Democrats are way way way too nice to all Republican assholes. It's been like that for way too long

[mtnsnake]

and that has to be one of the main reasons why the extreme Right Wing faction of the Republican Party nominated Donald Trump in 2016. They knew that if they nominated the biggest asshole, the biggest liar in the universe that it would take about 2 years before anyone from our side would dare call him a liar, but the lies would be set in cement by then, and a new base of mutant ignorant fools would be born.

With the exception of Bernie Sanders who FINALLY spoke up and called Trump a pathological liar, the best anyone else could say whenever Trump lied was "He's misrepresenting the facts" and other weak shit like that. It took just about 4 years before our people started using the actual L word. Even now we're just sitting back waiting for democracy to take place while he's getting away with ramping up a category 5 storm. Someday I would love to see our Party fight fire with fire and kick the shit out any Republican liar on Day ONE, not day 850 when it's too late and the lies have taken hold.

[msongs]

1. surely there must be more than sternly worded letters nt

[LizBeth]

3. You would think, right. I mean, Dems are all that more smart than the right, yet nothing. Always.

[sheshe2]

15. Really?

I mean, Dems are all that more smart than the right, yet nothing. Always.

Yet nothing? Always?

Nothing. Always. What is that suppose to mean?

[LizBeth]

21. Take the higher road, move along, get on with taking care of the people and fixing all the things

Republicans just fucked up. Unite and Kumbaya.

[Cha]

49. Ikr.. Nancy & the Dems Impeached

the Traitor's ASSFACE when many thought it would be dangerous for the 2020 election

Nancy said.. We're doing it Because ".. It's the right thing to do".

[triron]

5. Really!

Though Hillary tried to warn us; but emails!

[LizBeth]

23. HRC did and that is just one more disappointment. I think she would have been very tough.

Like Pelosi, Warren. Klobuchar. They call it. The women Govs.

[LizBeth]

2. I agree. Huge mistake.

[dalton99a]

4. Clinton: 'habitual liar' Trump must be curbed in presidential debate

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/24/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-habitual-liar-presidential-debate
Clinton: ‘habitual liar’ Trump must be curbed in presidential debate
Dan Roberts and David Smith in Washington
Sat 24 Sep 2016 08.26 EDT

It is 90 minutes that could change the world, but Hillary Clinton is already warning that Donald Trump may overwhelm their first presidential debate on Monday if his “habitual lying” is left unchallenged by the moderator.

The “prebuttal” from Democratic campaign headquarters came as both candidates hunker down in preparation this weekend, nervously awaiting an estimated television audience of up to 100 million Americans at what opinion polls suggest is the turning point in their race for the White House.

Clinton’s concern stems from Trump’s fast-and-loose rhetorical style, which has been attacked by newspaper fact-checkers but proved devastatingly effective on TV, first against his Republican challengers in the primary and, more recently, in a candidate forum on national security in which he was allegedly allowed to airbrush his past support for the Iraq war.

[mtnsnake]

8. The article said it was Palmieri who said it. Hillary took the high road just like the rest of them

Gimme a break. No one slammed the door in his face just about the entire time, all the time thinking the voters would be too smart to believe his lies.

[JI7]

10. She called him out in the debates to his face.

[mtnsnake]

16. Did she ever call him a LIAR to his face during those debates? NO, at least not that I remember

[triron]

31. It does?I ask cause I wasn't even able to read .it.

[JoeOtterbein]

6. Bernie...

...speaks the truth. It's always a hard thing to do because even your allies will hate you for it.

[Cha]

17. Joe Biden Speaks the TRUTH & Dems,

Independents, & So Many Repub Voters Love him for it.. Worth More Than 80 Million VOTES.

[mtnsnake]

22. Biden was one of the very few Democrats who pasted Trump good. Where was everyone else tho?

It was as if everyone else was hiding, thinking Trump would simply defeat himself by lying, but we never found a way to stop him from lying mostly because we're just too nice.

[JI7]

28. Trump's white racist supporters don't care if he lies.

Why do you have trouble getting that ?

[Cha]

34. trump's fucking cult doesn't care if he Murders,

LIES, cheats, Steals, or is a Traitor to the USA.

[JoeOtterbein]

25. The only way to change lots of minds is to make things like lying a big issue.

The repubs are expert at it (see Bill Clinton's sex life). We tend to block any messenger that we fear the right might call an "extremist".

[JI7]

32. nobody is changing minds. The ones that went after Clinton are the ones supporting Trump

[JoeOtterbein]

37. Changing minds is best achieved when we focus on an issue and pile on the repubs...

...until we get noticed. Then, repeat it over and over until it sticks.

[JI7]

44. Nobody is changing minds. Those who hated Clinton support Trump

which was white racists

[JoeOtterbein]

48. Please...

...never give up trying to change minds! We need you!

[JI7]

30. Sanders thought it was just fine if people voted Trump

he tweeted shortly before 2016 .

[mtnsnake]

38. Sanders and Hillary aside, we are way too nice when it comes to dealing with Repub assholes.

It's been that way for a long long time, and we better own up to it or we might be in big trouble come 2022.

[JI7]

40. There is no "we" here. The problem is the white community which wants to ignore racism

in their community.

[mtnsnake]

45. I've got not problem with what you're saying. But, do you think our Party is tough enough when

it comes to dealing with Republican thugs like Trump, McConnell, and their ilk?

[JI7]

46. Pelosi is tough . The issue isn't really about being tough.

[JI7]

7. No, it has nothing to do with that. And Hillary did call out his shit in 2016

Trump got support because people agree with his hatred. They like how he takes kids from parents and cages them.

They like all the racist bigoted things he does and says.

[mtnsnake]

9. If that was call calling out his shit, then it's no wonder he got away with his lies.

[JI7]

12. He got away with it becsuse those that support him don't care about his lies. His white racist supp

love his bigotry.

[Cha]

29. Exactly! Those racist Macho Shitheads

couldn't give a SHIT about what fucking trump did.. especially the GD P**** Tape.

[mtnsnake]

35. Maybe if we tried harder to stop his lies than we did, maybe he wouldn't have had

such a base. He seriously got away with his lies, and everyone knows what happens when someone lies nonstop. The lies become believable to the ignoramuses, and the ignoramuses come flocking out of the woodwork.

[JI7]

39. Why do you keep ignoring white racism ?

[mtnsnake]

42. I've never ignored white racism. That's just not what I intended my post to be about.

My post was about how I think we've been way too soft when it comes to dealing with assholes, and Repub assholes includes that group of people known as white supremacists of course. Geez.

[JI7]

43. It's blaming a party made up of minorities for white racism

[mtnsnake]

13. And what's anyone doing now about him, JI7, other than taking his shit with a glass of water?

Nothing. We're being way too nice about it again. That's no way to get any respect.

[JI7]

14. Biden beat him. He lost and will be gone even though majority of white people

support him and majority of white people refuse to face the hateful bigotry in their community.

[mtnsnake]

18. Yes, Biden beat him soundly, but it doesn't change the fact that our talking heads are too soft

when it comes to dealing with Republican assholes.

[JI7]

20. The issue is white racism and the white community

[LizBeth]

24. +1

[samsingh]

11. and many repugs have now become traitors.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. The patterns are being established. It IS an abusive relationship.

Republicans on the national level get to bully everyone else without consequences. And the pattern repeats itself at the State and Local level.

I always wondered why people were shocked, SHOCKED that I would stand up to them, when they were running over my rights. Like in, who was I that I thought I had any right to question them. And now I see, how it starts at the top. It's a pattern that they see, and try to repeat.

No wonder many of us feel like we're fighting our own battles.

[mtnsnake]

27. "Republicans on the national level get to bully everyone else without consequences."

Exactly, and that's partly our fault as a Party for just not being mean enough during the times when we should be mean.

[DEM1955]

26. Truth is...

they really are irredeemable. No hope for those repubs.

[LuvNewcastle]

33. While Democrats should call out lies on their opponents,

the fact-checking is really the job of the press. They are supposed to keep both sides honest; instead, they report what each side says and they act as if there are two competing realities out there and it's up to the viewer to decide which reality he likes the best. That's why we're in the predicament we're in with Q-Anon and all this other RW shit that people are accepting as alternate realities. There's one fucking reality and we need to hear from people who know or have researched about what the truth is!

The press finally started saying only recently that Trumpy isn't telling the truth, that he's spouting conspiracy theories. How much better would things have been if they had told the truth about his claims back in 2015, or all the bullshit he was spreading years before that? Sure, Democrats haven't defended themselves well enough and they haven't attacked the Republicans hard enough, but I lay most of the problems of our political scene these days at the foot of the press. Unfortunately, people depend on them and trust them to give them the truth about what's going on in the world, and they have taken that trust and given them news without knowledge, and that is confusing and worse than useless.

[Bettie]

36. The press doesn't usually do that job

the only reason they did it with Trump at all is that it got so over the top and egregious they had to. Plus, he treated them badly, so they retaliated.

[LuvNewcastle]

51. It's just ridiculous to me.

I mean, what good is it to tell a news story if you don't ground it with facts? It might as well be a work of fiction. If I give a speech in public and I'm running for political office and I make outrageous claims about one group or another, should the press merely replay or print what I say, or should they investigate my claims and report on their veracity? If you don't research your story and arm your reader with facts, you might as well write a fictional account of my speech in the park. The public will have learned just as much about the truth.

[mtnsnake]

41. Your are right. The press was way too easy on him, too, especially early on.

No doubt about it. The press ended up loving his bullshit because of the ratings they got out of it. The so called liberal press (yeah right, liberal my ass) were a bunch of wusses.

[Deuxcents]

47. It's not what they say

It’s what they do..I’m paraphrasing Dr Maddow. High and past time to stop being so meek..keep our values, for sure but never, ever lay down without a fight again. We know the game n the rules played by.. learn them well n fight back. Fight like our lives depend on it b/c they do. Just watched MSNBC special on a real President and I wish I had never thought 8 years could go by so fast. But they did and we’ve got a lot of work do do. Never forget this 4 years and how close we came to lose it all.

[mtnsnake]

50. Very well said. nt

[OneBro]

52. Your post reminds me of one of the many reasons I so LOVE the Lincoln Project.

They don't mince their words, they don't pull their punches, they don't play nice with bullies, and they sure as hell never turned the other cheek.

[ancianita]

53. That's the key. Nip lies in the bud. Media have been the major culprit on this, however.

They never catch patterns early because they're always chasing the next story. Their problem is usually precision without accuracy. As if that somehow makes them "neutral on a moving train."

We need to demand that media harden up and use honest language, not the language their corporate owners tell them to use.

[RANDYWILDMAN]

54. I would consider an exploratory committee to look into this...

I will get back to you after we consider every possibility, then maybe we take a found months to banter back and forth about a strongly worded condemnation of the person in charge, don't want to use a specific name and trigger anybody though

What do you think ? get back to me with your idea's about this going forward
I like where this is going, convince me to come on board ?