010125/default.htm

guss

(249 posts)
22. Privatize
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 08:04 PM
Dec 2011

Greenspan used the threat of having too much of a surplus as a result the excess money would be invested into private equities.
Wow what a visionary! as soon as they could get a war going they used any surplus we had and more! to Privatize the military, made homeland security, privatize that, Privatized most of FEMA. whatever they could privatize they would do it without surplus. Social security, 401 k, Medicare, post office. Repulicans threatened what will happen if the country is doing great. then do the evil through a fog of war.

wakemewhenitsover

(1,595 posts)
24. Fantastic. Great job pointing out the gobbledygook that is Republican economic theory.
Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:15 PM
Dec 2011

Love the paragraph about being a Sputnik kid, too.

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