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Trump is in 'desperation mode' as Michigan officials say they can't overturn election for him: (Original Post) UCmeNdc Nov 2020 OP
Just go fucking die now Donald, you fat piece of shit Blue Owl Nov 2020 #1
C'mon KFC and Hamberders!!! nt mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #3
Arteries, clogging... Lungs, gasping... Blue Owl Nov 2020 #75
and I see an abundance of rain and angels are coming from africa! mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #80
That would be the least painful way for him to leave the WH Rorey Nov 2020 #13
If only. Polly Hennessey Nov 2020 #21
I have prayed for that for quite some time. Just a massive heart attack or stroke, unrecoverable. SharonAnn Nov 2020 #30
To paraphrase a Vogon captain, "Death's Too Good For Him!" Fritz Walter Nov 2020 #53
Every. Single. Morning. birdographer Nov 2020 #56
Couldn't have said it Glaisne Nov 2020 #42
Please please please... Lokee11 Nov 2020 #44
That will work. paleotn Nov 2020 #67
I really wish he would. smirkymonkey Nov 2020 #68
You mean that Trump wasted two Big Macs on the MI Republican leaders for nothing? no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #2
He scrutinized the process, personally. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #51
Are those things on the table FOR EATING???????????????????????? He was going to have a load of onecent Nov 2020 #59
do they have his picture on every hamburger???????????????????????????????????????? onecent Nov 2020 #60
Symbolically. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #65
The cardboard containing a Big Mac is deeper than Drumpf. Kid Berwyn Nov 2020 #63
He looks like he's crying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boo Hoo! onecent Nov 2020 #64
So the Speaker might not attend? Mike 03 Nov 2020 #4
Here is his statement regarding the MI vote Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #10
I think this was on the 17th. I couldn't find another date. patricia92243 Nov 2020 #14
And Shirkey DID travel to DC to attend the meeting. hlthe2b Nov 2020 #27
Arrogant POS karin_sj Nov 2020 #54
Except He Is Me. Nov 2020 #37
Thx for posting! Despite experts weighing in last night, many here we're not convinced Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #5
Rather seems to me he's been in desperation mode since the moment the networks called it nt mr_lebowski Nov 2020 #6
If true, corporate media has not mentioned it yet . .. Iliyah Nov 2020 #7
You didn't really think this through in 2016, did you Donnie? NCDem47 Nov 2020 #8
"President by accident" Michael Steele said on Morning Joe this morning underpants Nov 2020 #18
President by Putin llashram Nov 2020 #49
Is this chickens cilla4progress Nov 2020 #26
Reminds me of "The Peter Principle" that used to be much-talked-about. calimary Nov 2020 #55
Was it reported on CNN that MI officials have told him that? The linked article says NOTHING hlthe2b Nov 2020 #9
See post #10 Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #11
That was from last Tuesday--way before Trump invited them to WH hlthe2b Nov 2020 #12
Yes...so ..he stated he can't do anything and that's MI law! Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #16
I've read it and posted it myself multiple times. I'm saying he went to WH anyway so we don't know hlthe2b Nov 2020 #19
It doesn't matter, dware Nov 2020 #17
See my response #19. Don't assume what is not in evidence and we don't know what they intend hlthe2b Nov 2020 #24
+1. Assume NOTHING when it comes to Republicans - constant vigilance is required. dalton99a Nov 2020 #34
IT DOESN'T MATTER, dware Nov 2020 #35
Agree! But seems regardless of the facts and that ALL the legal options are on our side Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #32
I know, it's crazy. nt dware Nov 2020 #36
It is the normalization of fake fraud allegations and incitement of nearly 40 pct of population that hlthe2b Nov 2020 #41
Emergency session of congress to impeach now! MyNameGoesHere Nov 2020 #15
Impeach? dware Nov 2020 #20
Well, if the Senate Republicans SoCalNative Nov 2020 #23
You need 67 votes...quarantine has no effect... No impeachment...doesn't work without Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #38
So "members present" doesn't mean members present? dpibel Nov 2020 #46
Quarantine has an effect: Mitchy said no voting remotely obamanut2012 Nov 2020 #61
Yeah you always turn a blind side to crimes. That's the American way. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2020 #48
I'm not turning a blind eye to the crimes of the Pissolini crime org. dware Nov 2020 #50
He won't go to prison prison prison now because the senate senate senate Maru Kitteh Nov 2020 #29
Thank thank thank you Billy. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2020 #47
Good! Maybe the piece of orange garbage will go craw under his desk or into his bunker. RKP5637 Nov 2020 #22
Will Trump have a Warden Norton moment? Botany Nov 2020 #25
The audacity of Dope. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2020 #28
While he is in desperation mode, there are other folks in documentation mode. FM123 Nov 2020 #31
All he knows is lie, cheat, and steal dalton99a Nov 2020 #33
Why are the top Michigan Republicans at the White House Marius25 Nov 2020 #39
Emperor Donwuld desires fresh lips on his buttocks. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2020 #69
Good! Eat shit Don. nt Hotler Nov 2020 #40
went like this? "sorry, criminal. we won't commit criminal acts for you". Desperation ensues? NRaleighLiberal Nov 2020 #43
The future is approaching Oscarthegreat Nov 2020 #45
They can't overturn the election just for Trump. It has to be for whole state. Hamlette Nov 2020 #52
That is something these idiots don't get obamanut2012 Nov 2020 #57
I think and have for some time that they'll get the two Republicans on the Jarqui Nov 2020 #58
It will not send it to the MI Legislature, that's just plain false info, dware Nov 2020 #62
Read up on the law Jarqui Nov 2020 #74
Did you know this/ dware Nov 2020 #79
A little late to remove them after they vote, don't you think? Jarqui Nov 2020 #81
No, she can remove them because they refuse to do their duty and she can replace dware Nov 2020 #82
I can't stand Republicans. I don't think I've disliked anyone more than Donald Trump. Jarqui Nov 2020 #83
Maybe this will bring our blood pressure down some ... Jarqui Nov 2020 #84
Not correct. If deadlocked, the matter goes to court. Kaleva Nov 2020 #70
I suggest you read the MI election law I cited in my post above ..nt Jarqui Nov 2020 #77
Experts disagree with you Kaleva Nov 2020 #85
The pic doesn't go with the message. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #66
This could only work in AZ and GA paleotn Nov 2020 #71
And, just to note, dware Nov 2020 #72
That's even more interesting... paleotn Nov 2020 #73
tRump bdamomma Nov 2020 #76
So, does he think that if he can convince one repugnant legislature Bettie Nov 2020 #78
Incorrect image on that piece. It was supposed to be this: Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #86
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
80. and I see an abundance of rain and angels are coming from africa!
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:42 PM
Nov 2020

Oops, that was Philly, Atlanta, and DETROIT!!!

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
13. That would be the least painful way for him to leave the WH
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:10 AM
Nov 2020

And he can take his whole fan-Damn-ly with him.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
53. To paraphrase a Vogon captain, "Death's Too Good For Him!"
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:07 PM
Nov 2020

Keep him conscious and aware of his condition and surroundings, but immobilized and noncommunicative.

birdographer

(1,325 posts)
56. Every. Single. Morning.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:32 PM
Nov 2020

For four years I turn on the computer in the morning, go to a news site, and while it loads I chant "Please be dead. Please be dead." Every single morning for four years. I also have my friend, who gets up earlier than I do, promising to text me, no matter what time, if he is dead. I would like to see a fall down the WH steps, or off AF1, many broken bones and a brain injury (how could we tell?). Out of commission. Death is too easy.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
68. I really wish he would.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:59 PM
Nov 2020

I am so damn tired of him and his infantile bullshit. At this point, I would rather see him dead than in prison.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
59. Are those things on the table FOR EATING???????????????????????? He was going to have a load of
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:41 PM
Nov 2020

persons......I hope he eats them all himself....

Kid Berwyn

(14,901 posts)
63. The cardboard containing a Big Mac is deeper than Drumpf.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:46 PM
Nov 2020
Trump is a moron fixated by fabric swatches.

Trump, the billion-dollar loser — I was his ghostwriter and saw it happen


Charles Leerhson
Yahoo.com, May 9, 2019

EXCERPT...

I tend to see my time with him — the first part of it, anyway, before things started going bad in a hurry — as his “King Midas” period. I never said this to him; if I had, he probably would have thought I was suggesting he enter the muffler business. But there was a stretch of months when everything he touched turned into a deal. The banks seemed to accept the version of him depicted in his first book, “The Art of the Deal,” which we now know from his previous ghostwriter, Tony Schwartz, was entirely invented. They believed it over what they saw on his balance sheets or heard coming out of his mouth, and they never said no to his requests for more money. Often they came up with things he could say yes to before he could think of them himself. As a result, a failing real estate developer who had little idea of what he was doing and less interest in doing it once he’d held the all-important press conference wound up owning three New Jersey hotel-casinos, the Plaza Hotel, the Eastern Airlines Shuttle and a 281-foot yacht.

A real go-getter, right? But Trump’s portfolio did not jibe with what I saw each day — which to a surprisingly large extent was him looking at fabric swatches. Indeed, flipping through fabric swatches seemed at times to be his main occupation. Some days he would do it for hours, then take me in what he always called his “French military helicopter” to Atlantic City — where he looked at more fabric swatches or sometimes small samples of wood paneling. It was true that the carpets and drapes at his properties needed to be refreshed frequently, and the seats on the renamed Trump Shuttle required occasional reupholstering. But the main thing about fabric swatches was that they were within his comfort zone — whereas, for example, the management of hotels and airlines clearly wasn’t. One of his aides once told me that every room at the Plaza could be filled at the “rack rate” (list price) every night, and the revenue still wouldn’t cover the monthly payment of the loan he’d taken out to buy the place. In other words, he’d made a ridiculous deal. Neither he nor the banks had done the math beforehand. Or perhaps Trump knew it because someone had told him, but didn’t want to think about it. The one thing he is above-average at is compartmentalization.

Source:

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-the-billiondollar-loser-his-ghostwriter-recalls-the-king-midas-years-090000640.html

And the unstable Moron can’t find a book if he’s in a library.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. So the Speaker might not attend?
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:05 AM
Nov 2020
“Not clear at all that the speaker is coming, he sent word on CNN this morning that he had not confirmed for the meeting, but it’s a different story for the Senate majority leader of the Michigan legislature: his name is Mike Shirkey, and there is every indication that he is on his way here.”

“There is video on social media of him apparently at the airport but it’s not clear at all that’s going to do what the president wants him to do,” he added. “In fact, he’s made it quite clear in a recent interview that he has no intention of overturning the election in Michigan and his office has put out word, in fact, that there’s no provision in Michigan law for electors to be named other than those who would vote for the person who won the popular vote in their state.”

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
10. Here is his statement regarding the MI vote
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nov 2020

Republican head of Michigan Senate says Biden won, legislature won't step in ... link

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/joe-biden-won-michigan-elector-coup-not-going-happen-gop-leader-says

“That’s not going to happen,” Shirkey, R-Clarklake, said in a wide-ranging interview with Bridge Michigan. He noted state law awards electors to the winner of the state’s popular vote. And Biden won the state by more than 146,000 votes, according to unofficial results.

“We are going to follow the law and follow the process,” he said. “I do believe there's reason to go slow and deliberate as we evaluate the allegations that have been raised.”

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
5. Thx for posting! Despite experts weighing in last night, many here we're not convinced
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:05 AM
Nov 2020

There’s more of this to come..

The vote will be certified and Biden will be inaugurated on 1/20/2021

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
7. If true, corporate media has not mentioned it yet . ..
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nov 2020

MI officials compared to MI fucked up republican politicians.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
8. You didn't really think this through in 2016, did you Donnie?
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nov 2020

What started out as a branding exercise/grift, got you into the highest office in the land---and all the scrutiny that came with it.

You could have gone on as a TV personality skating by and under the radar with creative accounting.

Time to pay up.

underpants

(182,793 posts)
18. "President by accident" Michael Steele said on Morning Joe this morning
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

I think that nails it.

Yep. Worst thing that ever happened to him.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
55. Reminds me of "The Peter Principle" that used to be much-talked-about.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:26 PM
Nov 2020

That’s the one about rising to one’s level of incompetence.


hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
9. Was it reported on CNN that MI officials have told him that? The linked article says NOTHING
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:07 AM
Nov 2020

to confirm this.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
12. That was from last Tuesday--way before Trump invited them to WH
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:10 AM
Nov 2020

and Shirkey was seen at airport enroute.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
19. I've read it and posted it myself multiple times. I'm saying he went to WH anyway so we don't know
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:16 AM
Nov 2020

what he actually said or intends to do. It is hardly the first time a Republican said one thing and did the opposite and this guy is not a good guy. Both R leaders appeared with the armed thugs on the capitol steps to threaten action against Whitmer for her COVID-19 restrictions.

Do I think he'll pay a price if he accedes to Trump? Yes. But, nothing in that tweet confirms he won't.

dware

(12,370 posts)
17. It doesn't matter,
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:15 AM
Nov 2020

MI law is quite clear on this, the winner of the popular vote gets the electoral votes and even if the State Legislature were to change the law, it wouldn't be retroactive and no judge will even entertain this nonsense.

I can imagine that they're going to tell Pissolini that while they have sympathy for his position, their hands are tied by MI law.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
24. See my response #19. Don't assume what is not in evidence and we don't know what they intend
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:21 AM
Nov 2020

though I agree that they will face legal consequences if they accede to Trump.


The Rawstory did not confirm what that OP tweet claims. So, to assume this to be the case (that these two R's stood up to Trump or didn't go at all to the WH) is without basis unless it was actually reported on CNN or elsewhere. We know that at least one (Shirkey) was seen by reporters at the airport en route.


dware

(12,370 posts)
35. IT DOESN'T MATTER,
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:01 PM
Nov 2020

MI law is very clear on this, the State Legislature has no role in naming the electors, the winner of the popular vote is the winner of the electoral votes, there is no ambiguity to this.

As I said, they're probably going to tell Pissolini that while they sympathize with him, their hands are tied by MI law.

Thekaspervote

(32,762 posts)
32. Agree! But seems regardless of the facts and that ALL the legal options are on our side
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:53 AM
Nov 2020

The sky is still falling

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
41. It is the normalization of fake fraud allegations and incitement of nearly 40 pct of population that
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:30 PM
Nov 2020

is at issue. And given many of them are incited to violence, I'd hardly call this a minor issue, even if our laws and courts do hold.The longer this goes on, the more damage done. We cannot look away and assume all is fine.

What Trump is TRYING to do DOES amount to a coup. This can never be normalized, with "oh, well, the courts will push back."

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
15. Emergency session of congress to impeach now!
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:14 AM
Nov 2020

All the people saying to just let it go are Wrong. We let tricky dick go without putting him in prison and this is what we got. Prison prison prison prison. This motherfucker needs to go now!

dware

(12,370 posts)
20. Impeach?
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:17 AM
Nov 2020

Ok, the House again impeaches Pissolini, now what?

Where in the Senate are you going to get the necessary 2/3rds supermajority to convict and remove?

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
38. You need 67 votes...quarantine has no effect... No impeachment...doesn't work without
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

conviction and would cause us to los the Georgia Senate seats.

dpibel

(2,831 posts)
46. So "members present" doesn't mean members present?
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:50 PM
Nov 2020

Article I, Section 3, Clause 6:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

I'm thinking that doesn't say two thirds of the total members.

Not that I think it's going to happen or, at this point, necessarily should.

dware

(12,370 posts)
50. I'm not turning a blind eye to the crimes of the Pissolini crime org.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:00 PM
Nov 2020

I just stating the reality of the situation.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
29. He won't go to prison prison prison now because the senate senate senate
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

won't convict convict convict and EVEN IF THEY DID the only remedy offered by an impeachment conviction is removal and disqualification.

Imprisonment would only come after a criminal investigation, trial and prosecution. We don't do that kind of thing NOW! in this country, nor should we.

All that being said, I expect to see that stupid sack of shit in jail eventually. He should have never run for president for his own sake - let alone the world's. He never would have ended up in jail, his kids wouldn't be facing jail, he'd still be enjoying throwing rocks and flinging shit from his tweeter box on the golf course. He'd live out the rest of his days, maintaining his slimy lifestyle by grifting and frauding and stealing his way through everything as he always has.

Pathetic fucking loser.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
22. Good! Maybe the piece of orange garbage will go craw under his desk or into his bunker.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:20 AM
Nov 2020

He is such a cowardly waste. Can't even admit defeat like a man and be a responsible citizen. PS: Take your lunatic cult with you.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
31. While he is in desperation mode, there are other folks in documentation mode.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 11:52 AM
Nov 2020

Every pathetic and disgusting action he takes is documented. History will not be kind to him, and his name will be dirt forever.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
43. went like this? "sorry, criminal. we won't commit criminal acts for you". Desperation ensues?
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:36 PM
Nov 2020

Will this be the first time that the marshmallow circus peanut doesn't get his way?

 

Oscarthegreat

(121 posts)
45. The future is approaching
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 12:48 PM
Nov 2020

Trump can see now that the prospect of spending the rest of his useless leechy life in prison, so now it's about flinging the spaghetti and everything else he can think of against the wall, hoping against hope that something sticks and saves him. To use a football analogy, he is like the quarterback whose team is a touchdown behind, he is on his own one yard line with one second to go. Expect him and his followers to get crazier and even more irretional in the next 60 days., just watch Rudy Giuliani who has redefined insanity.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
52. They can't overturn the election just for Trump. It has to be for whole state.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:03 PM
Nov 2020

As crazy as they all are, that is a pretty drastic step. What, will they hold a new election in the state?

obamanut2012

(26,069 posts)
57. That is something these idiots don't get
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:35 PM
Nov 2020

It would invalidate ALL the votes, not just the Presidential votes. And, Pelosi would be President.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
58. I think and have for some time that they'll get the two Republicans on the
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:36 PM
Nov 2020

board to vote against which will hand the decision in MI to the Republican legislature.

Meanwhile, Trump is probably trying to flip faithless electors his way - probably by the same technique they used to flip Lindsey Graham.

Maybe this is what Trump's plan looks like now:
Stop Joe from getting 16 EV from Michigan
Steal 21 of 290 Dem electors through blackmail, bribery, whatever.
Joe falls short of 270 in the Electoral College
It goes to the House where each state gets one vote ... the Republicans 'should' win.
Trump's criminal charges toll out on the five year statute of limitations.

Democrats should switch out the vulnerable electors or keep their names a secret until just before the vote like they flipped the jury during the Untouchables on Capone.

dware

(12,370 posts)
62. It will not send it to the MI Legislature, that's just plain false info,
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:44 PM
Nov 2020

if that happens, it will go to the court who will then instruct them to either certify or face fines, or the court will certify it, another option is that Gov. Whitmer can remove any board member who violates MI law and appoint a replacement.

The MI law is abundantly clear, the winner of the popular vote is the winner of the electoral votes, no if's, and's or but's about it.

The MI Legislature has no authority to intervene in the electoral process, now, they can change the law, but that wouldn't affect the outcome of the process as any law passed now won't apply as it wouldn't be retroactive.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
74. Read up on the law
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:08 PM
Nov 2020
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(kfjs3ssoziwygfgsty4amrdj))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-168-846
168.846 Board of state canvassers; tie vote, certification to legislature, determination.

In case 2 or more persons have an equal and the highest number of votes for any office, as canvassed by the board of state canvassers, the board of state canvassers shall certify the result of the canvass as to such office to the legislature and the legislature in joint convention shall choose 1 of said persons to fill such office. When the determination of the board of state canvassers is contested, the legislature in joint convention shall decide which person is elected


https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/12/vote-certification-deadlines-ga-mi-wi-nv-az-pa/?arc404=true
If a majority of the four-member state board — made up of an equal number of Democrats and Republicans — does not agree on a winner in any or all elections, state law directs the legislature to meet in joint session and decide. Michigan legal experts think the courts would be likely to intervene before that happened. Nonetheless, this obscure provision of state law, passed in 1954, is getting attention.


No question that Biden et al will try to intervene.

But what is their claim? If the above happens, it is according to the election law. The two Republican board members will cite the Wayne County board members desire to rescind their vote to justify sending it to the legislature. That appears to be their right under the law as the law does not stipulate how they are to make that decision.

MI is low hanging fruit that Trump is going to steal if he can.
Trump is now inviting the Republican state legislators to the White House to close the deal.

Members of the Supreme Court have already telegraphed what they're going to do.

dware

(12,370 posts)
79. Did you know this/
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:23 PM
Nov 2020
Republican canvassers could also be subject to removal for failing to perform their duties, said Christopher Trebilock, a Detroit-based elections attorney who has represented Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.


https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-gop-canvassers-under-pressure-ignore-votes-help-trump

Gov. Whitmer has the power to remove any state board canvasser who doesn't follow MI law and replace them with someone who will.

This would never get to the MI Legislature.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
81. A little late to remove them after they vote, don't you think?
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:48 PM
Nov 2020

What is the Gov going to do? "I don't like that vote. We can't rescind votes. So I just replaced them to give someone else a chance to vote the way I'd like them to vote. How's that grab ya, Supreme Court?".

dware

(12,370 posts)
82. No, she can remove them because they refuse to do their duty and she can replace
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:58 PM
Nov 2020

them with someone who will.

That's well within her scope of duties.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
83. I can't stand Republicans. I don't think I've disliked anyone more than Donald Trump.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 03:56 PM
Nov 2020

What Trump is up to is an affront to democracy, etc. Many more eloquent have chimed in.
What he is doing is pure evil to me.

Having said that:

Their duty is to vote on the results. They can claim that they were moved by the Republicans in Wayne County who wanted to rescind their vote. I wish it were not true or couldn't happen. If they think something is up, whether we agree with them or not, it is their duty to vote accordingly - is it not? I'm struggling to imagine a court upholding what you or her staff member are proposing she will do.

It's a lousy way to have it set up. Other battleground states this year do not do this.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
84. Maybe this will bring our blood pressure down some ...
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 04:03 PM
Nov 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/just-because-an-attempt-steal-an-election-is-ludicrous-ham-handed-doesnt-mean-it-cant-work/
. If the vote in Michigan (or, again, any state) isn’t certified by Dec. 14, the date by which such disputes need to be resolved, electors representing the candidates can meet anyway. In Michigan, for example, Biden’s electors could meet and file their votes for transmission to Congress. Those votes would have a likely additional validation: Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) would likely certify the votes as valid.

That matters because the Electoral Count Act also mandates that any dispute over slates of electors from a state be resolved in favor of a slate signed by the state executive, which in most states is the governor. In an interesting wrinkle, Foley pointed out that the state executive in Arizona may be the secretary of state, due to an oddity in the state’s laws — meaning that a slate of electors signed by the Democratic secretary of state would arguably take precedence over a slate signed by the Republican governor.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
70. Not correct. If deadlocked, the matter goes to court.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:03 PM
Nov 2020

By law, the state legislature has no role in certifying the election or picking electors

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
85. Experts disagree with you
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 06:20 PM
Nov 2020

"Steven Liedel, a Lansing attorney specializing in state constitutional law, said state board members are obligated to certify the statewide results. "If they have complete certified results from the counties, they are obligated to certify the results for statewide candidates, other federal candidates, and state candidates and proposals and issue certificates of election," he said. "They have no other duties or responsibilities relating to the canvass."

Legal experts say that a court could require members to certify election results if they fail to do so."

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/11/18/trump-false-claims-certify-michigan-election-results/3766696001/

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
66. The pic doesn't go with the message.
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 01:52 PM
Nov 2020

He actually looks contemplative. I'm sure he's wondering if he just sharted, but he looks pretty normal.

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
71. This could only work in AZ and GA
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:04 PM
Nov 2020

where the Rethugs hold the state legislatures and governors office. That's not enough electoral votes. MI, PA and WI have laws and state constitutions that plainly state electors are elected by popular vote, period. They would have to change state law OR pass state constitutional amendments. All of which would be DOA at the governor's desk and the Rethugs don't have nearly enough seats in those states to override.

It's more bullshit. A fools dream. Not happening.

Bettie

(16,100 posts)
78. So, does he think that if he can convince one repugnant legislature
Fri Nov 20, 2020, 02:13 PM
Nov 2020

to side with him, he can get others to join in and send it to congress so he can get picked there?

Because Michigan doesn't give him enough EVs anyway.

The unfortunate thing is that he, all too often, gets his way.

Hoping it doesn't happen this time. Given what Mnuchin is doing now, I think they figure he's out.

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