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https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-wisconsin-elections-dcb7da95578fc7289122c6d372575a9bWisconsin officials: Trump observers obstructing recount
By MICHAEL TARM
MILWAUKEE (AP) Election officials in Wisconsins largest county accused observers for President Donald Trump on Saturday of seeking to obstruct a recount of the presidential results, in some instances by objecting to every ballot tabulators pulled to count.
Trump requested the recount in Milwaukee and Dane counties, both heavily liberal, in hopes of undoing Democrat Joe Bidens victory by about 20,600 votes. With no precedent for a recount reversing such a large margin, Trumps strategy is widely seen as aimed at an eventual court challenge, part of a push in key states to undo his election loss.
A steady stream of Republican complaints in Milwaukee was putting the recount far behind schedule, county clerk George Christenson said. He said many Trump observers were breaking rules by constantly interrupting vote counters with questions and comments.
Tim Posnanski, a county election commissioner, told his fellow commissioners there appeared to be two Trump representatives at some tables where tabulators were counting ballots, violating rules that call for one observer from each campaign per table. Posnanski said some Trump representatives seemed to be posing as independents.
At one recount table, a Trump observer objected to every ballot that tabulators pulled from a bag simply because they were folded, election officials told the panel.
Posnanski called it prima facie evidence of bad faith by the Trump campaign. He added later: I want to know what is going on and why there continues to be obstruction.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Response to Marie Marie (Reply #5)
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Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)expressing outrage at the never ending chaos coming from Trump and just needed to vent. It was not my intent to offend any one with my post.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)ailsagirl
(22,896 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)argyl
(3,064 posts)I am also just sick to death of this orange asshole. I just want him gone. Two more months of this filthy creature in the White House. I survived four years of this monster so I guess I can survive the last two months of this wretched thing.
The politest name I use for it is The Dotard. Kim's a third generation horror show and despicable bastard but the name's perfect.
MIRT does a hell of a job yanking offensive postings. Good to see they Xed out another Dotard humper.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)Enough of this ridiculous bullshit, Trump.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Tech
(1,771 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Theyre by no means confined to Wisconsin.
DFW
(54,370 posts)Joe McCarthy was one, James Sensenbrenner is one, Scott Walker is one.
Paul Ryan was mild by comparison, if that is any indication.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Yeah... Russian Ron is quite toxic.
DFW
(54,370 posts)Watch this Robin Vos guy, I'm afraid he a future trump like candidate. This guy is scary and stupid, ring a bell?
Windy City Charlie
(1,178 posts)So it can't get certified
Barbara2423
(460 posts)The media is falling for the trick - again.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)they're getting rich from it, I'm sure.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)In one sentence you say arrest them. In another you say the media is falling fir it. What do those two things have to do with each other and what would you arrest them for? It will have to go to court.
kacekwl
(7,016 posts)to charge overtime/double time for their efforts to obstruct. This dog and pony show is being recorded I hope.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)by aping the bullying tactics of their master. What dark days for the old republic! May we all hang on in the midst of this suffering until we see the rosy fingered dawn of January 20th.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Some "conservatives" like to insist we're a republic, saying democracy is "mob rule" but "mob rule" is actually "control of a political situation by those outside the conventional or lawful realm, typically involving violence and intimidation."
Tell me that is not what we are looking at.
wnylib
(21,446 posts)saying something profound when they claim that this is a republic and not a democracy. A republic is a representaive democracy, which is one form of democratic government. A parliamentarian constitutional government is another form of democracy. Democracy is rule by the choices of the people, from the bottom up versus top down rule of a dictatorship or absolute monarchy.
klook
(12,154 posts)DFW
(54,370 posts)In the case of some Republicans, evidently none whatsoever.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Obstruct the recount all they want. It does nothing to change the outcome.
Retrograde
(10,136 posts)That's why they keep trying to pack the counting locations with their minions, claiming their just "observers"
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Without commentary on a local television feed. Just a caption identifying the individuals involved.
This kind of disruptive behavior thrives in a anonymity.
Assholes hate being identified.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, local TV News web pages...anywhere and everywhere.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)totally expected.
Nevilledog
(51,094 posts)AleksS
(1,665 posts)For lunch, and didnt return for HOURS. And they stopped the counting while the observers were gone. And when the observers returned, it was dudes in suits, throwing objections around like fools.
One was harassing my wife while she counted. Talking smack, taking pictures and videos.
Today was more of the same. Arriving late. Making ridiculous demands. Just being assholes.
They are not good people.
crickets
(25,969 posts)The poll workers shouldn't have to stop counting just because the people who claim to want to observe don't show up on time. I'm sorry they're having to go through this. Please thank your wife for all of her hard work. It is appreciated.
AleksS
(1,665 posts)I don't understand it at all.
They're ALLOWED to be there, not REQUIRED to be there. It's a privilege that they are granted the opportunity to observe. If they don't show up, that's on them. But of course, everyone always has to bend over backwards for the trumpies.
On a funnier/sadder note, one trump observer today was flagging ballot after ballot after ballot, but what she hadn't noticed is that the stack of ballots she flagged were all Trump votes. SO when they were handed to the election official and observer to take to the challenge room, and the observer saw she had challenged all Trump votes, she suddenly had a change of heart, reconsidered, and decided those ballots looked good, and didn't need to be challenged after all. Oopsie. Your motivation is showing...IOKIYAR. What's OK for a trump ballot, just isn't ok for a Biden ballot.
crickets
(25,969 posts)Thank goodness this will all be over soon.
world wide wally
(21,742 posts)and when you put them in the police car, don't be too gentle.
RockCreek
(739 posts)TryLogic
(1,723 posts)Obstructing democracy?
Attempt to obstruct lawful constitutional process, function, or procedure?
Conspiracy to obstruct lawful constitutional process, function, or procedure?
Treason - The crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)this would be prosecuted as Treason. The asshole committing this crime would be removed from office immediately, pending official proceedings.
It feels sooooooooooo good to be number 1. Sure does feel, and smell, like number 2.
58Sunliner
(4,386 posts)This is planned and coordinated to drag out the count and alter results.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)bluestarone
(16,926 posts)If they are continue coming late the door will STAY LOCKED!!!
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)stand, they are only obstructing themselves.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)I remember some articles about the chaos his lawyers caused for the recount, and even the Jill Stein observers were frustrated because the Trump nuts were challenging every Democratic vote.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)They are hoping that, by being that objectionable, that voting officials will...what? Make mistakes? Concede points or ballots because they are so worn out by constant arguing?
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)gulliver
(13,180 posts)Publicity for their attack on democracy. Not to ensure or change the count. They were buying a chance for their "observers" to raise a stink and create these news stories for Fox and other outlets.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts)obviously white asses behind that line.
Keth
(184 posts)reminded me when Dolly Parton said something along the lines that "our little white asses aren't the only ones that matter.."
but, seriously. Don't they have rules for the recount and if the the rules aren't followed then you kick them out on "their little white asses."
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,956 posts)Their logic escapes me.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)Yes, it is racist when you only pick counties that have large black populations to recount in. Seems to me there needs to be some black voters come forward in Wisconsin, like they are doing in Michigan, and get this stopped.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)1) Remove them if they obstruct. Remove anyone beyond the allowable per table. Tell the county party they can replace them but if they do the same they will be removed.
2) Allow it to continue and Trump campaign will have to pay any additional costs for the recount.