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joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:38 AM Nov 2020

Biden shouldn't investigate a single thing.

Biden shouldn't say a single thing about Trump, his administration, his officials, or his people, other than "no comment." Or "I will not be commenting on this subject."

Biden should hire a hardliner like Mueller (I'm not suggesting Mueller, I'm saying someone like him) for the head of the DoJ. I don't know who it should be, but it should be someone who will investigate every single dealing, every single crony bullshit that Trump has done.

Remember, the Republicans spent a hundred million dollars investigating the Clintons under Kenn Starr and his ilk. We need non-partisan, individual actors, to investigate, prosecute.

And Biden needs to not touch it. Not mention it. Not discuss it. "I will not be discussing any investigations that occur under my Department of Justice, thank you."

The DoJ should be separate from the White House, that's the whole point of a justice system, it should be non-partisan, distinct. By being impartial, Biden can bring back faith in the DoJ and in the system itself.

And Trump and his lackey's can wind up behind bars.

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Biden shouldn't investigate a single thing. (Original Post) joshcryer Nov 2020 OP
K&R highplainsdem Nov 2020 #1
That's not a bad strategy. Luciferous Nov 2020 #2
Also, Trump being ignored by Biden and his administration... joshcryer Nov 2020 #3
Agreed Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #7
"that turd" would be a good way to avoid speaking the name of the demon. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #26
One term turd. Meadowoak Nov 2020 #43
That, and Griefbird Nov 2020 #117
Good idea PatSeg Nov 2020 #38
Yep, treat him like a mass shooter. Don't utter his name. joshcryer Nov 2020 #79
I think they call criminals on Criminal Minds "the Unsub" Doreen Nov 2020 #99
Oh yeah PatSeg Nov 2020 #37
Trump Being Ignored By Biden Will Make Him Even LOONIER Skraxx Nov 2020 #69
Yep. Don't utter his name. joshcryer Nov 2020 #114
Excellent, but DEFINITELY NOT Robert Mueller DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #4
Biden has already said something to that effect -that he will not interfere with the DOJ in whatever onetexan Nov 2020 #5
I nominate Hillary Clinton kag Nov 2020 #63
Oh SNAP! The irony! onetexan Nov 2020 #70
Sounds like a plan. rickyhall Nov 2020 #84
But...according to this article... Duppers Nov 2020 #107
Exactly what I believe he will do flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #6
agree the time of vindictive manipulative resident* of the WH is over yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #106
I agree. That would be the best course of action. Arkansas Granny Nov 2020 #8
As I understand it, that's already his plan. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #9
K&R times a thousand! redstatebluegirl Nov 2020 #10
That is how an investigation should go. Biden should direct the department of justice to investigate UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #11
He shouldn't even do that. But he shouldn't tell them not to, either. Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2020 #68
He should not direct DOJ to do anything mcar Nov 2020 #74
I feel the same way mgardener Nov 2020 #12
if Glenn Kirschner is not selected as AG.... RicROC Nov 2020 #13
Agree! He is already 100% on top of it already. UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #21
Excellent idea!!! lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #27
The AG is head of DOJ PatSeg Nov 2020 #45
didn't realize AG and DoJ were the same thing, makes sense, though. RicROC Nov 2020 #85
Unless we get the Senate, he would moonscape Nov 2020 #115
Pretty sure the AG of NY state, TNNurse Nov 2020 #14
The one flaw will be the pardons that will be harnded out like candy. Lochloosa Nov 2020 #15
I can't remember who it was that was talking about pardons that pointed out avebury Nov 2020 #52
I can see this perhaps being a viable strategy, but I must disagree with your characterisation of Celerity Nov 2020 #16
Definitely. joshcryer Nov 2020 #46
For me, the AG will be his most important appointment. kentuck Nov 2020 #17
AG will be a very important post to fill Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #24
Plus we need to re-staff the Elections Commission and make sure their duties are updated BComplex Nov 2020 #64
I was torn between Kamala and Adam Schiff for AG WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2020 #35
I think this is the most important point made on this thread. nt mtnsnake Nov 2020 #58
Leave it to Atty Gen'l Preet Bharara. Or for a fun thought, imagine Chris Christie... thesquanderer Nov 2020 #18
Preet Bharara is a great idea! Not so sure about Christie... lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #28
Preet Bharara or Danny Goldman, lead counsel for the House Impeachment. ancianita Nov 2020 #73
Remember Bridgegate? MoonchildCA Nov 2020 #93
"I don't know who it should be .... " Botany Nov 2020 #19
Preet or Sally Yates! lastlib Nov 2020 #23
Good choices too! Botany Nov 2020 #30
So many good choices - those two are excellent. yonder Nov 2020 #91
An embarrassment of riches... WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2020 #39
I loves me some Jackie Speier too. Botany Nov 2020 #47
Also terrific! WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2020 #71
Heard of this one? Kim Schrier of Washington who is an Astrophysicist and a M.D. too. Botany Nov 2020 #76
Had never heard of her. WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2020 #78
Well it used to be going way back over a number of Presidencies that science and knowledge were .... Botany Nov 2020 #82
Thank you! Biden will be a Chief Executive, NOT an AG. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2020 #20
I vote for the pit bull, Andrew Weissman, gab13by13 Nov 2020 #22
Seems I recall Biden saying he would not interfere with DOJ at all. NoRoadUntravelled Nov 2020 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #29
Agree 100%! CaptainTruth Nov 2020 #31
The DOJ works for the President former9thward Nov 2020 #32
This is incorrect grantcart Nov 2020 #36
DoJ is part of executive branch Nasruddin Nov 2020 #40
Again you are completely ignorant of the firewalls that have been created grantcart Nov 2020 #62
Don't forget citizen blues Nov 2020 #33
Adam Ingersollman Nov 2020 #34
One thing we have to do first, if we get the two senators in Georgia, is to close the loop BComplex Nov 2020 #41
Kirshner has a plan. I think he would go full bore after every traitor in the gibraltar72 Nov 2020 #42
NYS's A.G. will go after and do in Trump. Our Federal A.G. needs to go after all the others. machoneman Nov 2020 #44
I endorse this product and/or service. Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #48
Biden needs to select a total bull dog as Attorney General avebury Nov 2020 #49
I completely agree but I just don't want Biden to utter a thing about this. joshcryer Nov 2020 #50
Absolutely! avebury Nov 2020 #56
I like that! joshcryer Nov 2020 #80
That's really the way it actually works anyway fescuerescue Nov 2020 #51
Trump has upended conventions and changed expectations. joshcryer Nov 2020 #53
I agree fescuerescue Nov 2020 #87
Great post malaise Nov 2020 #54
I've said this elsewhere. I agree... Wounded Bear Nov 2020 #55
That's a great idea seta1950 Nov 2020 #57
Mueller was generally not identified with the AG in the public mind. Important point. empedocles Nov 2020 #59
K&r DesertRat Nov 2020 #60
Works for me! nt SunSeeker Nov 2020 #61
K&R Progressive dog Nov 2020 #65
Justice must be impartial: Evidence found Prosecution. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #66
As long as he never says we will forgive his crimes. We overlooked too much during his four years. Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2020 #67
Kick for reality mcar Nov 2020 #72
I think/hope Joe will do exactly what your are suggesting. mtnsnake Nov 2020 #75
I agree 100%. I've been saying the same thing since he won. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #77
McConnell will not allow a hearing Nictuku Nov 2020 #81
Excellent suggestion. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #83
I agree and would point out that Biden should NOT Sogo Nov 2020 #86
We are all going to be disappointed about this. Lasher Nov 2020 #88
But Joe did say, when asked about investigations into Trump and his administration, Sogo Nov 2020 #89
Yes, that is true. Lasher Nov 2020 #92
I agree. I don't think "scorched earth" is Joe's style. Sogo Nov 2020 #95
I agree Rebl2 Nov 2020 #90
+10000. ehrnst Nov 2020 #94
Very well stated. I've been pleased with Biden's responses so far. The media won't give up trying.. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2020 #96
Exactly, this isn't about "revenge" this is about justice. joshcryer Nov 2020 #98
K&R tccturtle Nov 2020 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author AdamGG Nov 2020 #100
Hillary Clinton would be so karmic--but too controversial crimycarny Nov 2020 #101
Excellent idea! dlk Nov 2020 #102
He should appoint Xavier Becerra, California's AG, who has sued the Trump admin. & won many cases: Liberty Belle Nov 2020 #103
Exactly. Blue Owl Nov 2020 #104
I think Biden is distancing himself from any DOJ actions because bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #105
Excellent suggestion! Nitram Nov 2020 #108
His AG pick will be so crucial-- and we need a hard ass head knocker! LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #109
AMEN and WELL SAID soldierant Nov 2020 #110
"A hardliner like Mueller"? Old Crow Nov 2020 #111
You have to read the Mueller Report to understand my position. joshcryer Nov 2020 #113
I don't understand what you mean by "would've caused a constitutional crisis." Old Crow Nov 2020 #120
Can't indict a sitting President. joshcryer Nov 2020 #121
I see. Thanks for the response. (N/T) Old Crow Nov 2020 #125
Agree Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #112
One point of contention quakerboy Nov 2020 #116
That's how I see it too. ucrdem Nov 2020 #118
I hope the new DOJ gets the hint. warmfeet Nov 2020 #119
Absolutely. Hand it off to the DOJ & say "Do your job." Hekate Nov 2020 #122
As long as somebody does. calimary Nov 2020 #123
Doug Jones is someone Biden should Consider JI7 Nov 2020 #124

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
3. Also, Trump being ignored by Biden and his administration...
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:41 AM
Nov 2020

...will take the wind out of his sycophantic Trumpist movement. Don't utter his name for the next 4 years.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. Agreed
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:45 AM
Nov 2020

His name should never be spoken. If a reference is needed I am sure a work-around can be used such as predecessor or previous administration. I would also never utter the word republican simply find a work around for that as well perhaps like "the other party" because this group has strayed so far from republican values that they should not enjoy the name of the party of Lincoln.

PatSeg

(49,101 posts)
38. Good idea
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:33 AM
Nov 2020

Sometimes what you don't say is as powerful, if not more so than what you do say. Plus you aren't reinforcing "Trump" and "republican" with the public. It is less outwardly combative and antagonistic, while still moving ahead with investigations.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
79. Yep, treat him like a mass shooter. Don't utter his name.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:05 PM
Nov 2020

He is a mass murderer after all with the way he's handled COVID-19.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
99. I think they call criminals on Criminal Minds "the Unsub"
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:18 PM
Nov 2020

in order to not make them feel special. That would bother the hell out of donny.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
114. Yep. Don't utter his name.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:52 PM
Nov 2020

Act as if he never existed. The media can't report on a non-existent entity.

onetexan

(13,171 posts)
5. Biden has already said something to that effect -that he will not interfere with the DOJ in whatever
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:42 AM
Nov 2020

the department investigates, including anything the Con-related.

Duppers

(28,176 posts)
107. But...according to this article...
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:10 PM
Nov 2020

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2020, 05:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Biden signals reluctance to investigate, prosecute Trump for his crimes

https://occupydemocrats.com/2020/11/17/biden-signals-reluctance-to-investigate-prosecute-trump-for-his-crimes/

I take that to mean it includes his administration??




flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
6. Exactly what I believe he will do
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:43 AM
Nov 2020

Biden is no fool. He understands all this. I get that we want blood. But Biden can’t hold the knife, it’s not the presidents job

yellowdogintexas

(22,452 posts)
106. agree the time of vindictive manipulative resident* of the WH is over
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 04:09 PM
Nov 2020

anything making Biden honorable and #45 look worse is fine in my book

GoCubsGo

(32,414 posts)
9. As I understand it, that's already his plan.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:49 AM
Nov 2020

I don't know if he'll hire a "hardliner," but I can't imagine there are any people in his pool of potential candidates who would be willing to look the other way. Not to mention that most of the civil servants who remain in DOJ are likely to be pissed about what Trump did to their department. They are probably already chomping at the bit to expose everything.

UCmeNdc

(9,618 posts)
11. That is how an investigation should go. Biden should direct the department of justice to investigate
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:53 AM
Nov 2020

The DOJ might appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate.

You are right Biden should not be involved beyond telling his DOJ to find out if anything illegal took place.

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,791 posts)
68. He shouldn't even do that. But he shouldn't tell them not to, either.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:37 AM
Nov 2020

He’s not really supposed to have any say in the matter.

It all comes down to who he picks as Attorney General

mgardener

(1,850 posts)
12. I feel the same way
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:54 AM
Nov 2020

The JUSTICE Dept should determine the wrongdoing of the previous administration.
We the people pay for the Dept with our taxes.

Justice for all.

RicROC

(1,211 posts)
13. if Glenn Kirschner is not selected as AG....
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:55 AM
Nov 2020

he should be considered for head of DoJ. He's more of a hard-ass than Mueller is thought to be/have been.

UCmeNdc

(9,618 posts)
21. Agree! He is already 100% on top of it already.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:34 AM
Nov 2020

He is an honest, hard working legal mind. He will work toward the betterment of government.

TNNurse

(6,992 posts)
14. Pretty sure the AG of NY state,
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:56 AM
Nov 2020

Letitia James, has a plan and evidence ready to go. Since no one in the federal government can do anything to stop her....let her get going.

Lochloosa

(16,188 posts)
15. The one flaw will be the pardons that will be harnded out like candy.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:57 AM
Nov 2020

Let NY and other states handle Trump and his family.

avebury

(10,967 posts)
52. I can't remember who it was that was talking about pardons that pointed out
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 AM
Nov 2020

that pardons only cover crimes up to the point that the pardon is granted. It does not cover future crimes.

What are the chances that the members of the Trump family will not commit crimes after he is booted out of the WH?

And handing out pardons like candy will not help members of Congress who might receive one when he/she is up for re-election.

Celerity

(45,220 posts)
16. I can see this perhaps being a viable strategy, but I must disagree with your characterisation of
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:00 AM
Nov 2020

Mueller as a hardliner. He was weak, clearly past his expiry date in terms of overall capacity to function, and extremely disappointing in terms of upholding the constitutional rule of law. At the end of the day, he simply played the role of a cardboard cut-out, whether intentionally or not. I have very, very little respect for his performance in regards to his borderline shambolic handling of the investigation. He was in over his head in terms of his faculties and abilities at that point, IMHO. His final testimony showed him to be a shell of the person he used to be. Not everyone ages out well, and he is prime example of that.


joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
46. Definitely.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:39 AM
Nov 2020

That's why I said not Mueller. But if you read the Mueller report, it is actually a case for impeachment and indictment, full stop. A very, very strong case. He just aged out (hate to say this). And in the culture of imagery and power he was rendered weak. We need someone who is very tough and can handle the bullshit that they spew. Thus 'hardliner.'

kentuck

(111,536 posts)
17. For me, the AG will be his most important appointment.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:18 AM
Nov 2020

There must be justice. Without justice, there is no peace.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
24. AG will be a very important post to fill
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:37 AM
Nov 2020

and I hope it is a pit bull with very sharp teeth, but I think Secretary of State is probably a bit more important. Just my opinion.

BComplex

(8,578 posts)
64. Plus we need to re-staff the Elections Commission and make sure their duties are updated
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:26 AM
Nov 2020

to include some set in stone rules for how many voting places to allow per person in the area. We have to stop this 11-hour wait that some states had. I assume the Elections Commission handles that? I don't know.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,114 posts)
35. I was torn between Kamala and Adam Schiff for AG
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:23 AM
Nov 2020

It was always a toss up for me. I thought picking Kamala as his running mate was fucking great, and Adam was never a "back up" choice for me...they're both pit bulls. (A breed I love, BTW) I've been waiting 4 years to see Trump's head explode on national TV, and having "Shifty Pencil-Neck Schiff" throwing the book at him might just do it. But Preet Bharara would give him fits, too. Damn...we have so much talent on our side of the aisle, it's tough to choose.

thesquanderer

(12,148 posts)
18. Leave it to Atty Gen'l Preet Bharara. Or for a fun thought, imagine Chris Christie...
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:18 AM
Nov 2020

...a case where bipartisanship in staffing would lead to, I suspect, a lot of scrutiny upon one Jared Kushner.

ancianita

(37,079 posts)
73. Preet Bharara or Danny Goldman, lead counsel for the House Impeachment.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:50 AM
Nov 2020

Both are aware of the intel, especially Goldman, and the broad scope of the AG

MoonchildCA

(1,302 posts)
93. Remember Bridgegate?
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:32 PM
Nov 2020

Chris Christie is a revengeful, crooked, bully. I wouldn’t want to see him anywhere near the White House.

Botany

(71,108 posts)
30. Good choices too!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

BTW Joe has been a lawyer and taught law @ the University of Delaware for years
and V.P. Harris has a J.D. from Berkley, was a D.A., California's A.G., and a US
Senator too so whomever they pick I will trust their judgement.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,114 posts)
39. An embarrassment of riches...
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:34 AM
Nov 2020

We have so much damn talent, Biden's going to have a hard time choosing for most offices. I love the idea of Katy Porter as the head of the consumer protection board that Elizabeth Warren started (and Trump destroyed). I'm getting the "warm fuzzy's" just picturing her interrogating the bastards that have been running roughshod over consumer rights.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,114 posts)
71. Also terrific!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:43 AM
Nov 2020

Like I said...an embarrassment of riches. It going to be so nice to have smart, honest adults in charge again.

Botany

(71,108 posts)
76. Heard of this one? Kim Schrier of Washington who is an Astrophysicist and a M.D. too.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:55 AM
Nov 2020

Schrier was born and raised in Los Angeles, California,[1] and earned a bachelor's degree from the University of California, Berkeley, graduating Phi Beta Kappa with a degree in astrophysics. She attended the University of California Davis School of Medicine, where she earned her Doctor of Medicine. She continued on to a residency at the Stanford University School of Medicine. from wiki

WinstonSmith4740

(3,114 posts)
78. Had never heard of her.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:02 PM
Nov 2020

Thank you for the introduction! With those credentials, she's obviously a Democrat. I'm thinking now that a cabinet level position should be created...Science Secretary, or something on that line. Someone who would take all this shit seriously, who could lead real research on stuff like climate change and oh, I don't know...pandemics?

Botany

(71,108 posts)
82. Well it used to be going way back over a number of Presidencies that science and knowledge were ....
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:15 PM
Nov 2020

....the driving forces behind various departments and that would work its way to
cabinet leaders. But all that has changed under recent GOP presidencies.

I remember my father had to go to Asia and he was a professor and knew people
in govt. in D.C. and they set him up with some people from the State Dept. and
he said those people were awesome and got him up to speed on each of the nations
he was going to visit along with briefing books.

Funny, to get the C-19 pandemic outbreak under control we will need "big government"
and we should tell the dumb fucks to piss off.

DinahMoeHum

(22,033 posts)
20. Thank you! Biden will be a Chief Executive, NOT an AG. . .
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:20 AM
Nov 2020

Last edited Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:17 AM - Edit history (1)

. . .and as such, he will delegate that authority.

gab13by13

(22,719 posts)
22. I vote for the pit bull, Andrew Weissman,
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:34 AM
Nov 2020

yes he was on Mueller's team but he stated in his book he wanted to go further than Mueller went.

Weissman took on the mob and that's the kind of AG that will be needed. He knows NY.

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
25. Seems I recall Biden saying he would not interfere with DOJ at all.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:40 AM
Nov 2020

He should stay above the fray. Let the agencies do the jobs they're meant to do without interference.

Response to joshcryer (Original post)

former9thward

(32,641 posts)
32. The DOJ works for the President
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:56 AM
Nov 2020

It is part of the Executive Branch and it is not independent of the President. The President appoints the AG and dozens of top positions in the department. All of the approximately 90 U.S. Attorneys are appointed by the President and they are partisan. Always have been.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
36. This is incorrect
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:26 AM
Nov 2020

Until the Trump administration the DOJ has been independent.

It is against the established rules for a President to communicate with ANYONE in the DOJ on an individual case (like Trump did with the FBI n his NS Advisor).

If a President has an interest in a case the protocol is for the President to communicate to the White House Counsel who communicates with the DOJ counsel who communicates with the AG.

Richard Nixon famously broke this protocol with a comment about Manson's guilt which he had to walk back the next day.

The 90 US Attorneys are political appointees not partisan appointees and there is a very strong record of US Attorneys not acting in a partisan manner. In the Bush administration Rove contacted some (7 if I remember correctly) US Attorneys (violating the established fire walls described above) to get involved in close election cases and none of them did and were fired.

Even more significant was Barr's instructions to all US Attorneys to get involved in local election fraud and none of the 90 US Attorneys took the bait.

Beyond having fire walls the DOJ has maintained its independence by having any political case handled by career attorneys not politically appointed one's.

While the independence of the DOJ has been "bent" prior to Trump it has never been broken even during the Saturday Night Massacre. Under the Obama administration there was no bending and the DOJ worked independently as designed.

That doesn't mean that the administration doesn't have policy objectives that are implemented, like stronger enforcement of civil rights cases, it doesn't interfere with individual cases or the rule of law.

Nasruddin

(763 posts)
40. DoJ is part of executive branch
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:34 AM
Nov 2020

Until it is no longer a part of the executive branch, it and its AG are creatures of the president.

Independent? Remember Mr Nixon. Bobby Kennedy was the president's brother & they were 2 peas in a pod.
I don't know about the others but those are 2 other obvious ones in my lifetime.

Maybe Justice should be in the judiciary branch with some other kind of process for assigning the job of AG than now.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
62. Again you are completely ignorant of the firewalls that have been created
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:19 AM
Nov 2020

that insulate it from partisan abuse.

Just because it is in the Executive branch with a political appointee does not mean that it is a political or partisan agency. The FAA, CDC and FDA are all in the Executive branch but are not partisan or political.

The fact that you have to reach back 60 years to Kennedy proves my point not yours. Following Robert Kennedy's tenure legislation was passed and family members were prohibited from taking cabinet positions.

Nixon fired two AGs in an effort to eliminate the special prosecutor's push to force him to release the tapes. Sessions followed proper DOJ procedures when he refused himself, again showing how protocols create a fire wall be tween DOJ and the WH.

Trump/Barr have waged a partisan war to undermine DOJ independence. On 1/20/2021 we will reverse that and return it to its independent role.

citizen blues

(575 posts)
33. Don't forget
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:13 AM
Nov 2020

There is still a stack of sealed endictments handed down by a Virginia and DC grand juries. NY prosecution will move forward.

What will.probably be the most interesting to watch is how his international creditors are going to descend upon him and his family like a pack of wolves.

Biden really won’t have to do anything. He’ll just need to step aside and let the wheels of justice turn.

BComplex

(8,578 posts)
41. One thing we have to do first, if we get the two senators in Georgia, is to close the loop
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:34 AM
Nov 2020

between the white house, the DOJ, and the IG's. Plus we need to make sure a presidential pardon can never extend to anyone associated with an investigation of an administration getting pardoned, including the president himself. If he commits crimes against any part of the united states, he should never be able to be pardoned.

That a president has ever been able to be pardoned in itself is a crime.

machoneman

(4,079 posts)
44. NYS's A.G. will go after and do in Trump. Our Federal A.G. needs to go after all the others.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:36 AM
Nov 2020

Cabinet members for graft, theft, lying to Congress and far more. All of his press secretaries for lying about EVERYTHING. Betsy DeVoid for favoring greedy loan companies and how she personally profited. Ben Carson, merely for being a stupid dolt!

Members of Congress with Russian and Saudi ties. Trump's entire crime family starting with Kushner, then Ivanka, then Jr....but skipping Eric since he's so, so dumb he could not have done anything wrong!

Oh, and back to press secretaries? Kayleigh McStupid-niny and Kellyskank Spinway need to be incarcerated in an all-male prison so they can spend the rest of their lives talking and lying their way out of...............

Happy Hoosier

(7,661 posts)
48. I endorse this product and/or service.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:42 AM
Nov 2020

Yes, appoint a new independent prosecutor with a mandate to follow the the evidence where it leads. The HANDS OFF.


avebury

(10,967 posts)
49. Biden needs to select a total bull dog as Attorney General
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:46 AM
Nov 2020

and let him/her have at it while staying out of things.

If nothing is done to hold the Trump Administration (and Rethug enablers) accountable for all the crap that they have done that will piss off a lot of Democrats. They have committed some crimes against humanity (tearing children away from their families and either putting them cages or giving them away to who knows what); grossly mishandled the Covid Pandemic; been involved in countless efforts to interfere with the election; treated the US Treasury like it is their own piggy bank; voluntarily and/or monetarily sold who know how much information to our enemies; and so on and so on.

I would like to see people like Glen Kirschner, Preet Bharara, Sally Yates brought into the DOJ. Appoint a Special Counsel to investigate the Trump Administration.

I personally am sick and tired of Democrats expected to be the adults in the room and give the Rethugs a pass in order to try to bring both sides together. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting things to change. They don't and we get chewed up every time.

Biden has a tough road ahead to try to undo the damages caused by Trump, actually make progress for the benefit of the masses, deal with Republicans who will stonewall him at every time and not piss off the Democratic base at the same time.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
50. I completely agree but I just don't want Biden to utter a thing about this.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:48 AM
Nov 2020

It is not his position to do that. It is the position of those who are actually qualified and who have been doing it for a long time. We have superstars, let them shine, and Biden needs to stay far away from it.

"No comment" should be his mantra.

avebury

(10,967 posts)
56. Absolutely!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:57 AM
Nov 2020

He is in the position to totally stay out of it and let the right people handle it.

He just has to stick to "No Comment" and his Press Secretary sticks to "The President is far too busy trying to undo the problems created by the last administration with the COVID Pandemic and our relationships with our international allies to be concerned about the day to day operation of the AG and DOJ.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
80. I like that!
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:08 PM
Nov 2020

I do think the press secretary can make some really good jabs while saying "no comment" so that would be nice to see. Love it!

fescuerescue

(4,456 posts)
51. That's really the way it actually works anyway
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:49 AM
Nov 2020

We don't expect the President to be out there interviewing people.

He hires someone to run it.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
53. Trump has upended conventions and changed expectations.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:51 AM
Nov 2020

People are freaking out about Biden and whether or not he'll prosecute anyone. It's not his job. And it shouldn't be his job. But I do think he needs a hardliner in the position to look in to these things.

fescuerescue

(4,456 posts)
87. I agree
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:59 PM
Nov 2020

But I think that Biden is more likely to follow the path of pardons and asking NY to do so as well.

He wants to lower the tensions not raise them.

Plus Biden doesn't really want prosecutions to be the headlines right during the mid-term elections. Mid terms are always hard as it is.

That's not the way I want it. Just the way I see it.

Wounded Bear

(59,318 posts)
55. I've said this elsewhere. I agree...
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:56 AM
Nov 2020

The President should be "hands off" when it comes to investigations. Just appoint a bulldog AG and turn him loose.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
59. Mueller was generally not identified with the AG in the public mind. Important point.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:00 AM
Nov 2020

barr has discredited the AG/DOJ. Need some separation, ala Mueller type.

Progressive dog

(7,166 posts)
65. K&R
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:27 AM
Nov 2020

All I expect of Biden is that he appoint people who are competent and believe that the rule of law applies to everyone, without exception. I think he will.
Joe is going to end the crimality in palin sight of the Trump term.

Lock him up.

(7,116 posts)
66. Justice must be impartial: Evidence found Prosecution.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:31 AM
Nov 2020
Someone must find the clear evidence and present it to a Grand Jury.

That should not be put in the hands of a partisan branch of the Government.

Was that a mistake by the Founding Fathers? (Another one?)

Imagine if LG was black and poor? He would be sitting in a jail (or worse) right now!

BobTheSubgenius

(11,659 posts)
83. Excellent suggestion.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:39 PM
Nov 2020

Mr. Biden should be seen as 'above all that.' That it's nothing personal that he feels the need for avenging. And then the AG should say as little as possible.

Sogo

(5,189 posts)
86. I agree and would point out that Biden should NOT
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 12:58 PM
Nov 2020

refer to THE Justice Department as MY Justice Department....

Lasher

(27,863 posts)
88. We are all going to be disappointed about this.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:04 PM
Nov 2020

Biden is a Senate creature from the days when comity was real. It's where he's been, it's what he is. He's made it clear he wants to put all this behind us and just look ahead. It's a colossal mistake. He can't get along with people who have a deliberate intention that they are not going to get along with him. I hope he realizes this sooner than Obama did.

And now having rained on this parade, let's remember what a wonderful thing it will be to have Not Donald Trump in the White House.

Sogo

(5,189 posts)
89. But Joe did say, when asked about investigations into Trump and his administration,
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:07 PM
Nov 2020

that he will not interfere with whatever decisions the Justice Department makes about whether to investigate or not.

Lasher

(27,863 posts)
92. Yes, that is true.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:24 PM
Nov 2020

He's made a number of related statements. My opinion is, we're not going to see the scorched earth policies we hope for from his administration. The GOP declared war against us 5 decades ago, but there's a lot of Democrats who still don't know it.

Sogo

(5,189 posts)
95. I agree. I don't think "scorched earth" is Joe's style.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:38 PM
Nov 2020

I personally wouldn't want to see that either....but I would like to see a healthy dose of vigilance in investigating the corruption.

Rebl2

(14,013 posts)
90. I agree
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:11 PM
Nov 2020

with this approach. He will have enough to do and anyway, it’s not his place to investigate or suggest investigations. We didn’t like it when trump demanded investigations now did we.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,320 posts)
96. Very well stated. I've been pleased with Biden's responses so far. The media won't give up trying..
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:40 PM
Nov 2020

to involve Biden in Trump investigations, but Joe's job isn't to get "revenge" for us. It's the DOJ's job to get "justice". Biden and his WH should always direct those inquiries to the DOJ.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
98. Exactly, this isn't about "revenge" this is about justice.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:42 PM
Nov 2020

Trump has upended all rational forms of justice.

Response to joshcryer (Original post)

crimycarny

(1,369 posts)
101. Hillary Clinton would be so karmic--but too controversial
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:21 PM
Nov 2020

I would love, love, LOVE Hillary Clinton for AG but I’m realistic enough to understand she’d be too controversial and would only fire up the right wing base for 2022. Second choice would be Preet Bharara.

Need someone tough, not milquetoast. I worry Sally Yates might be too cautious.

Liberty Belle

(9,576 posts)
103. He should appoint Xavier Becerra, California's AG, who has sued the Trump admin. & won many cases:
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 02:41 PM
Nov 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Becerra

Becerra has been named by Biden as a possible nominee. He formerly served in the White House and knows the workings of Congress. He's a smart lawyer, progressive including on immigration issues, and has been very aggressive in filing many lawsuits that have helped halt some of the worst abuses of the Trump administration on everything from the environment to immigration policies.

I can't think of a better person.

Yes, Hilary would be karmic revenge, but too divisive and it would look too much like payback,not an impartial investigation with half the country not trusting her.

Blue Owl

(52,176 posts)
104. Exactly.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:27 PM
Nov 2020

This isn't really a 'personal' issue -- it's a legal issue involving broken laws, theft, fraud, obstruction, etc.

Let the judicial system do its thing, Biden doesn't have to be involved at all.

bucolic_frolic

(44,630 posts)
105. I think Biden is distancing himself from any DOJ actions because
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 03:59 PM
Nov 2020

1) at this stage it just might slow down the shredding operation at the current DOJ
2) as you say, let it be non-partisan and let if fall wherever it goes
3) I suspect the money trail, that Mueller didn't pursue, that they won't tell us about, that has origins somewhere over there geographically and historically, is so massive that it's been going on for decades, been investigated for decades, and they can only clean it up in bits and pieces lest the whole system, domestic and some international as well, collapses.

But I do read a lot of Robert Ludlum novels.

Old Crow

(2,217 posts)
111. "A hardliner like Mueller"?
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:32 PM
Nov 2020

I don't know how you missed it. Mueller dropped the ball by treating a wanna-be mafia don like a gentleman. The end of his investigation was one of the biggest miscalculations, and one of the biggest disappointments, in the history of the whole Trump saga.

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
113. You have to read the Mueller Report to understand my position.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:08 PM
Nov 2020

It is an absolutely skathing report and extremely detailed. That he couldn't/wouldn't come to a final conclusion which would've caused a constitutional crisis isn't a statement on him as an investigator.

Trump could be indicted federally simply on that report alone.

Old Crow

(2,217 posts)
120. I don't understand what you mean by "would've caused a constitutional crisis."
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:41 PM
Nov 2020

Can you elaborate on that?

joshcryer

(62,300 posts)
121. Can't indict a sitting President.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 11:58 PM
Nov 2020

If Mueller recommended indicting a sitting President based upon the facts of the report, the SCOTUS would've had to get involved, and because he'd already installed two of his own justices, there would've been a question of impartiality. It would've been nasty. They would've deferred to the Senate for impeachment, which the Senate obviously didn't do. Trump would've pardoned himself. Whole nine yards. Our hands were tied.

quakerboy

(13,983 posts)
116. One point of contention
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:56 PM
Nov 2020

Biden needs to preemptively declassify as much information about previous presidents as possible.

I dont think we are done with Bush Cronys yet. Lets give the DOJ (and the population) all the information, and then let them work with it.

ucrdem

(15,700 posts)
118. That's how I see it too.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:00 PM
Nov 2020

Biden ran on replacing Trump, not prosecuting him. That doesn't mean he won't be brought to justice, only that Biden won't let himself get drawn into an interminable pissing match which would become Top Stories #1-20 for the next four years, after which he'd lose in 2024.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
119. I hope the new DOJ gets the hint.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 08:14 PM
Nov 2020

We cannot heal without consequence of criminal action being enforced. Illegal acts are illegal no matter the perpetrator, no matter their position in our society. If bad actors are allowed to move on without consequence we will face much worse in the future. Possibly the very near future - like 2024. I hope we are not just going to put off the worst case scenario for 4 years.

calimary

(82,548 posts)
123. As long as somebody does.
Thu Nov 19, 2020, 01:28 AM
Nov 2020

I know the New Yorkers are warming up in the bullpen.

But I want them cloned all over the country. And I want The Hague to look into what trump had done to all those immigrant children separated from their parents, in many cases forever.

I want EVERYONE and ANYONE who can investigate or is in a position to investigate to GET ON IT immediately, as of 12:01pm on Wednesday, January 20th, 2021.

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