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Will Chump remember Devin "the Cow" Nunes? That could be a game changer.
634-5789
(4,175 posts)Tubby McTraitor will let all his pals, hacks, co-conspirators go freely. Count on that.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Will wait until the last minute to see what he can extract in favors or cash from those being pardoned.
634-5789
(4,175 posts)zaj
(3,433 posts)Once he pardons a co-conspiring criminal, they can then be forced to testify against Trump himself (the one person he can't pardon), without being able to plead the Fifth?
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,788 posts)From article:
A friend of mine asked me this question, so I researched it; the answer, turns out, is yes: A person may refuse to testify, even when subpoenaed, on the grounds that the testimony may expose him to criminal liability. But if the prospect of criminal liability disappears whether because he has been granted adequate immunity by prosecutors, or because he has accepted a presidential pardon then the privilege against self-incrimination also disappears. f the witness has already received a pardon, he cannot longer set up his privilege, since he stands with respect to such offence as if it had never been committed. Brown v. Walker (1895); see also, e.g., Nixon v. Sampson (D.D.C. 1975) (yes, that Nixon). (Remember that, as with President Richard Nixon, a pardon can preclude future criminal prosecutions, and not just erase past ones.)
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captain queeg
(10,273 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,942 posts)I really could see him doing that - he is such a selfish, bitter shell of a creature.
Gothmog
(145,699 posts)Grins
(7,243 posts)Trump resigns (he wont, but..).
Pence DOESNT pardon Trump cuz he deeply hates that guy!
God, I love to be him for that.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Article too about presumptive pardons. Which have wide latitude. It also says that it is unclear if presidents can pardon themselves.
To me, what would be tricky for him would be how to phrase it. That is without him exposing where he *thinks* he is indeed guilty. Can a pardon just be broad "any federal crimes potentially committed since he was born"?
And furthermore, regardless of whether he pardons himself or if pence does it, wouldn't that do exactly what he's so good at, dragging things out in court? Say he issues a funky pardon, and federal prosecutors want to indict him. He would proffer the pardon and then someone would have to sue him for declaring a false pardon. See that as lasting years in court and eventually to SC. By that time, he'll be running again and in his sick mind will avoid it all over again as sitting president.
Presumptive pardons:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2008/07/can-president-bush-pardon-people-who-haven-t-even-been-charged-with-a-crime.amp
Buckeyeblue
(5,504 posts)I think anyone who can pony up a million bucks will get a pardon. I don't think Trump gives a fuck what their crime is. Look for some high profile names as well as those connected to Trump.
This is how Trump thinks: if he can find a thousand people to give him a million dollars for a pardon, he can pull in a billion dollars.
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm thinking like a trump.
And just in case selling pardons is illegal, he'll save the last one for himself.
bluestarone
(17,082 posts)Could provide us the TRUTH and proof (that we knew) of what was happening the last four years!! What a huge list of co-conspirators we will see!!!!!