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pink

(497 posts)
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:35 PM Nov 2020

Your constitution needs many amendments.

It was written when times were totally different to today. There was no internet with social media for example. Also, there are many protocols that in recent times have not been followed. They need to be made into law. Also, there should be a law that a president should not be allowed to pardon anybody when he is in a lame duck period.

At the moment, the world is watching in abject horror as to what's happening in your country.

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Your constitution needs many amendments. (Original Post) pink Nov 2020 OP
Got it. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #1
It certainly is a sad state of affairs pink Nov 2020 #4
LOL. nt SouthernCal_Dem Nov 2020 #5
even worse it is 3/4ths of the states. The least populated 13 states can ensure no amendment ever Statistical Nov 2020 #8
I agree... We all do, but we don't have the numbers! Karadeniz Nov 2020 #2
If you open it up to change.... safeinOhio Nov 2020 #3
I'm not the first person to say this, but... Mike 03 Nov 2020 #6
Improving the Constitution, however, can make it tougher for abuses to happen Silent3 Nov 2020 #10
I appreciate your thoughts Mike 03 Nov 2020 #12
At a certain point, it's why blue state secession makes sense. roamer65 Nov 2020 #7
I definitely Rebl2 Nov 2020 #9
like- the era has been ratified by enough states, but not added mopinko Nov 2020 #11

maxsolomon

(33,357 posts)
1. Got it.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:37 PM
Nov 2020

We'll get right on it when we have 2/3 of the Senate & 2/3 of the State Legislatures and Governors. Shouldn't be long.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
8. even worse it is 3/4ths of the states. The least populated 13 states can ensure no amendment ever
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:44 PM
Nov 2020

passes even if supported by 80%+ of the population.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
6. I'm not the first person to say this, but...
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:43 PM
Nov 2020

No matter how good the Constitution is, it doesn't work when people of malign intent and bad faith get into political positions of power. When that happens, Constitutions, amendments and laws are just marks on a piece of paper.

And you've probably noticed, this is also happening in Hungary, Poland, and other nations as well.

So maybe we can learn a few tricks from the EU if they can figure out how you tackle a situation like this when the truth simply has no meaning.

Silent3

(15,253 posts)
10. Improving the Constitution, however, can make it tougher for abuses to happen
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:07 PM
Nov 2020

You're right that even a very good Constitution can simply be ignored, but the tipping point where the system breaks down can be made tougher to reach.

It's too bad that this is largely a moot point since we're nowhere near to votes we'd need in Congress or in state legislatures to change much.

One slim hope I'd have is that constitutional amendments to improve oversight of the executive branch, and the independence of the Justice Department, could be accomplished if Democrats support them, and Republicans can be convinced to look at such changes in terms of the short-term benefit of limiting Biden's power.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
12. I appreciate your thoughts
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:12 PM
Nov 2020

Thanks.



I was looking at how difficult it is to amend the Constitution.

https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_subjects/Constitution_vrd.htm#:~:text=Article%20V%20of%20the%20Constitution,thirds%20of%20the%20state%20legislatures.

Maybe over time the Republican party will recede and become a fringe party, like has happened in some European countries (although, it's scary how large some of them are, and some are growing bigger).

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
7. At a certain point, it's why blue state secession makes sense.
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:43 PM
Nov 2020

If you can’t change the document, the situation just gets worse.

Rebl2

(13,536 posts)
9. I definitely
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 06:55 PM
Nov 2020

agree about no pardons in a lame duck session, nor should judges be voted on by the senate during that period. There should be no firings either after a presidential election by the outgoing president unless someone did something obviously illegal.

mopinko

(70,176 posts)
11. like- the era has been ratified by enough states, but not added
Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:07 PM
Nov 2020

because of a made up time frame not mentioned in document.

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