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flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 10:49 AM Nov 2020

Beto O'Rourke has done a post mortem on the Texas election and it seems pretty dead on to me

https://riograndeguardian.com/orourke-what-weve-learned-in-texas/

1 The Republican party, through years of majority, has institutional advantages like gerrymandered districts.

2 The Republican party isn't ashamed to lie, cheat and steal to remain in power. That's hard to fight, if we go defensive it looks weak and it's not in our DNA to lie, cheat and steal elections.

3 The Democratic outreach was too little, too late and poorly executed. In-person canvasing works, the Republicans didn't care if Covid spread, we did. Campaigning for the party and it's platform needs to be a year around effort, not just before an election.

4 The Democratic message, particularly to Hispanics, was one size fits all and the Latino vote is not monolithic. Figure out who you're talking to and target them and their needs.

5 The Republicans took advantage of Social Media and it's lack of oversight to effectively spread their lies while our Social Media Marketing was sorely lacking.

Beto had more to say but that's it in short form.

What to do?

What if the DNC built their own Lincoln Project? With a twist. Instead of attacking the Republicans as the LP did, build a low key year around social media campaign that extols the accomplishments of our party. History lessons as it were. Remind everyone that it was the Democratic party that gave us Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Remind everyone that without those Mom & Dad would move in with YOU. Educate them on the protections put in place after the Great Depression; FDIC to protect your savings, the SEC to police wall street and protect your retirement, keep hammering on health care and promote our party platform by making it personal to each constituency. Remind everyone of the work left to be done: strengthening the safety net, increasing minimum wage, universal pre-school so people can work, low/no cost higher education that pays for itself by increasing wages and therefore tax revenue. Promote our policies that help the rural constituency like universal broad band, infrastructure, the things that will make their lives better.

Hey DNC, ya' listening? If you do this it won't be such an uphill battle to sell both a candidate AND a party every two years.
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Beto O'Rourke has done a post mortem on the Texas election and it seems pretty dead on to me (Original Post) flamin lib Nov 2020 OP
I like the idea of a social media Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #1
+1 flamin lib Nov 2020 #2
Agreed! SheltieLover Nov 2020 #16
The Trump campaign ramped up social media and data collection My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #33
Absolutely. And we need to do something about Fux and Hate Radio. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #38
Democratic Party cared for the safety of the American people . . .. Iliyah Nov 2020 #3
Beto for DNC - or at least let's get some monster sub chapters going MaryMagdaline Nov 2020 #4
"Year around effort" SomedayKindaLove Nov 2020 #5
Like rock, paper, scissors frazzled Nov 2020 #6
The problem with your analogy is that even tRUMP tried to hijack FDR to peddle his own gimmicks... WyattKansas Nov 2020 #41
I have been preaching the building of our own Lincoln Project. I hope someone is listening Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #7
The LP formed to fight against trumpism, and now MyMission Nov 2020 #23
Where is the observation that many Latino's are socially conservative? Loki Liesmith Nov 2020 #8
No DarthDem Nov 2020 #19
No but Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #27
#3 and #4 really hurt us in the Valley. dalton99a Nov 2020 #9
Beto is god AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #10
The guy spent months on the road talking to people dalton99a Nov 2020 #12
Exactly, he knows Texas and Texas Hispanics. He isn't flying up to New York, Chicago, Seattle.... George II Nov 2020 #40
It's a massive delusion some safe-blue-district politicians have AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #47
#5 burned Beto badly against Cruz. Cruz did nothing and then Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #11
How about changing schools to a 10 hour day, 52 weeks/year to accommodate working parents? Klaralven Nov 2020 #13
That's too much kcr Nov 2020 #37
At some point the party needs to figure out how to establish Liberal In Texas Nov 2020 #14
Excellent thread. Lots of good ideas. k&r n/t Laelth Nov 2020 #15
Spot on. Claire Oh Nette Nov 2020 #17
I think Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #22
Agreed... Claire Oh Nette Nov 2020 #24
Florida is possible Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #25
2 And 5 happend across the whole country . But I think Biden campaign JI7 Nov 2020 #18
The focus on Texas is also important because of down ballot races. LeftInTX Nov 2020 #45
These are such very, very good points. DarthDem Nov 2020 #20
Beto might be a good choice Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #21
He certainly knows Texas inside and out FakeNoose Nov 2020 #32
Stacey Abrams to head the DNC NewJeffCT Nov 2020 #52
You're right, Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #54
. melman Nov 2020 #26
Lulz! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #31
.... George II Nov 2020 #44
Exactly but whether AOC, Beto or Jones I appreciate hearing all views that liskddksil Nov 2020 #35
Definitely melman Nov 2020 #36
What's this about the election not being "in any way a success"? Facts: George II Nov 2020 #46
Happy talk doesn't work on me. The reality is that without a Georgia miracle liskddksil Nov 2020 #49
We lose elections because of large white population. As the white population decreases and minority JI7 Nov 2020 #50
No, our poor performance with latinos and Asians this cycle shows that we can not rely on liskddksil Nov 2020 #55
There was no poor performance with Latinos and Asians. Asians and Latinos were a reason we came JI7 Nov 2020 #56
AOC criticizes Democratic strategy as a whole, advocating for a particular strategy.... George II Nov 2020 #42
Yup, this is why Obama stayed out of Beto's Senate Race JI7 Nov 2020 #51
Constant social media messaging on Bettie Nov 2020 #28
Your last paragraph I have to agree with so much it hurts. Butterflylady Nov 2020 #29
Democrats need a media machine with many tentacles. Baked Potato Nov 2020 #30
And yet... Dem2 Nov 2020 #34
Door-to-door canvassing in masks should have been done greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #39
The problem was that there was no gaurantee people in the houses would wear masks JI7 Nov 2020 #53
"Campaigning ... needs to be a year around effort, not just before an election" apnu Nov 2020 #43
I would give him resources and let him BrightKnight Nov 2020 #48

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. I like the idea of a social media
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 10:51 AM
Nov 2020

program year round not just for Texas but everywhere. Radio Free Democracy or something of that sort.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,249 posts)
33. The Trump campaign ramped up social media and data collection
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:39 PM
Nov 2020

from the moment Trump was president-elect. Their transition team may have been chaotic, but their digital outreach/re-election effort was a top priority from day one.

MaryMagdaline

(6,854 posts)
4. Beto for DNC - or at least let's get some monster sub chapters going
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 10:58 AM
Nov 2020

One for Texas, one for rust belt

One for Florida - yes, we need to reverse the trend and add voters

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. Like rock, paper, scissors
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:00 AM
Nov 2020

Lies always beat truth. It's naive to think that even a years-long program of extolling the virtues of the Democratic party with truth-telling facts will override the exciting appeal of a bunch of conspiratorial lies, for those who are inclined to like that sort of thing.

It's like the movies: the super-hero fantasies and CGI (read fake) disaster films are always going to outsell the beautifully wrought, serious cinematic masterpiece.

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
41. The problem with your analogy is that even tRUMP tried to hijack FDR to peddle his own gimmicks...
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

Because even Republican voters love FDR and what he gave to this country. The problem has been that the Democratic Party has not done a very good job at educating voters who exactly gave people what.

The only thing the Republicans have is a long history of failures of their ideals and policies. The Republicans, and lately tRUMP trying to claim he was like FDR, have been very good at hijacking and claiming Democratic accomplishments as their own to sell to voters, because they only have failures. Republicans use only lies, projection, and made up crap to describe their Democratic opponent, because people don't really know who will give them the FDR Progressive Ideals and Policies they want built on and not torn down.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
7. I have been preaching the building of our own Lincoln Project. I hope someone is listening
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:02 AM
Nov 2020

Our messaging must be better.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
23. The LP formed to fight against trumpism, and now
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:41 PM
Nov 2020

They are calling themselves a pro-democracy group. I think while they were formed by Repubs, they are not a republican group, but a group of conservative patriots.

I don't see why the Democratic party need to form a pro democracy group; the party is one already. The LP folks are no longer Repubs, most have left the party. I think we should partner with them rather than forming another group. Dems are somewhat split between moderate and progressive policies. A Dem Lincoln project would have this division as the party does, they might serve the liberal or conservative branch more.

As for messaging, Beto has some excellent points, perhaps an arm of the DNC can direct positive ads, and information campaigns as the LP did.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
8. Where is the observation that many Latino's are socially conservative?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:04 AM
Nov 2020

That’s something we need to acknowledge. Do we write them off?

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
19. No
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:19 PM
Nov 2020

This is a good point. Personally I feel that in-person voter outreach is the answer. Town halls, and not just before elections. We can listen to voters in Hispanic areas and hear their concerns. If they're socially conservative, we can assure them that we are, and will always be, the big tent party and that we are about tolerance of ideas. That should appeal to many.

Another advantage of this sort of voter contact is that it's difficult for most Republicans to counter. Think about wealthy patricians like Cornyn and Cruz attempting to connect with whom they view as "average" people. Same in Georgia with the comically out of touch, contemptuous caricatures Loeffler and Perdue. We can remind voters, even socially conservative ones, that the Republicans have achieved nothing in the last 90 years but cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations, saying "no" to programs that will help people who are not wealthy, and getting people hurt or killed.

Turin_C3PO

(13,989 posts)
27. No but
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:23 PM
Nov 2020

in my experience here in NM most Hispanics may be slightly socially conservative but those issues aren't as important to them as they are to whites. I'm Anglo but for my entire life my friends have all been Hispanic. They vote more based on economics. I can't speak for Latinos in other states.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
10. Beto is god
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:08 AM
Nov 2020

He understands Southern and Midwestern Democratic voters far better than people who tweet platitudes from safe blue districts.

Same can be said about Stacey Abrams who understand the Democratic voters and knows how to not make them get turned off by some of the rhetoric coming from extreme blue areas.

dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
12. The guy spent months on the road talking to people
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:12 AM
Nov 2020

He knows rural Texas and Texas Hispanics.

He knows what people are thinking






George II

(67,782 posts)
40. Exactly, he knows Texas and Texas Hispanics. He isn't flying up to New York, Chicago, Seattle....
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

...or any other area of the country other than Texas and the Southwest telling them how to win elections.

He recognizes that Texas, Southwest, and Gulf Coast politics is completely different there than any other part of the country. And I guarantee he isn't running around his area pushing Democratic Socialists or advocating for "defunding the police". He knows that won't work down there.

I remember when Conor Lamb decided in 2017 to run in a special election for PA's 17th District. He was lambasted for being too far right or centrist by what Sanders might call "coastal elites". But Lamb was the perfect Democrat for that district.

He wound up winning the special election and has now been re-elected twice.

Would he win in the Northeast or Northwest of many areas of California? No. But the people of his district apparently are very happy with him.

 

AmericanCanuck

(1,102 posts)
47. It's a massive delusion some safe-blue-district politicians have
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 06:42 PM
Nov 2020

They really think that their socialism will be appealing to everyone everywhere.

Politicians get elected to represent the people who elect them and their interests. They are not elected to advance an ideology. They need to act like public servants which they are.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. #5 burned Beto badly against Cruz. Cruz did nothing and then
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:09 AM
Nov 2020

Spread ugly smears on Mombook just weeks before election. They spread like wildfire among low-infos. Just take a scary pic and darken it up even more. You can reach thousands a minute

Perhaps others know more about how or if you can get the same targets as they do. I thought back when started that Dems should try to set up a rapid response team to monitor the smears. If we had same list of targets immediately blast out counter ads. Even if you could influence 10% it's something! Obviously they didn't. Wonder if Beto brought this up to anyone...cuz he lived through it here.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
13. How about changing schools to a 10 hour day, 52 weeks/year to accommodate working parents?
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:18 AM
Nov 2020

Combine the otherwise fragmented school and daycare systems into a single coherent education and child development system for pre-school through middle-school. Remove the burden on working parents of arranging for and managing the transitions between school and other facilities for school holidays, vacations, etc.

Liberal In Texas

(13,552 posts)
14. At some point the party needs to figure out how to establish
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 11:22 AM
Nov 2020

a network of radio stations to cover the state. Right now the only way to get progressive radio any place in the state is to buy a sub to Sirius/XM satellite radio which for most is too expensive.

Right now there is a constant stream of repub propaganda piped into people's work vehicles, workshops and farm equipment.

It's way too late in coming, but it's better to start turning this advantage around.

Is it going to cost a lot of money? Yes. It's not going to be easy, but somehow some of the wealthy Democrats need to put their money where their mouths are and get the ball rolling.


Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
17. Spot on.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:00 PM
Nov 2020

We won, but the "landslide" should have been a real landslide--we need to peel off Montana, Ohio, North Carolina, perhaps Iowa...

The Democratic Party 12 month, 50 state strategy has to tap into the emotional component. That's how the 24/7Faux outrage media convinced "reagan democrats" and white blue collar working class voters to vote against their own interests. Emotional outrage, never actual issues.

And, we make the mistake of assuming working class and blue collar of yore are the same folk. That teacher? working class. That nurse? working class. That computer analyst and IT guy? working class. The civil engineer at DWP making $175K a year? Also working class. Anyone who has to work for a paycheck is working class.

Democratic Leadership needs to make sure it speaks to all facets of the working class, and distinguish even the high income folks from the investor class.

There should be the outrage.

Turin_C3PO

(13,989 posts)
22. I think
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:31 PM
Nov 2020

Texas will be easier to peel off than Iowa or Ohio. Those two states are moving in the opposite direction of where we need to be. I do think we could flip Montana in 2028 and North Carolina in 2024 with the right strategy.

Turin_C3PO

(13,989 posts)
25. Florida is possible
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:13 PM
Nov 2020

if we can convince Cuban-American voters that we’re not pro-Castro communists. I know we’re not but for some reason they believe otherwise.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
18. 2 And 5 happend across the whole country . But I think Biden campaign
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:16 PM
Nov 2020

ended up being right with the focus on those 3 midwestern states.

But we do have to with on Texas and as Beto says it needs to be every year and not just before an election.

It would be a good idea for Biden to go to Texas before he gets into office to see what is going on .

LeftInTX

(25,315 posts)
45. The focus on Texas is also important because of down ballot races.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:43 PM
Nov 2020

Texas is going to pick up 3 congressional seats. It will be gerrymandered by the Texas GOP. We wanted to flip the state house and we did not flip a single seat....If we had flipped a few seats, we might have gotten a seat at the redistricting table.

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
20. These are such very, very good points.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 12:25 PM
Nov 2020

Beto is right on. Only the Republicans could successfully ignore a deadly virus, then profit off that obscene negligence by going to voters' homes because they didn't care and we did.

The point about the need for liberal radio raised in the responses here is another outstanding observation. A friend of mine in North Carolina echoed the same idea when I asked her about the election results there last week.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
32. He certainly knows Texas inside and out
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:31 PM
Nov 2020

Beto's expertise on the Texas scene would be very useful to the DNC. But each state is different, and each state has its own weird background history. The DNC can't be expected to know all the ins and outs of each area and state. That's why guys like Beto should remain where they are, running things because their knowledge is so great.

I doubt that he'd be much help in Pennsylvania, or Michigan, but he's pure gold in Texas.


NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
52. Stacey Abrams to head the DNC
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:47 AM
Nov 2020

Beto is great, but I think he may run for governor of Texas in 2 years.

Turin_C3PO

(13,989 posts)
54. You're right,
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:49 AM
Nov 2020

Stacey Abrams would be an even better choice. It’s primarily because of her that we took Georgia.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
35. Exactly but whether AOC, Beto or Jones I appreciate hearing all views that
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 02:02 PM
Nov 2020

push the conversation towards improvement. Acting like this election was in any way a success (other than barely defeating Trump) does us a major disservice, as we can only learn lessons if we are willing.

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. What's this about the election not being "in any way a success"? Facts:
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 04:42 PM
Nov 2020

- We won the Presidency, and not "barely"
- We gained at least one seat in the Senate (won two and lost one that we would have lost under any circumstances), possibly one or two more
- When all the dust settles, we'll lose ten seats in the House, a mere 4% of our current seats, and less than a quarter of those we gained in 2018.

That is FAR from being not being "in any way a success"!

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
49. Happy talk doesn't work on me. The reality is that without a Georgia miracle
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:26 AM
Nov 2020

Biden's presidency will be ham-strung to enact any of his proposals. We also lost ground in basically every state legislature that will draw new maps ensuring both House and State Legislative races will continue to be very difficult. The troubling part is we have been on the losing side for decades withstanding a few bright-spots, and we keep following the DSCC/DCCC playbooks that keep on losing elections, and basically force even our good candidates to hire their hack consultants. We need a wholesale firesale of them and new ideas to stop the bleeding there.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
50. We lose elections because of large white population. As the white population decreases and minority
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:43 AM
Nov 2020

increases we are starting to win more.

It's as simple as that .

We didn't win Georgia because people changed their minds. We won because of demographic changes.

 

liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
55. No, our poor performance with latinos and Asians this cycle shows that we can not rely on
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:54 AM
Nov 2020

demographics alone. We need to appeal to all ethnicities with a stronger economic message, be more effective at countering right-wing framing in both the national media and in social media currents (memes, whatsapp etc.) where once views get normalized are hard to break. We need to stop showing up during elections and begging for their votes, and instead engage full-time and empower the people on the ground with the resources to do this and get out of the way instead of the top down micro-managing which seems to happen each cycle.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
56. There was no poor performance with Latinos and Asians. Asians and Latinos were a reason we came
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:57 AM
Nov 2020

close in GEorgia .

We did get hurt with hispanics and other groups in some states but that was because we avoided a lot of campaigning like the ground campaign and rallies because of the pandemic while Republicans did as usual because they didn't care for safety concerns.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. AOC criticizes Democratic strategy as a whole, advocating for a particular strategy....
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 03:04 PM
Nov 2020

...from coast to coast to gulf coast.

O'Rourke and Jones talk about how to win in Texas, Alabama, and the rest of the gulf coast.

Big difference.

O'Rourke isn't trying to foist Texas politics on New York, Massachusetts, Illinois, or the west coast.

Again, big difference.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
51. Yup, this is why Obama stayed out of Beto's Senate Race
Tue Nov 17, 2020, 10:46 AM
Nov 2020

When Beto was asked about Obama he said positive things about his presidency but separated that from his own run for Senate which he saw as representing the people of Texas . And being about Texas.

Some people that like Obama didn't like this but I explained to them the reasons for it and that Obama understands also and would support that strategy .


Bettie

(16,105 posts)
28. Constant social media messaging on
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:23 PM
Nov 2020

the good that Democrats have brought people would be a HUGE benefit. It would allow "Democrats good" to burrow down into people's brains, down far enough that they wouldn't immediately and automatically accept any stupid lie as truth.

Butterflylady

(3,543 posts)
29. Your last paragraph I have to agree with so much it hurts.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:24 PM
Nov 2020

We do not tell the people enough about all the positives the Democratic party has done for the country. My guess is the majority of this country has no idea. The repugs have been spreading lies about how the democrats are spreading socialism and are really communists in disguise. I did not hear one word about how rump is pandering to Putin or that n. Korean guy.

I know our candidates wanted to tell the people what they intend to do for everyone, but gee couldn't they tell how this country is going toward the abyss and why?

Evidently rump voters don't see what we see we have to tell why. Hopefully some will see the light.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
30. Democrats need a media machine with many tentacles.
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:26 PM
Nov 2020

A TV channel devoted entirely to Democrats and Democratic issues, policies and goals.

Billboards.

Internet.

This way, President Biden and Democrats can push Democratic agenda immediately and unrestrained.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
34. And yet...
Mon Nov 16, 2020, 01:48 PM
Nov 2020

We've made decent progress into Texas in the past 20 years...

2000 -21

2004 -23

2008 -12

2012 -16

2016 -9

2020 -5.7

Trendline suggests it will "snap back" the next cycle, then we have a real chance to win Texas in 2028.

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