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Nevilledog

(51,104 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 09:37 PM Nov 2020

The One Word That Bars Trump From Pardoning Himself



Tweet text:
Eric Muller
@elmunc
"Can Donald Trump pardon himself? That’s not the question the Constitution requires us to ask. Can Donald Trump *grant himself* a pardon? The evidence, at least according to the text of the Constitution & its original meaning, says no."
Me in @TheAtlantic

The One Word That Bars Trump From Pardoning Himself
The question shouldn’t be whether the president can pardon himself but whether he can grant himself a pardon—and those are not the same thing.
theatlantic.com
5:53 AM · Nov 23, 2020


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/one-word-bars-trump-pardoning-himself/617170/


As donald trump’s tenure in office comes in for its landing, a major question is whether the president—facing questions about liability for offenses including bank and tax fraud—can pardon himself.

This might seem like the right operational question, but it is imprecise as a constitutional one. Article II of the Constitution says that the president “shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.” Did you catch that? The president has the power not to pardon people, but “to grant … Pardons” (emphasis added). So the question is not whether Trump can pardon himself. It’s whether he can grant himself a pardon.

That might seem like an odd way of putting the question, but it’s linguistically important. On the one hand, some actions can’t be reflexive—you can’t do them to yourself. Think of surrendering, relinquishing, or handing over something. These verbs entail a transfer to someone else; the actor can’t also be the recipient.

On the other hand, countless verbs do leave open the possibility of reflexive meaning. If, for example, the Constitution had empowered the president not to grant a pardon but to announce a pardon, one would be hard-pressed to insist that the president could not announce himself as a recipient.

So, what about granting? Is it—in its usage in the Constitution—a verb more like handing over or announcing?

Judges and other legal scholars have a set of techniques for determining the meaning of constitutional text. One is to scour the rest of the Constitution for hints. If the same word appears in multiple clauses of the Constitution, one should assume that it has the same meaning throughout unless a clear reason exists to think otherwise. So let’s look at the verb grant in the Constitution outside the pardons clause.

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The One Word That Bars Trump From Pardoning Himself (Original Post) Nevilledog Nov 2020 OP
It's why he's always talked about himself in the third person: Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #1
Do you think canetoad Nov 2020 #5
Nope. But it makes a good story. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #9
Interesting piece. This is the sort of argument that could move justices like Gorsuch. tritsofme Nov 2020 #2
sounds like splitting hair but I guess thats what interpreting law is about. drray23 Nov 2020 #3
Can Trump grant himself a pardon? I don't know... dchill Nov 2020 #4
Not with that little mushroom dick Nevilledog Nov 2020 #7
Interesting post canetoad Nov 2020 #6
... Nevilledog Nov 2020 #8
Great article! Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #10
The whole article linked is a great read. EAsy to understand. N/T IllinoisBirdWatcher Nov 2020 #11
Good article. A compelling argument. TomSlick Nov 2020 #12

Ms. Toad

(34,070 posts)
1. It's why he's always talked about himself in the third person:
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 09:43 PM
Nov 2020

He's going to grant a pardon to Donald Trump (not to himself).

drray23

(7,629 posts)
3. sounds like splitting hair but I guess thats what interpreting law is about.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 09:46 PM
Nov 2020

Is not there also a clause about not being able to pardon with a corrupt intent ? That appears to be a more solid argument.

canetoad

(17,160 posts)
6. Interesting post
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 10:28 PM
Nov 2020

And differentiation of language and intent. I shall await the outcome with breathless anticipation.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
12. Good article. A compelling argument.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:22 PM
Nov 2020

If, as the conservative members of the Court claim, the only goal is to find the original intent of the drafters, the use of the word "grant" should answer the question - a president cannot grant himself a pardon.

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