This isn't going to happen, BUT IF Michigan doesn't certify its results ...

[StarfishSaver]

and doesn't send electors to the Electoral College, that reduces the number of electors from 538 to 522 (Michigan has 16 electors).

That means Biden would need 262 not 270 electoral votes to win - the Constitution requires a candidate to win a majority of the electors voting, not potential electors.

With Michigan, Biden has 306 votes. Without Michigan, he'd have 290 votes.

He'd still win handily.

The only way Trump would have any chance is if the votes somehow flipped to him - which isn't going to happen, either. But even if it did, he'd still only have 248 votes to Biden's 290. Biden still wins.

As I said, that's not going to happen - Michigan will certify its election results and send its 16 electors to vote for Biden. But even if it didn't, Biden will still win, no matter what..

So, everybody, please just calm down.

[Karadeniz]

1. Thanks!!!❤

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I'm calm; just pissed off that any of this is happening at all.

What a clusterfuck!

[Renew Deal]

3. I have mixed feelings about how calm people should be.

On the one hand, Trump will lose. On the other, his behavior is outrageous, undemocratic, and makes the US look like a joke.

[StarfishSaver]

4. People can be as upset as they wish over this mess - I understand that

But it's a waste of time getting worked up because they're worried aboutBiden losing the election because of what's happening in Michigan.

[regnaD kciN]

5. Sorry to burst your bubble...

...but, if Michigan won’t certify, the state legislature will simply appoint Trump electors.

[StarfishSaver]

7. No, they won't

The state legislature has no role in any of this.

Bubble remains intact.

[Cha]

11. TY.. I was waiting for this.. so the

poster doesn't have to be "sorry" about "bursting any Bubbles"!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Legislatures don't appoint electors.

They are appointed by the respective parties - the parties either nominate slates of potential electors at their conventions or else they chose them by a vote of the party's central committee. Once appointed for a particular election they can't be changed once the election is over. Snopes explains in detail: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/legislatures-override-electors/

[dware]

12. Quit spreading this false information,

it's been explained many times what the procedure is if the state canvass board won't certify and your statement has been debunked many times.

[Cha]

15. Mahalo..

[dware]

19. Mahalo Cha!

Sitting here in St. George, UT, beautiful night here, a little chilly, but otherwise, a very nice night.

[Cha]

24. Utah is a beautiful state..

I can imagine.

Sitting here on a cool night in Kauai.. loving it when I see good news about the historical turmoil, bc the Liar says he "won".. Not, Joe Biden, who Actually Got MORE PVs & EVs!

[Turin_C3PO]

18. Not true.

[Thekaspervote]

20. Read the link in post 16...please.

The votes will be certified..there are several options. They really hold no power and can be in a lot of legal trouble if they refuse

[radius777]

43. Michigan will be forced to certify by the courts

should the Repub canvassers on the State Board refuse to do so. They lack reason (or evidence) as to why they believe the results to be in doubt or invalid. There are only a a few clerical errors in Detroit that nearby white counties (which the Repub canvassers were willing to certify) had more of, which are typical in most elections. SoS Benson is correct not to give into the Repub's games as it only emboldens them.

The legislature has no role in this, unless the state for some reason couldn't certify due to a 'failed' election, which again proof to the courts would have to be provided.

[Cha]

6. This is excellent info, TY, Starfish!

I wonder if there are any other states that this could even possibly happen in?

[mr_lebowski]

8. He pulls this off in one place who's to say he can't pull it off elsewhere?

Unless I missed something none of the states Joe needs most have certified.

And regardless, this meddling with the county canvassers and state legislatures is f***ing DEPLORABLE. This cannot be allowed to stand unpunished.

I'll calm down when Biden has his hand on the Bible.

[StarfishSaver]

13. That's not going to happen

But get yourself all worked up if you choose. It won't change a damned thing ...

[mr_lebowski]

14. Thanks. I will. nt

[Thekaspervote]

16. This article at the link may help your anxiety ..please just take the time to read it

https://www.michiganadvance.com/2020/11/10/courts-could-step-in-if-theres-a-deadlock-to-certify-bidens-election/

[onenote]

9. That's not how it works. There will be electors from every state.

See 3 USC Sec.1 et seq.

[StarfishSaver]

17. I've seen 3 USC Sec.1

It does not require any state to send electors.

[onenote]

21. "et seq" "and what follows"

Take a look at 3 USC 12 and 13.

[StarfishSaver]

23. I've seen those sections, too

They don't say what you seem to think they do.

But feel free to explain why you believe they obviate my point.

[Thekaspervote]

22. Thank you Starfish for pointing that out.

Laurence Tribe wrote a lengthy article that talked about this. Funny thing is, I wonder if trump knows that. He probably thinks it means that the votes go to him

[Cha]

25. And, rudy sure can't explain it to him.

[Thekaspervote]

26. Ha!! I don't know Cha...Might have a lot of big words. Like "opacity"

[Cha]

28. Lol! "opacity"! the judge explained

that one to rudy

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. Thanks for always providing a sensible answer.

[Sewa]

29. Yes let's all stay calm and

Have the Republicans run over the top of us again. Just like 2000 and 2016.

The Republicans are counting on the Dems to be calm and passive, so they can steal another election.

[StarfishSaver]

30. Ok

You do you.

[fearnobush]

31. 270 is the magic number regardless if a state fails to submit their slate.

What I’m not hearing anyone discuss is the senate's roll. Remember any one senator can challenge the results which would cause an instant vote where a simple 50% majority would choose. This has already happened as recently as 2004 when Barbara Boxer challenged the results of the 2004 election. I believe the vote was 99-1.

Don’t get too scared, four Republicans have already stated they would not vote to over turn the results. Romney sasse O’Conner and Mulensky

[StarfishSaver]

32. No, it's not

The Constitution requires a candidate get the votes of the majority of the electors appointed, not those who could have been appointed. If a slate isn't certified, those electors haven't been appointed and, as Lawrence Tribe says, the denominator is reduced by that number.

[helpisontheway]

33. The guy on Rachel's show made it seem like there

is a very real chance that the Republicans in Michigan will not certify the results because of pressure being put on them. And he served on that board with one of the Republicans that is on it now. My worry is if Trump does this in several states he could steal this election.

[StarfishSaver]

34. If they don't certify the results, the court will either order them to or certify them itself

And the governor also has the power to terminate them and replace them with canvassers of her choosing.

The result will be certified and Biden will get his 16 electoral votes from Michigan.

[helpisontheway]

35. Well then what is the purpose of Trump summoning then to the White House? Nt

[dware]

36. Because he doesn't know the law and is trying to get them to intervene,

which by MI law, they are barred from doing so and I suspect they'll tell him that their hands are tied.

[helpisontheway]

37. Oh okay.Thank you. Nt

[StarfishSaver]

39. What's the purpose of anything he does?

Certainly you're not assuming that everything he does is based in fact, logic or law?

[helpisontheway]

38. Okay. That is a relief. Thank you. Nt

[Celerity]

40. There are 538 electors, not 539.

[StarfishSaver]

41. You're right - I'm tired

[Celerity]

42. It is so oki. Just remember 538, the website lolol

Hugz