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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump is in 'desperation mode' as Michigan officials say they can't overturn election for him:
Link to tweet
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)Diaper, filling...
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Oops, that was Philly, Atlanta, and DETROIT!!!
Rorey
(8,445 posts)And he can take his whole fan-Damn-ly with him.
Polly Hennessey
(6,795 posts)SharonAnn
(13,772 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)Keep him conscious and aware of his condition and surroundings, but immobilized and noncommunicative.
birdographer
(1,325 posts)For four years I turn on the computer in the morning, go to a news site, and while it loads I chant "Please be dead. Please be dead." Every single morning for four years. I also have my friend, who gets up earlier than I do, promising to text me, no matter what time, if he is dead. I would like to see a fall down the WH steps, or off AF1, many broken bones and a brain injury (how could we tell?). Out of commission. Death is too easy.
Glaisne
(515 posts)better myself!
Lokee11
(235 posts)paleotn
(17,912 posts)Hell, I'd pay big bucks to watch.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am so damn tired of him and his infantile bullshit. At this point, I would rather see him dead than in prison.
no_hypocrisy
(46,094 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,901 posts)Its not like he has anything better to do.
onecent
(6,096 posts)persons......I hope he eats them all himself....
onecent
(6,096 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,901 posts)Each contains a tiny pickle.
Kid Berwyn
(14,901 posts)Trump, the billion-dollar loser I was his ghostwriter and saw it happen
Charles Leerhson
Yahoo.com, May 9, 2019
EXCERPT...
I tend to see my time with him the first part of it, anyway, before things started going bad in a hurry as his King Midas period. I never said this to him; if I had, he probably would have thought I was suggesting he enter the muffler business. But there was a stretch of months when everything he touched turned into a deal. The banks seemed to accept the version of him depicted in his first book, The Art of the Deal, which we now know from his previous ghostwriter, Tony Schwartz, was entirely invented. They believed it over what they saw on his balance sheets or heard coming out of his mouth, and they never said no to his requests for more money. Often they came up with things he could say yes to before he could think of them himself. As a result, a failing real estate developer who had little idea of what he was doing and less interest in doing it once hed held the all-important press conference wound up owning three New Jersey hotel-casinos, the Plaza Hotel, the Eastern Airlines Shuttle and a 281-foot yacht.
A real go-getter, right? But Trumps portfolio did not jibe with what I saw each day which to a surprisingly large extent was him looking at fabric swatches. Indeed, flipping through fabric swatches seemed at times to be his main occupation. Some days he would do it for hours, then take me in what he always called his French military helicopter to Atlantic City where he looked at more fabric swatches or sometimes small samples of wood paneling. It was true that the carpets and drapes at his properties needed to be refreshed frequently, and the seats on the renamed Trump Shuttle required occasional reupholstering. But the main thing about fabric swatches was that they were within his comfort zone whereas, for example, the management of hotels and airlines clearly wasnt. One of his aides once told me that every room at the Plaza could be filled at the rack rate (list price) every night, and the revenue still wouldnt cover the monthly payment of the loan hed taken out to buy the place. In other words, hed made a ridiculous deal. Neither he nor the banks had done the math beforehand. Or perhaps Trump knew it because someone had told him, but didnt want to think about it. The one thing he is above-average at is compartmentalization.
Source:
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-the-billiondollar-loser-his-ghostwriter-recalls-the-king-midas-years-090000640.html
And the unstable Moron cant find a book if hes in a library.
onecent
(6,096 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)There is video on social media of him apparently at the airport but its not clear at all thats going to do what the president wants him to do, he added. In fact, hes made it quite clear in a recent interview that he has no intention of overturning the election in Michigan and his office has put out word, in fact, that theres no provision in Michigan law for electors to be named other than those who would vote for the person who won the popular vote in their state.
Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)Republican head of Michigan Senate says Biden won, legislature won't step in ... link
https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/joe-biden-won-michigan-elector-coup-not-going-happen-gop-leader-says
Thats not going to happen, Shirkey, R-Clarklake, said in a wide-ranging interview with Bridge Michigan. He noted state law awards electors to the winner of the states popular vote. And Biden won the state by more than 146,000 votes, according to unofficial results.
We are going to follow the law and follow the process, he said. I do believe there's reason to go slow and deliberate as we evaluate the allegations that have been raised.
patricia92243
(12,595 posts)hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)karin_sj
(808 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)Theres more of this to come..
The vote will be certified and Biden will be inaugurated on 1/20/2021
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MI officials compared to MI fucked up republican politicians.
NCDem47
(2,248 posts)What started out as a branding exercise/grift, got you into the highest office in the land---and all the scrutiny that came with it.
You could have gone on as a TV personality skating by and under the radar with creative accounting.
Time to pay up.
underpants
(182,793 posts)I think that nails it.
Yep. Worst thing that ever happened to him.
llashram
(6,265 posts)and that was no accident Steele.
cilla4progress
(24,728 posts)Coming home to roost?
calimary
(81,238 posts)Thats the one about rising to ones level of incompetence.
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)to confirm this.
Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)and Shirkey was seen at airport enroute.
Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)Read the link...ITS MI law
https://www.michiganadvance.com/2020/11/10/courts-could-step-in-if-theres-a-deadlock-to-certify-bidens-election/
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)what he actually said or intends to do. It is hardly the first time a Republican said one thing and did the opposite and this guy is not a good guy. Both R leaders appeared with the armed thugs on the capitol steps to threaten action against Whitmer for her COVID-19 restrictions.
Do I think he'll pay a price if he accedes to Trump? Yes. But, nothing in that tweet confirms he won't.
dware
(12,370 posts)MI law is quite clear on this, the winner of the popular vote gets the electoral votes and even if the State Legislature were to change the law, it wouldn't be retroactive and no judge will even entertain this nonsense.
I can imagine that they're going to tell Pissolini that while they have sympathy for his position, their hands are tied by MI law.
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)though I agree that they will face legal consequences if they accede to Trump.
The Rawstory did not confirm what that OP tweet claims. So, to assume this to be the case (that these two R's stood up to Trump or didn't go at all to the WH) is without basis unless it was actually reported on CNN or elsewhere. We know that at least one (Shirkey) was seen by reporters at the airport en route.
Link to tweet
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)dware
(12,370 posts)MI law is very clear on this, the State Legislature has no role in naming the electors, the winner of the popular vote is the winner of the electoral votes, there is no ambiguity to this.
As I said, they're probably going to tell Pissolini that while they sympathize with him, their hands are tied by MI law.
Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)The sky is still falling
dware
(12,370 posts)hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)is at issue. And given many of them are incited to violence, I'd hardly call this a minor issue, even if our laws and courts do hold.The longer this goes on, the more damage done. We cannot look away and assume all is fine.
What Trump is TRYING to do DOES amount to a coup. This can never be normalized, with "oh, well, the courts will push back."
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)All the people saying to just let it go are Wrong. We let tricky dick go without putting him in prison and this is what we got. Prison prison prison prison. This motherfucker needs to go now!
dware
(12,370 posts)Ok, the House again impeaches Pissolini, now what?
Where in the Senate are you going to get the necessary 2/3rds supermajority to convict and remove?
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)keep having to quarantine because they got the COVID....
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)conviction and would cause us to los the Georgia Senate seats.
dpibel
(2,831 posts)Article I, Section 3, Clause 6:
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
I'm thinking that doesn't say two thirds of the total members.
Not that I think it's going to happen or, at this point, necessarily should.
obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)dware
(12,370 posts)I just stating the reality of the situation.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)won't convict convict convict and EVEN IF THEY DID the only remedy offered by an impeachment conviction is removal and disqualification.
Imprisonment would only come after a criminal investigation, trial and prosecution. We don't do that kind of thing NOW! in this country, nor should we.
All that being said, I expect to see that stupid sack of shit in jail eventually. He should have never run for president for his own sake - let alone the world's. He never would have ended up in jail, his kids wouldn't be facing jail, he'd still be enjoying throwing rocks and flinging shit from his tweeter box on the golf course. He'd live out the rest of his days, maintaining his slimy lifestyle by grifting and frauding and stealing his way through everything as he always has.
Pathetic fucking loser.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)He is such a cowardly waste. Can't even admit defeat like a man and be a responsible citizen. PS: Take your lunatic cult with you.
Botany
(70,502 posts)Sorry 2,000 Americans died yesterday because of Trump.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)This damn guy.
He needs an intervention.
FM123
(10,053 posts)Every pathetic and disgusting action he takes is documented. History will not be kind to him, and his name will be dirt forever.
dalton99a
(81,485 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)today?
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)Oh, and maybe they could do him a favor...
Hotler
(11,421 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Will this be the first time that the marshmallow circus peanut doesn't get his way?
Oscarthegreat
(121 posts)Trump can see now that the prospect of spending the rest of his useless leechy life in prison, so now it's about flinging the spaghetti and everything else he can think of against the wall, hoping against hope that something sticks and saves him. To use a football analogy, he is like the quarterback whose team is a touchdown behind, he is on his own one yard line with one second to go. Expect him and his followers to get crazier and even more irretional in the next 60 days., just watch Rudy Giuliani who has redefined insanity.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)As crazy as they all are, that is a pretty drastic step. What, will they hold a new election in the state?
obamanut2012
(26,069 posts)It would invalidate ALL the votes, not just the Presidential votes. And, Pelosi would be President.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)board to vote against which will hand the decision in MI to the Republican legislature.
Meanwhile, Trump is probably trying to flip faithless electors his way - probably by the same technique they used to flip Lindsey Graham.
Maybe this is what Trump's plan looks like now:
Stop Joe from getting 16 EV from Michigan
Steal 21 of 290 Dem electors through blackmail, bribery, whatever.
Joe falls short of 270 in the Electoral College
It goes to the House where each state gets one vote ... the Republicans 'should' win.
Trump's criminal charges toll out on the five year statute of limitations.
Democrats should switch out the vulnerable electors or keep their names a secret until just before the vote like they flipped the jury during the Untouchables on Capone.
dware
(12,370 posts)if that happens, it will go to the court who will then instruct them to either certify or face fines, or the court will certify it, another option is that Gov. Whitmer can remove any board member who violates MI law and appoint a replacement.
The MI law is abundantly clear, the winner of the popular vote is the winner of the electoral votes, no if's, and's or but's about it.
The MI Legislature has no authority to intervene in the electoral process, now, they can change the law, but that wouldn't affect the outcome of the process as any law passed now won't apply as it wouldn't be retroactive.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)168.846 Board of state canvassers; tie vote, certification to legislature, determination.
In case 2 or more persons have an equal and the highest number of votes for any office, as canvassed by the board of state canvassers, the board of state canvassers shall certify the result of the canvass as to such office to the legislature and the legislature in joint convention shall choose 1 of said persons to fill such office. When the determination of the board of state canvassers is contested, the legislature in joint convention shall decide which person is elected
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/12/vote-certification-deadlines-ga-mi-wi-nv-az-pa/?arc404=true
If a majority of the four-member state board made up of an equal number of Democrats and Republicans does not agree on a winner in any or all elections, state law directs the legislature to meet in joint session and decide. Michigan legal experts think the courts would be likely to intervene before that happened. Nonetheless, this obscure provision of state law, passed in 1954, is getting attention.
No question that Biden et al will try to intervene.
But what is their claim? If the above happens, it is according to the election law. The two Republican board members will cite the Wayne County board members desire to rescind their vote to justify sending it to the legislature. That appears to be their right under the law as the law does not stipulate how they are to make that decision.
MI is low hanging fruit that Trump is going to steal if he can.
Trump is now inviting the Republican state legislators to the White House to close the deal.
Members of the Supreme Court have already telegraphed what they're going to do.
dware
(12,370 posts)https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-gop-canvassers-under-pressure-ignore-votes-help-trump
Gov. Whitmer has the power to remove any state board canvasser who doesn't follow MI law and replace them with someone who will.
This would never get to the MI Legislature.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)What is the Gov going to do? "I don't like that vote. We can't rescind votes. So I just replaced them to give someone else a chance to vote the way I'd like them to vote. How's that grab ya, Supreme Court?".
dware
(12,370 posts)them with someone who will.
That's well within her scope of duties.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)What Trump is up to is an affront to democracy, etc. Many more eloquent have chimed in.
What he is doing is pure evil to me.
Having said that:
Their duty is to vote on the results. They can claim that they were moved by the Republicans in Wayne County who wanted to rescind their vote. I wish it were not true or couldn't happen. If they think something is up, whether we agree with them or not, it is their duty to vote accordingly - is it not? I'm struggling to imagine a court upholding what you or her staff member are proposing she will do.
It's a lousy way to have it set up. Other battleground states this year do not do this.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts). If the vote in Michigan (or, again, any state) isnt certified by Dec. 14, the date by which such disputes need to be resolved, electors representing the candidates can meet anyway. In Michigan, for example, Bidens electors could meet and file their votes for transmission to Congress. Those votes would have a likely additional validation: Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) would likely certify the votes as valid.
That matters because the Electoral Count Act also mandates that any dispute over slates of electors from a state be resolved in favor of a slate signed by the state executive, which in most states is the governor. In an interesting wrinkle, Foley pointed out that the state executive in Arizona may be the secretary of state, due to an oddity in the states laws meaning that a slate of electors signed by the Democratic secretary of state would arguably take precedence over a slate signed by the Republican governor.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)By law, the state legislature has no role in certifying the election or picking electors
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Kaleva
(36,298 posts)"Steven Liedel, a Lansing attorney specializing in state constitutional law, said state board members are obligated to certify the statewide results. "If they have complete certified results from the counties, they are obligated to certify the results for statewide candidates, other federal candidates, and state candidates and proposals and issue certificates of election," he said. "They have no other duties or responsibilities relating to the canvass."
Legal experts say that a court could require members to certify election results if they fail to do so."
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/11/18/trump-false-claims-certify-michigan-election-results/3766696001/
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)He actually looks contemplative. I'm sure he's wondering if he just sharted, but he looks pretty normal.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)where the Rethugs hold the state legislatures and governors office. That's not enough electoral votes. MI, PA and WI have laws and state constitutions that plainly state electors are elected by popular vote, period. They would have to change state law OR pass state constitutional amendments. All of which would be DOA at the governor's desk and the Rethugs don't have nearly enough seats in those states to override.
It's more bullshit. A fools dream. Not happening.
dware
(12,370 posts)any law passed would not affect this election, it wouldn't be retroactive.
paleotn
(17,912 posts)Hadn't thought of that. Thanks!
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)is in full meltdown mode!!!!! He has got to go.
Bettie
(16,100 posts)to side with him, he can get others to join in and send it to congress so he can get picked there?
Because Michigan doesn't give him enough EVs anyway.
The unfortunate thing is that he, all too often, gets his way.
Hoping it doesn't happen this time. Given what Mnuchin is doing now, I think they figure he's out.