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Why hasn't the AP called Georgia for Biden? He is up 14K and not many ballots left to count. (Original Post) yellowcanine Nov 2020 OP
Nevertheless, automatic recount. Jirel Nov 2020 #1
Maybe this is why: Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #2
Using that explanation, they should indeed call it Dem2 Nov 2020 #10
They have set a standard of 0.5% and the Georgia race is less than that. onenote Nov 2020 #19
All this mollycoddling of 'The Biglyest Loser' is making me sick. njhoneybadger Nov 2020 #3
It is, I think... 2naSalit Nov 2020 #4
Because of the recount, I don't think it can be called until 10 days after the election mtnsnake Nov 2020 #5
No more ballots can come in. The deadline for military and overseas ballots has passed. NT CottonBear Nov 2020 #6
Here mtnsnake Nov 2020 #8
That article is from Thursday Nov. 5. The deadline to cure ballots was Nov. 6. N/T CottonBear Nov 2020 #9
The date of the article doesn't change the meaning of its message. nt mtnsnake Nov 2020 #11
GA is not as close as MI was in 2016 Johnny2X2X Nov 2020 #7
Yeah, but emails. triron Nov 2020 #14
And they were... in the basement!!!! winstars Nov 2020 #18
In 2016, AP didn't call Michigan for more than week. onenote Nov 2020 #23
They're waiting for Republican Ratfuckery to kick in. NCDem47 Nov 2020 #12
They are being cautious; the margin is razor thin Chainfire Nov 2020 #13
Yes it is beyond! triron Nov 2020 #15
No way he can overcome the deficit Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #25
There are fewer ballots left than the margin greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #26
Think it would be a good thing if AZ and GA were called right after the other Bradshaw3 Nov 2020 #16
AP already called AZ. Recount unlikely grantcart Nov 2020 #21
Well aware of that Bradshaw3 Nov 2020 #24
It seems to coddle Trump, new rule. Don't call it until after recount. They always call it before LizBeth Nov 2020 #17
They didn't call Michigan in 2016 until after the time for requesting a recount onenote Nov 2020 #22
The recount is the excuse, though that's never stopped them before coti Nov 2020 #20

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
2. Maybe this is why:
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 09:58 AM
Nov 2020
The AP does not declare a winner of an election that will be — or is likely to become — subject to a mandatory recount. In instances where a recount isn't required by law but a candidate requests one, AP will not call a race if the margin between the top two candidates is 0.5 percentage points or less.

Electoral research conducted by the AP found there have been at least 31 statewide recounts since 2000. Three of those changed the outcome of the election. The initial margins in those races were 137 votes, 215 votes and 261 votes.

Among all 31 recounts, the largest shift in results was 0.1%, in the 2006 race for Vermont’s Auditor of Accounts. This was a low turnout election in which the initial results had one candidate winning by 137 votes. The candidate eventually lost by 102 votes, for a swing of 239 votes.

The average shift in the margin between the top two candidates was 0.019 percentage points.

https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/11/09/explainer-georgia-north-carolina-trump-biden-associated-press-race-calls

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
10. Using that explanation, they should indeed call it
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:11 AM
Nov 2020

They're being extremely weak-kneed in this situation.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
19. They have set a standard of 0.5% and the Georgia race is less than that.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020

It's not something they just made up.

2naSalit

(86,586 posts)
4. It is, I think...
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:00 AM
Nov 2020

An attempt to avoid a lot of legal wrangling that is expected in coming s=weeks since there are two crucial runoffs in Jan. This SOS has a heavy burden as the whole world is focusing on him and his ability to handle it without a lot of contention. It is the best he can do to satisfy as many stakeholders as possible and that is the most he can do. We all know the result, we just have to wait to make it official, I'm good with that.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
5. Because of the recount, I don't think it can be called until 10 days after the election
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:00 AM
Nov 2020

when the legal certification is due. I guess they have to count all the ballots that are still coming in up until that time.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
8. Here
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:05 AM
Nov 2020
“We anticipate having the count quote un-quote ‘done,’ when the legal deadline for certification is, which is going to be 10 days after the election. That’s when we’re done because there are ballots that are still coming in, there are ballots to be cured, there are ballots that are provisionals that are to be verified, he said.

https://www.onlineathens.com/news/20201105/when-will-georgia-be-called-for-joe-biden-or-donald-trump

Johnny2X2X

(19,061 posts)
7. GA is not as close as MI was in 2016
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:03 AM
Nov 2020

It should be called, then it sounds like a hand recount will take place, still shouldn't stop the networks from calling it. They called MI.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
12. They're waiting for Republican Ratfuckery to kick in.
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:17 AM
Nov 2020

In all seriousness, for the reasons the previous posters said.

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
13. They are being cautious; the margin is razor thin
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:20 AM
Nov 2020

I don't think Trump can overcome the deficit, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility. I don't think that there is any evil intent, it is just at this point, nobody wants to be wrong.

Turin_C3PO

(13,979 posts)
25. No way he can overcome the deficit
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:30 PM
Nov 2020

unless the Republicans rig the recount (which they won’t). Biden’s ahead by way too much. If Trump won the recount, it would imply the Democrats committed election fraud. And that didn’t happen, obviously.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
26. There are fewer ballots left than the margin
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:33 PM
Nov 2020

and no recount in modern history has reversed a margin of 14,000 votes.

The calls should be made on the counted votes, not some vague threat of future legal action. Given the current margin, it is impossible for Trump to cover the 14,000 vote spread. Like, living on the surface of the sun impossible.

Bradshaw3

(7,517 posts)
16. Think it would be a good thing if AZ and GA were called right after the other
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 10:30 AM
Nov 2020

It would really amp up the pressure on repubs to admit it's over. Not drumpf but repub officials.

Also what's going on in GA is not an official recount. It is called an audit and was pre-planned by law for a statewide race. They chose to use the presidential race,

Bradshaw3

(7,517 posts)
24. Well aware of that
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 04:26 PM
Nov 2020

They and Faux did that several days ago. I was talking about the rest of the news organizations to make it unanimous. These things gain a momentum of their own, and those two states back-to-back would give the faint of heart repubs no more cover.

And there won't be a recount in AZ. Biden is well over the threshold.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
17. It seems to coddle Trump, new rule. Don't call it until after recount. They always call it before
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:13 PM
Nov 2020

recount but Georgia's Rep0ublicans are changing rules.

onenote

(42,700 posts)
22. They didn't call Michigan in 2016 until after the time for requesting a recount
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:54 PM
Nov 2020

It's not a new rule just for Trump.

coti

(4,612 posts)
20. The recount is the excuse, though that's never stopped them before
Thu Nov 12, 2020, 02:45 PM
Nov 2020

and it shouldn't stop them. You assume the validity of the figures you have, even if close, until proved otherwise, lest you enable a delaying tactic with very long odds of success. They're more afraid of Trump than they care about their responsibility to democracy.

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