Fri Nov 13, 2020, 10:58 AM
99 replies, 3612 views
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Author | Time | Post |
 Remember: No Phony Democrats! (Original post) |
Laelth | Nov 2020 | OP |
| NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #1 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #4 | |
| NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #14 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #38 | |
| NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #42 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #46 | |
| NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #49 | |
| mcar | Nov 2020 | #2 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #23 | |
| Squinch | Nov 2020 | #3 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #7 | |
| brooklynite | Nov 2020 | #47 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #55 | |
| Hortensis | Nov 2020 | #48 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #58 | |
| MrsCoffee | Nov 2020 | #71 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #76 | |
| MrsCoffee | Nov 2020 | #83 | |
| Hortensis | Nov 2020 | #74 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #79 | |
| Hortensis | Nov 2020 | #86 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #94 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #77 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #85 | |
| Squinch | Nov 2020 | #99 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #5 | |
| dware | Nov 2020 | #6 | |
| Squinch | Nov 2020 | #11 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #12 | |
| dware | Nov 2020 | #15 | |
| NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #17 | |
| dware | Nov 2020 | #19 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #25 | |
| dware | Nov 2020 | #28 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #32 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #27 | |
| NurseJackie | Nov 2020 | #36 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #56 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #82 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #9 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #20 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #26 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #29 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #37 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #41 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #80 | |
| BComplex | Nov 2020 | #30 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #35 | |
| BComplex | Nov 2020 | #39 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #45 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #65 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #69 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #52 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #57 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #61 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #64 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #68 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #73 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #84 | |
| Post removed | Nov 2020 | #51 | |
| Spazito | Nov 2020 | #54 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #87 | |
| lagomorph777 | Nov 2020 | #8 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #13 | |
| BComplex | Nov 2020 | #31 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #62 | |
| Turin_C3PO | Nov 2020 | #10 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #16 | |
| Turin_C3PO | Nov 2020 | #24 | |
| beachbumbob | Nov 2020 | #18 | |
| Turin_C3PO | Nov 2020 | #21 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #33 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #44 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #88 | |
| bullwinkle428 | Nov 2020 | #40 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #89 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #43 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #90 | |
| mopinko | Nov 2020 | #22 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #34 | |
| brooklynite | Nov 2020 | #50 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #72 | |
| brooklynite | Nov 2020 | #78 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #81 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #92 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #70 | |
| Klaralven | Nov 2020 | #53 | |
| FoxNewsSucks | Nov 2020 | #59 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #93 | |
| Klaralven | Nov 2020 | #95 | |
| Demsrule86 | Nov 2020 | #98 | |
| Silent3 | Nov 2020 | #60 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #63 | |
| Silent3 | Nov 2020 | #66 | |
| Laelth | Nov 2020 | #67 | |
| Klaralven | Nov 2020 | #75 | |
| Happy Hoosier | Nov 2020 | #91 | |
| Klaralven | Nov 2020 | #96 | |
| Happy Hoosier | Nov 2020 | #97 |
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:04 AM
4. Only 99.44% pure?
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Not good enough!
Take up your fight with Truman, Jackie. I think he’s buried in MO, somewhere. Dismiss his advice at your peril (and consider the effects on the rest of us while you are at it, please). 
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #4)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:11 AM
14. Sorry to be the one to point this out... but 2020 is much different than 1952.
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It's a different time. It's a different world. The "sage wisdom" of people born just 20 years after Abraham Lincoln was assassinated may have been fitting and appropriate for his time, but not ours.
Dismiss his advice at your peril (and consider the effects on the rest of us while you are at it, please). What a ridiculous thing to say. Nobody is in "peril" because I dismiss quotes from nearly 70 years ago. GMAB!  |
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #14)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:36 AM
38. You don't give yourself enough credit.
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Certainly, your words and your actions have SOME effect on the world.
I hear you. It’s not 1947. It’s 2020. Now the Democratic Party has nearly 100 years worth of liberal reforms to be proud of and to celebrate. We won in 2018 by celebrating the ACA (which is generally loved). We’re in good shape so long as we remain a liberal party. -Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #38)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:48 AM
42. Well...
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You don't give yourself enough credit. 
Certainly, your words and your actions have SOME effect on the world. Not as much as you're suggesting, and certainly not in a reckless way that results in some unknown "peril" for everyone.
It's like I'm being compared to that Amazon butterfly who flapped his wings and created a slight puff of air that set off a domino-effect chain of events that culminated with a typhoon. |
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #42)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:57 AM
46. What you say matters to me, Jackie.
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I will leave it at that and wish you well.
-Laelth |
Response to mcar (Reply #2)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:17 AM
23. Only on DU can a quote from Harry S. Truman get a facepalm.
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I love this place. Cheers!
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:03 AM
Squinch (49,328 posts)
3. Remember! Control of the committees and even the
Response to Squinch (Reply #3)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:07 AM
7. I am not calling for Manchin's resignation ... yet.
Response to Laelth (Reply #7)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:59 AM
brooklynite (89,697 posts)
47. If you DO call for Manchin's resignation, it will be moot as well...
Response to brooklynite (Reply #47)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:07 PM
55. Obviously.
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I am nowhere near as powerful as you think that I think I am. -Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #7)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:00 PM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
48. Good. Because we do not lose because of what is wrongly
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being called "phony" Democrats. Static black-and-white thinking in an incredibly complex dynamic.
Our multi-dimensional diversity is a huge part of our strength and sustainable, liberalism-dominated ideology. As always in the past, our diversity has helped keep us strongly liberally oriented and protected us from the extremism that has taken over the right. We genuinely need some moderate, progressive conservatives, like Manchin and many of those who elect him, and, of course, we also genuinely need them not to join the authoritarian right against us. You may have seen this graph on another post. This time, please note that strong, steady blue line protecting democracy. That's us, the liberal big tent, who represent almost all of the many factions Americans identify as. And so far we've always won. That red line is what ideological diversity has protected us from becoming. 
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #48)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:08 PM
58. I guess Truman was an idiot then, huh?
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Your fight is with him. I just posted his words.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #58)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:29 PM
MrsCoffee (5,777 posts)
71. Except you didn't just post his words.
Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #71)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:35 PM
76. In the OP, yes. It's 95% Truman's words.
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I admit that I have strong feelings about this subject. I have expressed some of them in other threads and in my responses here. That’s OK, isn’t it?
I just pulled in Truman for support of my position. Certainly that’s OK on Democratic Underground. I would hope so.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #58)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:32 PM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
74. :) I bet I have more Truman biographies than you.
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He started out as an avowed Dixiecrat, you know, but only LW extremists would call him a phony Democrat and then only when they weren't instead arguing all Democrats were really just phony Democrats.
His entire political life he worked with everyone he could woo into working with him. He was big hearted and and very inclusive, a lot like Biden, and that was a big factor in what would be considered one of the truly great presidencies if it weren't for the Korean War.  |
Response to Hortensis (Reply #74)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:46 PM
79. I admit that I have not read a lot about Truman.
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But what I have read had generated deep admiration in me, and I firmly believe that he has been underrated, historically. He was a GREAT President.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #79)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:55 PM
Hortensis (58,785 posts)
86. Agree. :) He's almost too nice for me, actually, but
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a GREAT president when we needed him. Now, LBJ -- that's a president I can admire enormously and want to take a stick to at the same time, or at least in the same chapters.
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Response to Hortensis (Reply #86)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:02 PM
94. LBJ?
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Now, that’s absolutely one of the baddest-assessed Presidents in our history. He was an English teacher (like me) from the South (like me) and a die-hard liberal (like me). His list of achievements is a mile long.
Among Johnson’s liberal achievements are Medicare; Medicaid; Legal Aid; federal funding for education including creation of the National Endowment for the Humanities, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the Public Broadcasting Act; the Revenue Act of 1964; the Economic Opportunity Act; the Civil Rights Act of 1964; and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
http://laelth.blogspot.com/2011/01/turning-american-ship-of-state.html That’s how I feel about LBJ. The linked article is long, but I would be honored if you would take a look at it.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #7)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:42 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
77. Are you kidding...we will have a 5050 seat if we win the Georgia seats...
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #77)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:54 PM
85. Many of us will suffer GREATLY for the next two years under a divided government.
Response to Laelth (Reply #85)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 02:31 PM
Squinch (49,328 posts)
99. You'd suffer less without Manchin? (Hint: No. You wouldn't.)
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:05 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
5. Who do you see as phony Dems? n/t
Response to dware (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
Squinch (49,328 posts)
11. How about, I don't like him at all. But if he did not have a "D" after his name, these Georgia
Response to dware (Reply #6)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:12 AM
17. I love Joe Manchin! He's great! So glad to have him there!
Response to dware (Reply #19)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:19 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
25. So, you are upset with him but don't see him as a "phony Democrat"....
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Response to dware (Reply #28)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:27 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
32. I don't think you are alone in that at all...
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:24 AM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
27. Other than the numerical need for his presence,
Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #27)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:33 AM
36. He may not vote with the Democrats as often as we'd like, but he does so...
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #36)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:07 PM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
56. I am glad he's there,
Response to NurseJackie (Reply #17)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:52 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
82. Me too Jackie...some here need to read about who was reelected in California on our side and
Response to Spazito (Reply #5)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:09 AM
9. Today, I am still grinding my teeth over Joe Manchin's recent remarks.
Response to Laelth (Reply #9)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:15 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
20. So, if I read this correctly, your OP, it is a reminder for the....
Response to Spazito (Reply #20)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:21 AM
26. Only on DU can a quote from Harry S. Truman generate such scrutiny.
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I love this place. Thank you, and cheers!
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #26)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:25 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
29. Isn't it great!
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Nothing passes without scrutiny and request for context here which is why I love it so much. We learn from each other, question each other and support each other when needed.
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Response to Spazito (Reply #29)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:34 AM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
37. I don't know if I would consider attempting to
Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #37)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:50 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
80. +10000
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Response to Spazito (Reply #5)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:26 AM
BComplex (7,618 posts)
30. We used to have a phony dem called Joe Lieberman...and he ran as VP to Al Gore.
Response to BComplex (Reply #30)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:31 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
35. Actually Joe was a Democrat, a conservative Democrat to be sure...
Response to Spazito (Reply #35)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:40 AM
BComplex (7,618 posts)
39. Seeing as how he spoke at the republican convention for bush the next time around, I'd say
Response to BComplex (Reply #39)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:52 AM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
45. Well, he was listed as an "Independent Democrat", I believe...
Response to Spazito (Reply #45)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:20 PM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
65. He changed that
Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #65)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:24 PM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
69. Ex Democrat is definitely the title he deserves now...
Response to Spazito (Reply #35)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:04 PM
52. Lieberman ignored the results of the CT primary and ran AGAINST its candidate.
Response to Laelth (Reply #52)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:08 PM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
57. and that's why the Democratic Party distanced themselves from him at that time...
Response to Spazito (Reply #57)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:12 PM
61. He did caucus with us, yes, but I would have preferred Lamont. n/t
Response to Laelth (Reply #61)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:19 PM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
64. Oh, me too, no argument again from me on that...
Response to Spazito (Reply #64)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:24 PM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
68. Those things may be true,
Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #68)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:30 PM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
73. Manchin has often made public pronouncement like this...
Response to BComplex (Reply #30)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:54 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
84. Joe Lieberman was primaried and ran as an independent...it is my opinion had we not
Response to Post removed (Reply #51)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:06 PM
Spazito (49,381 posts)
54. That definitely seems like a Dixiecrat Dem, the epitome of "phony Dem"...
Response to Post removed (Reply #51)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:55 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
87. He is not a Democrat and has resigned his seat.
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:08 AM
8. We agree on WAY more than we disagree on.
Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:10 AM
13. That's quite true.
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The 2019 Democratic Debates were a joy to watch. Our party is more universally liberal now than it has been in decades.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #13)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:27 AM
BComplex (7,618 posts)
31. I'm totally with you, Laelth!
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Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:09 AM
Turin_C3PO (11,966 posts)
10. Besides Manchin
Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #10)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:12 AM
16. I agree, and I am thrilled to see it.
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Please note post #13, above.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #16)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:18 AM
Turin_C3PO (11,966 posts)
24. Yes, I agree with that post!
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I'm very happy that Dems seem to no longer be afraid of what Republicans say about us. Of course, many MSM outlets still ponder every hour what the Dems should do to be more like Repubs. Screw that, we're liberal and proud of it!
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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:15 AM
Turin_C3PO (11,966 posts)
21. It's a centrist country.
Response to beachbumbob (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:29 AM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
33. Actually, it is.
Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #33)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:56 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
88. Liberal policies are great and we need to do a better job selling the policies...but the reality is
Response to beachbumbob (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:44 AM
bullwinkle428 (20,599 posts)
40. America still absolutely loves some liberal policies, even if many don't want
Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #40)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:57 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
89. And that is how we win...popular policies without labels...we push them hard. The ACA
Response to beachbumbob (Reply #18)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:49 AM
43. The United States is a BASTION of liberalism.
Response to Laelth (Reply #43)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:57 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
90. It really is not. Look at the Senate and the house races.
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 11:17 AM
mopinko (68,394 posts)
22. on this one i'm right there w ya.
Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #34)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:00 PM
brooklynite (89,697 posts)
50. Yes! Being in charge is overrated!
Response to brooklynite (Reply #50)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:30 PM
72. LOL. Such a realist. So sane. So pragmatic.
Response to Laelth (Reply #72)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:42 PM
brooklynite (89,697 posts)
78. So you're upset because Manchin's opinion is the same as Biden's?
Response to brooklynite (Reply #78)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:50 PM
81. My hope is that Biden is flexible.
Response to brooklynite (Reply #50)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:58 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
92. Exactly right. If we follow this purity crap, we will lose forever.
Response to Klaralven (Reply #53)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:11 PM
FoxNewsSucks (10,236 posts)
59. Republicons would like for everyone to forget
Response to Klaralven (Reply #53)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:01 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
93. That is on paper...what have we accomplished in the last 20 years ...I would say healthcare
Response to Klaralven (Reply #95)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:33 PM
Demsrule86 (67,180 posts)
98. The fact that we have the ACA is a miracle and if some had President's back, we would
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:11 PM
Silent3 (14,304 posts)
60. Partial agreement
Response to Laelth (Reply #63)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:21 PM
Silent3 (14,304 posts)
66. It pisses me off too, but we'd get even less done...
Response to Silent3 (Reply #66)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:23 PM
67. True. As I said above, I don't want Manchin gone.
Response to Laelth (Original post)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 12:58 PM
Happy Hoosier (5,453 posts)
91. Let's start an inquisition!!! NT
Response to Klaralven (Reply #96)
Fri Nov 13, 2020, 01:14 PM
Happy Hoosier (5,453 posts)
97. I, personally, am terrified of the comfy chair!!!!NT
