Laurie Garrett: I'm in a zoom mtg now w/top Trump advisor: - Says he ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT concede

[Nevilledog]

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Tweet text:
Laurie Garrett
@Laurie_Garrett
I'm in a zoom mtg now w/top #Trump advisor:
- Says he ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT concede
- few legal options right now to contest
- Electoral College is next target: claims there are "faithless electors" who can be turned for 20 states. Working on it now.
Electors meet Dec 14th.
1:46 PM · Nov 12, 2020

[Zoonart]

1. So... coup it is then?

[soothsayer]

2. He's nuts

Or most likely fleecing the flock

[mahatmakanejeeves]

3. Yeah, but:

Mon Jul 6, 2020: Supreme Court rules states can remove 'faithless electors'

Mon Jul 6, 2020:Supreme Court says states may require presidential electors to support popular-vote winner

More links:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=archives&date=2020x7x6

[2naSalit]

39. +1

[C_U_L8R]

4. They are going the threaten and bribe electors

What fucksticks.

[samnsara]

5. wasnt there a court decision regarding faithless electors?

[mahatmakanejeeves]

13. Yes.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=archives&date=2020x7x6

[Cha]

6. Who Gives A SHITE!!!!!

[madaboutharry]

7. This will not happen.

It is bullshit. I'm surprised she didn't "leave the meeting."

Does anyone, and I mean anyone, think that Trump will get away with a coup? I do not believe the American people will say "OK, sure forget that you lost, you can still be president."

[Zoonart]

11. Their attitude from day one has been

"What are you going to do about it?"

[JHB]

27. Their attitude has been that since at least 1994

[Thekaspervote]

37. This isn't Biden's first rodeo..you really think he's going to just sit back and let that happen

Yes, he will absolutely do something about it

[exboyfil]

8. 36 pledged Biden electors?

I prefer him trying to attack that instead of attacking the legislators to pick the slate of electors. It is very good if he has given up on attacking vote totals.

In any event the GOP should work with the Democrats to remove him before he destroys the whole country. They won't being the craven individuals that they are.

[GopherGal]

34. From the Limited bullet points listed, it's not 100% clear what's proposed

But I think the attack on the "electors" can come at two spots:
1) challenge/corrupt the states' appointment of electors
2) "turn" some duly chosen democratic electors.

#1 creates a whole legislative/legal/court mess (a favorable-to-him resolution of which Hair Furor may be counting on from his court packing). But the ReThugs' MO has been "commit the crime, they can't stop me until it's done"

#2 counts on some democratic electors being willing to commit political suicide by voting for Hair Furor. Then again, there may prove to be some Sarandon-dems who are just too pure and non-conformist to skip their chance to disrupt the system.

Ah, looks like the Washington Post sees the same two possibilities
[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/12/could-electoral-college-be-stolen-biden/|]

[exboyfil]

35. He is already doing #1 but that is not faithless electors

I don't know if the explanation to the reporter was wrong, or she got it wrong. Probably they are trying both. Get PA and another state kicked out (MI? or WI?). Then go to work on the individual electors if they can't get another state.

I wish Al Gore had thought of that in 2000. He would have only had to flip 3 and he would have had some justification for doing it (the popular vote winner).

[GopherGal]

38. yes, they're likely trying both.

From the WaPo article I linked above, regarding the "convince enough electors to switch their votes" option:

But if the Republican Party is considering far-fetched possibilities, let’s run down this one. It’s even more unlikely than the first.

and goes on to quote:

“Altogether, there have been 23,507 electoral votes counted across 58 presidential elections,” says the nonpartisan voting advocacy group Fair Vote. “Only 90 electors have cast ‘deviant’ votes.”

Thats 0.38%.

[Thekaspervote]

36. This has been beaten to death here...please stop!

The gop majority leaders of Pa and WI have both stated they will NOT overrule the popular vote or the will of the ppl of their states

https://whyy.org/articles/as-legal-challenges-fizzle-pa-gop-reaffirms-it-will-not-seek-to-override-popular-vote/

Fr M WI: They would effectively be nullifying the votes of the 3 million plus Wisconsinites," UW-Madison Law Professor Rob Yablon said.

He added that is not allowed under current Wisconsin law and can't see the Legislature trying to change it.

"The electors that were chosen on Election Day are legally bound to vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in Wisconsin," Yablon said. "And if the Legislature attempted to appoint its own substitute slate of electors, it's hard to see how that would be legitimate."

The Wisconsin Elections Commission agreed.

"In Wisconsin, the state Legislature plays no role in certifying or deciding which slate of electors vote in the Electoral College," the commission said in a statement to WISN 12 News.

Those electors "must vote for the candidates of the party that nominated them."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/07/14/supreme-courts-faithless-electors-decision-validates-case-for-the-national-popular-vote-interstate-compact/

[Spazito]

9. "Top trump advisor"...

I'm betting on Stephen Miller or, 2nd place, Jared Kushner.

[bluestarone]

10. The million lies he's had before PROVES

THIS is Number One Million and ONE!!

[brooklynite]

12. I'll wait to get some more detail from her...

[exboyfil]

19. It does seem he is going after the strongest and not the weakest link

Flipping 36 Biden electors to get to a tie? How likely is that? We won't have a country left if he was successful, and I can't imagine how he would do it.

Gore would only have had to flip 3.

[brettdale]

14. what does faithless electors mean?

what does faithless electors mean?

[exboyfil]

23. You are actually voting for a group

in your state of electors who are representatives of the party and not the candidate himself/herself. These are the electoral votes. A faithless one is one pledged to a candidate who has won that elects not to vote for that candidate. Many state laws prevent that from happening and have various punishments including removal.

[SamKnause]

15. I don't give a fuck if he concedes.

I don't want to hear a concession speech from him.

I just want him to get the fuck out.

You lost you anus mouthed evil fucker.

[sinkingfeeling]

16. I want him charged with sedition.

[Kaleva]

17. In Michigan the electors will have be handpicked by Democrats

Very much doubt any can be "turned".

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. Garrett should be too smart to spread misinformation about electors

Slates of electors are selected by the party/campaign. The appropriate slate is appointed to represent the state’s winner of the popular vote by the governor, and those electors vote on December 14.

No Biden elector is going to flip for Trump, period.

[greenjar_01]

20. It would be like the delegation for a state in the Democratic National Convention

getting up and nominating the candidate from the other party.

They really are fleecing the morons at this point.

The electoral slate chosen by the Party is the hardest of the hardcore Party faithful and activists. The notion of faithless electors is archaic and silly.

[Blecht]

33. Exactly

I do not think they're going to get Stacey Abrams (she's an elector) to flip.

Link to tweet

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

21. She's just reporting what she heard them say they'd do.

Doesn't mean they can actually do it, though they might try.

[malaise]

22. Good luck with that

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-465_i425.pdf

This fundamental allocation of power applies in the context of the electoral college. Article II, §1, and the Twelfth
Amendment address the election of the President through
a body of electors. These sections of the Constitution provide the Federal Government with limited powers concerning the election, set various requirements for the electors,
and impose an affirmative obligation on States to appoint
electors. Art. II, §1; Amdt. 12. Each of these directives is
consistent with the general structure of the Constitution
and the principle of reserved powers. See supra, at 9–10;
U. S. Term Limits, supra, at 863 (THOMAS, J., dissenting).
Put simply, nothing in the text or structure of Article II and
the Twelfth Amendment contradicts the fundamental distribution of power preserved by the Tenth Amendment.
Of course, the powers reserved to the States concerning
Presidential electors cannot “be exercised in such a way as
to violate express constitutional commands.” Williams v.

12 CHIAFALO v. WASHINGTON
THOMAS, J., concurring in judgment
Rhodes, 393 U. S. 23, 29 (1968). That is, powers related to
electors reside with States to the extent that the Constitution does not remove or restrict that power. Thus, to invalidate a state law, there must be “something in the Federal
Constitution that deprives the [States of] the power to enact
such [a] measur[e].” U. S. Term Limits, 514 U. S., at 850
(THOMAS, J., dissenting).
As the Court recognizes, nothing in the Constitution prevents States from requiring Presidential electors to vote for the candidate chosen by the people. Petitioners ask us to
infer a constitutional right to elector independence by interpreting the terms “appoint,” “Electors,” “vote,” and “by Ballot” to align with the Framers’ expectations of discretion in
elector voting. But the Framers’ expectations aid our interpretive inquiry only to the extent that they provide evidence of the original public meaning of the Constitution. They
cannot be used to change that meaning. As the Court explains, the plain meaning of the terms relied on by petitioners do not appear to “connote independent choice.” Ante, at
11. Thus, “the original expectation[s]” of the Framers as to
elector discretion provide “no reason for holding that the
power confided to the States by the Constitution has ceased
to exist.” McPherson, 146 U. S., at 36; see also ante, at 12–
13.
* * *
“The people of the States, from whom all governmental
powers stem, have specified that all powers not prohibited
to the States by the Federal Constitution are reserved ‘to
the States respectively, or to the people.’ ” U. S. Term Limits, supra, at 852 (THOMAS, J., dissenting). Because I would decide this case based on that fundamental principle, I concur only in the judgment.

[Lucinda]

24. He'll conceded before then...maybe even soon. Especially if their "We Lost" march

tanks and it looks like it will - and it is looking that way online. I've seen barely any comments on social media account posts talking logistics and info...unless the GOP voters have moved en masse to Parler

[Progressive Jones]

25. His consession is not necessary. Means nothing. Nt

[FM123]

26. He is going to pull every trick in the book while he is running out the clock.

I don't have any confidence that his team can pull any of this off, they are not the well-oiled machine that Team Biden is.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

28. Keep those MAGAt contributions rolling in a little longer, Donny.

Their daddy needs new golf clubs, has hundreds of lawyers to pay and he needs a new jet plane to escape in.

Grifters gotta grift......

[brooklynite]

29. Consensus of those listening in was: Meaningless humoring of Trump's ego.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

30. Anyone who think they can turn electors into "faithless electors"

really does not understand how the system works.

[SomedayKindaLove]

31. In 29 states (and DC) the electors are bound to whoever won the state

http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=967

Biden won states of Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and PA are not on the list. Maybe dude from Texas, Dan Patrick, can offer each elector who flips a million dollars

[lpbk2713]

32. Trump's word is without value.

He has flip-flopped before and he will do it again.

[BumRushDaShow]

40. Here are the electors reportedly selected by Democrats here in PA

How Pa. chooses Electoral College voters and who are the 20 pledged to pick Joe Biden?

J.D. Prose, USA TODAY Network - PA State Capitol Bureau
Published 3:44 p.m. ET Nov. 11, 2020 | Updated 3:48 p.m. ET Nov. 11, 2020

With President Donald Trump and other Republican elected officials continuing to question former Vice President Joe Biden’s unofficial victory in Pennsylvania, attention is turning to the state’s 20 electoral votes and the people who have been picked to cast them.

Electoral College schedule

In Pennsylvania, each party's nominee chooses their Electoral College electors, and the winning candidate’s party submits its list to the governor to be certified. The electors will cast their votes for president on Dec. 14 in Harrisburg, and that result will then be sent to Congress by Dec. 23, said Kermit Roosevelt, a constitutional law professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

Congress is scheduled to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6 to count the electoral votes, and there can be objections, Roosevelt said, but they must be made by both a representative and a senator. If that were to occur, Roosevelt said the two houses would recess and separately debate whether to reject or accept the objection. Both the House and the Senate must agree to exclude an electoral vote, he said.

(snip)

The 20 Pennsylvania Democrats picked to be Electoral College elector

Nina Ahmad, Philadelphia County

Former deputy mayor for public engagement in Philadelphia

Val Arkoosh, Montgomery County

Chair of the Montgomery County Board of Commissioners

Cindy Bass, Philadelphia County

Member of the Philadelphia City Council

Rick Bloomingdale, Dauphin County

Pennsylvania AFL-CIO president

Ryan Boyer, Delaware County

Business Manager of Laborer’s International Union of North America Business Council

Paige Gebhardt Cognetti, Lackawanna County

Mayor of Scranton

Daisy Cruz, Philadelphia County

Mid-Atlantic director for 32BJ SEIU

Kathy Dahlkemper, Erie County

Erie County executive

Janet Diaz, Lancaster county

Lancaster City Council member

Virginia McGregor, Lackawanna County

Deputy National Finance Chair for the Democratic National Committee

Charles Hadley, Philadelphia County

Board member at Moberg Medical

Jordan Harris, Philadelphia County

Pa. House Democratic whip

Malcolm Kenyatta, Philadelphia County

State House member

Gerald Lawrence, Delaware County

Delaware County board of elections

Clifford Levine, Allegheny County

Attorney at Dentons Cohen & Grigsby

Nancy Mills, Allegheny County

Democratic National Committee member

Marian Moskowitz, Chester County

Chester County Commissioner

Josh Shapiro, Montgomery County

Pennsylvania Attorney General

Sharif Street, Philadelphia County

State senator

Connie Williams, Delaware County

Former state senator

A Pennsylvania Republican Party official did not immediately respond to a request for the names of its electors.


https://www.timesonline.com/story/news/2020/11/11/electoral-college-electors-pennsyslvania-election-popular-vote-results-joe-biden/6253260002/

NONE of these people are switching anytime soon!