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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMicheal Steele Just Turned
On Joy's show. He just signaled the flip back to normal republican politics when the ink wasn't even dry on the GSA paperwork.
He started arguing with Joy, defending people like Mike Lee and getting in a dig on AOC for good measure.
For her part Joy enthusiastically defended AOC as truly caring about not just her constituents but all Americans should have a Thanksgiving meal and food for every other day.
It was stark. That friendly joking Michael was not there anymore.
I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times again: FUCK REPUBLICANS.
HAB911
(8,922 posts)msongs
(67,465 posts)out to them
groundloop
(11,528 posts)We should give them just as much cooperation and consideration as they extended to President Obama....... ZERO.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)montanacowboy
(6,107 posts)And now we have on Doug Jones extolling the virtues of the Republicans how they aren't as bad as we think, and they are honorable people and Joe will find a way to work with them.
FUCK THIS FUCKING SHIT, HERE WE GO AGAIN. WHEN OH WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN/??????? FUCK YOU MICHAEL STEELE
drray23
(7,638 posts)he made the point that in deep red states people who vote for the crazy gopers believe they are good for them just as AOC's voters do. Essentially we have big divisions.
He was also saying that our party being a big tent party has frictions between strong liberals like AOC and others. We see it play out every day on twitter. The repubs tend to fall in line.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)angrychair
(8,748 posts)But yours is the most charitable interpretation of that exchange between them.
It was stark in comparison to past exchanges.
drray23
(7,638 posts)You might be right but time will tell for sure.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)That's exactly what he was saying.
BannonsLiver
(16,531 posts)I assumed the characterization by the OP was biased and inaccurate based on previous posts about TLP and others. It appears that was the case.
DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)but get rid of the progressive label. We are the Democratic Party. Some of us lean more left than others. Hash ideas out without having some divisive wing.
Evolve Dammit
(16,788 posts)PTWB
(4,131 posts)If everyone in politics believed as she does we would be far better off as a society.
onecaliberal
(32,940 posts)Zip, zilch, nada, NONE.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Bettie
(16,134 posts)there are none.
I don't care if they say "Well, I don't like most of their policies, but I don't want to pay taxes!" or
I am "pro-life" or
Any of the fucking excuses they have.
The fact is that if you are a Republican you are OK with racism, misogyny, anti-LGBTQIA people having civil rights...the telling thing is that they hate far too many groups of people to even easily list. Oh, and they love KKK and Nazis.
onecaliberal
(32,940 posts)I am against that and those who stand for it in every way, shape, form and fashion.
onecaliberal
(32,940 posts)I am against that and those who stand for it in every way, shape, form and fashion.
a kennedy
(29,728 posts)onecaliberal
(32,940 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)There has to be some literate Republicans.
I am grateful for the Lincoln Project's help in getting rid of the Orange Plague. I never expected them to turn into Democrats or anything like that. I remember watching Michael Steele on Joy's show before the election and thinking "This is really nice. Too bad it can't last."
LakeArenal
(28,863 posts)But Im sure Steve Schmidt will and his barbed opinions will now be directed at Dems.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Now that Idiot is gone, these people may slowly start cycling back to their roots.
oregonjen
(3,343 posts)What did she say?
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)highplainsdem
(49,059 posts)bdamomma
(63,940 posts)how Joy supported AOC. I would have done the same thing.
Can't change repig spots.
C_U_L8R
(45,027 posts)But he's not going to be getting any Democratic consulting gigs. I'm not blaming him for going back home to find some work. We'll see if he stick with his morals.
Fpj
(11 posts)ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!!!
dem4decades
(11,310 posts)Fla Dem
(23,809 posts)He gets his digs in against Democrats every chance he can.
He does. I believe it will get worse now.
Barbara2423
(460 posts)richdj25
(164 posts)He's using Republican spread to butter his bread. He obviously can't cut it in Democrat circles, because not smart enough to embrace/comprehend what constitutes real policy decisions. In GOP circles, he doesn't have to think about policy.........just stay the course as a token, ,
Mr. Sparkle
(2,953 posts)wait until the media turn on the Biden administration in the next few months. There is no left wing media, we have no media.
marble falls
(57,397 posts)Kitchari
(2,168 posts)With gusto.
I figured as soon as Biden got in they would start tearing him down.
ananda
(28,888 posts)I always put him on mute when he comes on..
or change the channel.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)He has far too high an opinion of himself.
mdbl
(4,976 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)Never Trump republicans are still republicans.
bucolic_frolic
(43,393 posts)what these never-Trumpers will try is to push away the left and lead their Main Street Republicans in the way they always did. But they will find their ranks thinned, little cooperation, and no power. They are trying to lead a restoration that's not there anymore.
bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)calclar
(55 posts)...IS NOT A LEGITIMATE USA PARTY. THEY ARE, AND HAVE BEEN A MINORITY RULE PARTY SINCE REAGAN/THATCHER. JUST LOOK AT THE ELECTORAL VS. PARTY/NATIONAL VOTE SINCE REAGAN. LOOK AT REDISTRICTING, GERRYMANDERING, VOTER SUPPRESSION!!!!!!
THEY STAND AGAINST EVERYTHING THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SEE AS ESSENTIAL.... SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, ETC, ETC, ETC...
aggiesal
(8,940 posts)calclar
(55 posts)...I'VE BEEN HERE FOR AWHILE BUT HAVE FOUND A KINDERED SPIRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ecstatic
(32,754 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,027 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,157 posts)What was REALLY telling was when the "never Trumpers" would whine about Trump but would turn right around and start pining away for the good old days of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush. . . Yeah, THAT is how we ended up with Pussy-Grabber.
I don't regret the Lincoln Project ads, but they are STILL repigs at heart.
kyburbonkid
(251 posts)to bad.
LiberalBear
(24 posts)Now I don't trust a rethuglican any farther than I could kick one the size of fat ass Chris "Roadblock" Christie, but politics has a reality and American democracy is about compromise and vote counting. Joy has it wrong and Steele has it right, and I cannot believe I am typing this but hear me out. REALITY: rethugs hold seats in the senate and congress. COMPROMISE: see Obama care, not the single payer I wanted but the program that could get the votes to pass....and it has helped a lot of people so not a touchdown pass but a first down. I am not saying we give into rethugs in any way shape or form, but if one or two join us to get background checks expanded or vote to pass Covid relief, or join to pass some immigration reform am I going to say no thanks, I do not trust you? No, I am going to say thanks for your vote on this bill, take what I can get, and move on knowing the same rethug will likely be fighting me tooth and nail on tax increase for millionaires and raising the social security cap.....because this is the reality and history of American political battle. We are not asking these rethugs to literally go to battle with us and protect our flank, of course they will not do that, but if we can get a few here and there, however unlikely, to join us in an isolated vote for which they feel either morally compelled (unlikely) or constitutent compelled (more likely), then hell yeah. I will hold my nose and take their vote, cause votes matter, votes effect change (see 2020 election) and votes prevent backassward moves (see McCain thumbs down on Obamacare repeal). Did I like or agree with McCain, shit no, but I celebrated his no vote! Do I agree with vulture capitalist Mitt Romney, of course not, but I welcomed his vote to hear witnesses in Senate impeachment trial. So, Joy, like the Trumpers she hates, has it wrong. American democracy works best when we do not adhere to broad brushed litmus tests but when we focus on getting and then cashing in the votes, even if the deciding vote comes from the other side. Pelosi is right to tell AOC (who I totally adore) that if she wants progressive policies go get the votes. This is how it works people. This is how it was designed to work. Look at Georgia, we got the votes, and I promise you I do not care if some of those votes were from disgruntled republicans who voted for Biden for whatever reason cause it doesn't matter why it just matters that the vote was in our column. So, don't trust the rethugs, don't ever turn a blind eye, maintain constant vigilance for their deficit busting, tax cutting, public infrastructure degrading, selling of the public square to corporatist donors.....but if one rogue Mike Lee wants to vote with us in a moment of WHATEVER, I will welcome that vote and for a brief, albeit very very brief moment, welcome him to the cause at hand......because this is how the system works.
angrychair
(8,748 posts)Fuck Republicans. Always and forever. Every. Single. One.
There is a funny thing about how compromise works in the real world, especially when Republicans are involved. The saying goes:
Compromise is great as long as you are not the one being compromised.
The people being "compromised" way to often are PoC, the poor and other disenfranchised peoples. Especially when Republicans are involved.
It is impossible, in my opinion, to move forward and pretend to ignore the very real harm that Republicans have done to the ideals of responsible government
That trump has done. Their sycophantic, cultish devotion to trump. Their overt grifting and abuses of power
None of this, nothing Republicans have done this last 4 years, is normal and no one should pretend that it is. Ever.
LiberalBear
(24 posts)I cannot agree more.....but I will still welcome a rethug vote if and when I can get one.
ShazzieB
(16,569 posts)I was nodding my head as I read your post. Nothing you said equals ignoring the harm Republicans have done or pretending they are perfect.
Jakes Progress
(11,123 posts)But I won't give away social security to get their vote. (Extreme example)
The reality you spoke of is the reality of 20 years ago, before mcconnell and his ilk. The republican elected in the last 20 years have no honor and are too afraid of their bosses to be reasonable. Obama trie for the first four years to be the uniter. It was in his nature. But I think by the end of his second term he had learned that that stuff doesn't fly any more. I hope that Joe will not think that he can rely on the good will of republicans to come together and help the country.
We will see right away if some republicans will be reasonable. Wish I were wrong, but I don't think so.
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)I think that most mainstream Democrats who don't post on this forum would agree with you.
While I will never forgive the repubs like McConnell and Graham and the rest of their ilk, I will always remember the ones who spoke out against Trump including Michael Steele and Joe Scarborough who seems to be another one taking a beating around here lately. How soon some people forget....
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Whats left of the Repuke party is going to rip itself apart.
Jimvanhise
(304 posts)The Affordable Care Act passed without a single Republican vote. They are proud of that fact and they boast about it. And Michael Steele lead the charge against the Affordable Care Act and attacked it mercilessly. During the Obama administration the RNC told its members that if anyone compromised with the Democrats that they would receive no campaign funds from the RNC.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)Doug Jones is a southern Democrat who has to finish out his remaining 2 months and try to get some work done. He's a good man and outnumbered Democrats have to talk nice about the other side having good people with good intentions. His values are still intact.
live love laugh
(13,171 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,572 posts)Finally get sick of being irrelevant and impotent and thought that throwing some verbal punches might bring some attention his way. F him. Twice.
Woodycall
(259 posts)You can take the Nazis out of the country, but you can't take the Nazi out of the Nazis... (Little turn of an old advertising slogan).
Ferrets are Cool
(21,111 posts)power corrupts.
Azathoth
(4,611 posts)Unlike nearly every other Republican, he had the courage to criticize his party and endure career-ending abuse when they turned themselves into a death cult.
He's still an opponent, but he's one of the few opponents who have some core principles.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)They would water down the agenda that makes us Democrats and try to move us further right. They have a different idea of how to govern and what our priorities should be. That is OK on its own - they have differing beliefs. But that is the Republican viewpoint and does not belong in the Democratic party.
Now that Trump is gone, we will see how all of these never Trumpers behave. I didn't see the mentioned segment but it looks like, from what has been posted, we are getting a glimpse into what that behavior will be. Disappointing but not surprising. I will be real curious to see how Nicole Wallace will be in the future. She is intelligent and want to believe that she has seen the light but then I have to remind myself that she worked for and supported Bush. I guess we will soon see.
PCIntern
(25,612 posts)His job is to rescue the Rethug Party from Trump.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)lastlib
(23,340 posts)It's why the word "republican" falls between "reptile" and "repulsive" in the dictionary.
NEVER trust one who doesn't have a stake through where its heart should be.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Hearing Kasich as well, with similar talking points.
The Never Trumpers and the other Republican cast outs from the Trump Party, are not only unsatisfied with finding bipartisanship, they want to influence how the Democrats make up their administration, and what kinds of policy they will put forward. They want to help to control the Democratic party from outside, with criticisms, and fear mongering to convince Biden and his advisors that going right instead of left will be better for them.
Coventina
(27,217 posts)They were never, are not, and never will be our friends.
R B Garr
(16,998 posts)the party divisions and talking points handed to them on a silver platter...5 years ago,
Xolodno
(6,408 posts)He was and still is a Republican. Trump isn't a Republican, he's Trump. This was like joining forces with the Soviets during WWII, neither side trusted each other, but worked together to fight a bigger menace, the Nazi's.
IronLionZion
(45,580 posts)it's great that GOPers will agree with us once in a while on issues like Trump or racism or whatever but otherwise they will still always be GOPers on most other issues.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)UTUSN
(70,765 posts)CrispyQ
(36,544 posts)tell us what to do, or start chortling about the deficit, they are wrong. It will be interesting to see how Nicole Wallace handles the change in administration & if she can hang on to her viewership if the network decides to start disparaging the dems.
Warren_Pointe
(328 posts)but he knows they don't want him.
Bye, Felicia!
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)He disagrees with AOC?
What a betrayal.
Redleg
(5,860 posts)I used to be a Republican back in the 80s. My transition to liberal democrat didn't occur all at once. First I had to start to dis-affiliate with the GOP. For me, this was triggered by the Iran-Contra scandal and Col. Oliver North's actions. At that time I was a newly commissioned 2LT in the Army. There had been a time when I thought that ratfucking for a good cause was fine- a very utilitarian view on politics and governance. But Oliver North's violation of his military commission and oath caused me to think about what my commission meant and what my duties and obligations were in that regard. I became sickened by whole Iran-Contra affair, especially in how the GOP created "heroes" out of law-breakers and oath-breakers. I began to distance myself from the GOP and to question what I saw as their principles and values.
I didn't suddenly join the Dems though, I thought of myself as an independent and open-minded person. I still had some of my pro-right biases but I was more willing to listen to other voices since I had left the GOP echo chamber. After I completed my active duty service I went to work on my Masters degree and that experience gave me a broader perspective about many things, especially the economy and workplace issues. I was becoming more liberal in my thinking. Instead of arguing with my Democrat dad, I found myself agreeing with him more. At that time Bill Clinton was president and although I hadn't voted for him the first time, I was quite angry with how many of my right-wing co-workers spoke about him and Hillary. I was appalled by the kind of things that people like Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gringrich were saying and I became firmly convinced that the GOP was becoming a party of extremists. So I changed my party affiliation, voted for Clinton in the second election and have supported Democrats ever since. The GOP has continued to move farther to the right and now they are as extreme as some of the most extreme right-wing parties in other countries.
The point of my long post is that it takes time for people to change. If we use social identity theory as a framework to understand political affiliation, then a person first has to dis-affiliate with their party. Strong social identity with a group tends to produce two types of biases- a bias towards the group one identifies with and a bias against a group or groups seen in opposition to one's own group. Over time, as they leave the echo chamber, they get more information from other sources, and if they are open-minded and motivated enough, might suppress their biases sufficiently to consider this new information and inform their own judgments. Some people, likely Michael Steele, still sees himself as a conservative whose party has abandoned him. He hasn't abandoned the what he sees as the core principles and values of conservatism, he still identifies with those values. I believe that never-Trumpers who still call themselves conservatives are not likely to ever become democrat-adjacent.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)That will never change. Orientation isn't a shirt to be changed, it's wired into us, including him.
All older people were born into a nation of stability and wellbeing we thought would always be built on. Today, our only hope for restoring that lost reality is for MODERATE conservatives to once again become dominant in the conservative party of the future. Liberals and conservatives have to be able to unite in solid majorities to defeat extremism.
The way we did and the way it used to be. Before we came to realize that "it" not only (unbelievably!) CAN happen here but IS happening.
All those who are not determined to form that majority are part of a very dangerous problem. The more people badmouth the entire right, the more they help feed the fires of the far right.
sandensea
(21,692 posts)During the Inquisition, anyone with any Semitic features was automatically suspect as being Muslim or Jewish - a finding tantamount to ruin or outright death.
So it became commonplace for people with such features to become adamant in their right-wing Catholic views - as a defense mechanism.
Sometimes deliberately; other times more out of an emotional need to belong (as well as fear of being outed).
And so it is with minority Republicans today:
They know they are suspect the second they walk into any room full of "master-race" type Republicans - and thus try that much harder to prove themselves.
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)sandensea
(21,692 posts)They use they GOPee for career advancement - and the GOPee uses them as props.
Beats paying locals $50 to show up at the conventions.
CTyankee
(63,914 posts)need them any more to bolster our case. I believe we have brilliance in our party and I can't wait to see how much they accomplish. These turncoat republicans were useful, for sure, at one time. But now we have a new set of talent, raring to go. It's a new day.
sandensea
(21,692 posts)And they still couldn't get Cheetolini re-elected.
Because in the end, competence matters - and incompetence shows.
Here's to them.
Jakes Progress
(11,123 posts)Morning Joke started his pivot on election night with lies about his time in the party of evil.
Just remember who gave us reagan, both bushes, cheney, gingrich, cruz, (gosh but the list goes on) as well as the culmination of republican machinations for the last three decades - trump.
They are evil and will cheat and lie. We have to start being smart, and we have to show solidarity.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,123 posts)to do the right thing. I'll give them a month.
The ad says these are not republicans - that republicans are noble and do good things. The very point of the ad is that trumpers are not good republicans. They want their party back - the party of cheney and reagan, of nixon and bush. Remember that Steve Schmidt picked palin to be Vice President. They want softer racism, more tying corporations to national support, less police oversight.
Just because they aren't trump doesn't mean they are Democrat supporters. They want trump gone so they can get back their power. Notice no Lincoln Project ad complained about packing the courts with arch conservatives or trying to end the ACA. It was good to have them against trump, but they won't be Biden's allies.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)GOP. Most of TLP have already left the Republican Party iirc Michael Steele is one of the only one who hasn't left, the latest was Tara Setmayer immediately after Nov 3rd, when the increase in the Republican vote became known. For Repugs like her, she was hoping for Trump to be ousted AND the GOP to get beaten out the gate. For them to get 72m votes, she said it brought it home to her that it is now the Trump Party, and with that she said she was no longer a Republican. They recognise what you can't seem to recognise, their old Republican Party ISN'T coming back.
And let's be clear here, they fully backed Biden, STILL back Biden, and only today welcomed Biden's admin picks. If you are going to accuse anyone of not being a Biden ally, for attacking his picks, you need to look a lot closer to the left of the political spectrum, in fact, it wasn't TLP who tried to take Joe down earlier this year.
Jakes Progress
(11,123 posts)Let's just see how many change affiliations and start naming names of the republicans in office. Let's see steve scmidt begin endorsing Democratic Party platform moves. Let's see him champion environmental regulations and labor union advancement. I know he hates trump. I'm glad he does, and it helped.
But I await their epiphany that they were the ones who laid the groundwork for the orange one with their years of sucking up to corporations and welcoming bigots into their party.
We'll see in the next few months.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)David Plouffe. This episode features James Clyburn, who makes it clearer than anyone else in respect to Schmidt and TLP.
https://www.stitcher.com/show/battleground-with-david-plouffe-steve-schmidt/episode/house-majority-whip-james-eclyburn-79623543
36 minutes | Nov 23rd 2020
House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn
David and Steve are joined by House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn the South Carolina Congressman whose endorsement of Biden, back in February, revived his campaign and signaled to the Democratic Party that it was time to stop playing the field and settle down with a dependable nominee. David and Steve ask Congressman Clyburn about divisions in Congress, how Biden should use the executive order, and the post-election autopsy gripping the Democratic Party. They also discuss Rudy Giulianis failing coup crusade, question why the G.O.P. still wont take a stand for democracy, and conduct a lightning round quiz to see how far they think Trump and his cronies are willing to subvert America's democracy.
I think it was in this particular episode (might have been the previous) where Schmidt talked about the policies that he supported including HR1, Voting Right Amendment and that the US is one of the only Western Economies that doesn't have a National Healthcare system, and people are deluding themselves to think there won't be one with the coming decade.
p.s. the Lincoln project plan to be fighting against the GOP for at least the next 4-8 years, so don't expect to be proven right in 2 months !
Jakes Progress
(11,123 posts)and the people who were responsible for bringing us this nightmare.
I have yet to hear scmidt admit his culpability or his part in making the world safe for a trump. I'm sure he is outraged at the shit that he has helped to bring about, and I'm sure he didn't mean for it to come this way.
But he espouses small government, lax regulation, lower taxes, and fiscal policies that have given us the economic inequality that we now "enjoy".
You posit that he has had a change of heart and now supports the Democratic platform. I maintain that as soon as the budget fights begin, we won't see TLP supporting Medicare for All, or an expansion of Social Security, or abolishing Citizens United, or a rollback of the trump/ryan tax cut for the wealthy.
I would welcome a TLP ad for HR1 and re-establshment of the voting rights act. Good for them if they really do that. I will consider myself wrong if they then produce ads for environmental reform, for an elimination of Citizens United, and a tax on the rich. I wouldn't mind an admission of guilt.
Just where did you see schmidt and the TLP say they will be attacking republicans for the next 8 years? I'm not saying that that wasn't said, but I would like to see it in print (still allowing my cynical self to know that years of political activism has shown me that republicans lie all the time. )
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)which he quickly regretted.
Former McCain adviser Steve Schmidt trashes Sarah Palin for profound ignorance, brittleness and insanity'
In an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News late Wednesday night, the former Alaska governor lashed out at Schmidt for endorsing Joe Biden for president, suggesting he and MSNBC anchor Nicolle Wallace, who also worked on the McCain-Palin campaign, were never on our team to begin with.
Schmidt retweeted a video of the interview along with a savage counter-attack.
Ok. I cant help it, he wrote. It has been 12 years since @NicolleDWallace and I had to deal with her paranoia, pathological lying, profound ignorance, brittleness and insanity. We had to deal with her for 70 days.
It has been amazing to watch her soar and prove all her critics wrong, he added, sarcastically. Over the last 12 years. Once she was able to rid herself of the treachery and disloyalty of her staff she soared like an Eagle.... Not.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-mccain-adviser-steve-schmidt-trashes-sarah-palin-for-profound-ignorance-brittleness-and-insanity/ar-BB18bZhI?pfr=1
I didn't say he "supports the Democratic platform", but he has outlined many of the issues that he does support the Dems on. He's probably closer to many of the centrist Dems than those on the far left of the Democratic Party are to them. As has often been said, the Democratic Party is a big tent party, and all sides need to build a bridge and get over their differences.
As regards where TLP say they'll be attacking Republicans, they've said it in many interviews, but to give one example
From the 7 minute mark, Reed Galen talks about their future and why they're not going back to the Republican Party or starting their own. If you're going to criticise them, at least do so after listening to this
https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-lincoln-project/episode/whats-next-79260297
Jakes Progress
(11,123 posts)I didn't say he was responsible for the Tea Party. My statement referred to the fact that his career was made by working for changes that the TP pushed, that his campaigns helped make the republican party into what it has become.
And it isn't criticism to call TLP participants former republicans; they will tell you that they were.
I'm all for people admitting their mistakes and apologizing for them. In fact, they could greatly benefit the country by being up front about the machinations of the rnc while they were there. They can name the senators that were aware of the dog-whistle, racist campaigns and chose to align themselves with bigots in order to get elected. They can talk about the rnc dirty tricks group. They know where the republican bones are buried.
Again. I am all for this group to work for economic and human equality. I will have faith that they are now telling the truth (while their careers at the rnc were based on telling lies) if they will tell us how they have come to their current epiphany. Were they always progressives who simply sold their souls for a living? Or did they come to realize that they were making money by making he world a worse place? A confession of either would go a long way to convincing us that their spots have changed.
As for the big tent. If Democrats must accept corporatism and mild racism in order to win elections, how is that different than republicans accepting the white supremacy in order to achieve a solid south.
We'll see.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Rs simply can't be trusted.
I'm glad he did this early.
Demsrule86
(68,735 posts)apnu
(8,759 posts)Note, I am not raising my hand.
pecosbob
(7,545 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,486 posts)bringthePaine
(1,738 posts)we can do it
(12,207 posts)Mr. Ected
(9,674 posts)In going against Trump, they necessarily had to side with his opposition on the Democratic side (because all the Republicans in Congress and otherwise capitulated to Trump). Now that he is out of the equation, they can go back to being themselves and attempt to regain control of the party.
We should be grateful to the extent that they helped put Trump out of business, but they were never Democrats. Never.
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)grip on the Republican Party now, than he did on Nov 2nd. 72 million Americans voted for him, despite the disgusting pig that he is. Republican Congressional toadies aren't going anywhere.
TLP's mission statement is to get rid of Trump and Trumpism. They've only started.
Evolve Dammit
(16,788 posts)Celerity
(43,632 posts)XanaDUer2
(10,780 posts)they'll never change