This failed coup needs to end the way they do in the rest of the world.

[NightWatcher]

With the co-conspirators and enemies of democracy shown no mercy or quarter.

Else it will happen again.

[Thekaspervote]

1. ☝️☝️☝️☝️

[Jarqui]

24. +1000000

[soothsayer]

2. Sounds fair.

[grumpyduck]

3. Yup.

This would be a good time for history to repeat itself.

[paleotn]

20. Equitable and just even.

I'm for it.

[Mr. Ected]

4. I wish we would ramp up investigations of the 2016 Trump campaign/GOP collusion with Russia

Very loudly and with purpose.

We have them by the balls, we do. The only reason justice wasn't served is because it was subverted. But that subterfuge evaporates the moment Joe raises his right hand.

This whole bullshit challenge of election results in 2020 is a direct response to our very legitimate charges of conspiracy and felony violations of election laws against Trump and the GOP arising out of the sham 2016 election. It's a propaganda technique that they've employed for 4 years straight. Accuse your opponent, pre-emptively, of a crime or offense that you yourself have just perpetrated. Makes it look like we're the ones making it up, since they've already "made their case". People are so easily duped.

[bdamomma]

5. Duped

or just believe in repeated propaganda catch phrases. Defund the Police, Socialism, Radical Left, Antifa, just to name a few. Keep on saying it over and over people believe it, tRump's cult did.

[Mr. Ected]

7. They've been brainwashed. Everything they've been told may have a kernel of truth

But on the whole it's exaggeration, hyperbole and just basic disinformation. They file it away in their brains as truth and fact.

When we hit them with the truth, about them, about us, they can't compute. It doesn't line up. And they have been conditioned not to trust any source except for the ones they've carefully assembled for them.

No wonder the Russians are involved. They're the ringleaders, and people like McConnell know it.

[dem4decades]

6. In other failed coups, what percentage of people backed them?

Just trying to gage where we are.

[grantcart]

16. Most coups are decided by the onsite commander, usually a captain that,

commands the tank brigade that is based in the capital.

Once you roll out the tanks you have a lot of momentum.

Most of the coups I have lived through are immensely popular because the military moves in to stop a gang of politicians who are rubbing the country blind.

In time they become less popular.

[dem4decades]

25. Well here we have 40% supporting the coup, along with minority rule.

Is that enough? Next time?

[GopherGal]

13. I'd settle for the border wall

why defile a national landmark?

[CCExile]

23. In it..

or under it?

[malaise]

9. THIS

Rec

[JI7]

10. Usually it doesn't end in the rest of the world

[spanone]

12. ⭐️K&R⭐️

[world wide wally]

14. 100%

AND SOON!

[lame54]

15. This has involved players as far back as the...

Nixon administration

They keep oozing back in because they are never held accountable

[Caliman73]

77. True.

Bill Barr was allowed to become the AG again, because people thought that he would be an "adult in the room". The asshole was crooked since the Reagan Administration. He was GHW Bush's AG and helped to cover up the last of the Iran-Contra Affair, and somehow people (both Republicans AND Democrats) thought that he warranted another term? He warrants being behind bars.

Cheney and Rumsfeld were Nixon people. War criminals who should have been investigated, tried, and when found guilty (because they were), put in prison.

[James48]

17. Cult nuts are crazy

Watch out.

[iluvtennis]

19. I'll settle for locking them all up and throwing away the key. nt

[Oldem]

21. Punishing a few people won't do it.

The article, [link:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-voters-don-t-really-believe-biden-stole-the-election-but-they-do-want-a-coup/ar-BB1bMKHR?ocid=msedgntp|that prompted another recent thread proves that. The problem involves millions of Americans and the repug party, who won't be deterred by any number of arrests and convictions for sedition, treason, or anything else.

[orangecrush]

26. You don't say.

[hadEnuf]

38. I think enough will be deterred if they know for a fact

that they will have to pay a price for their actions.

Right now they do whatever they like and mostly get away with it, all while soiling the flag by calling themselves patriots.

This free-for-all shit needs to end. Period.

[PatrickforO]

22. There have been a lot of crimes, and there do need to be some

indictments, trials, and yes, convictions and imprisonments.

It is important that the legal due process takes care of this, or else we end up with a Robespierre-esque reign of terror. The accountability must be aboveboard, and widespread enough to discourage a repeat in the foreseeable future, and harsh enough to be just, with the punishment fitting the crimes.

[wnylib]

27. NPR's 1A program this morning

discussed the topic of Trump's attempted coup. They had a couple of experts on the subject whose names and titles I don't remember now. One of them was a professor, I think, with expertise on coups and authoritarian takeovers of democracies.

He pointed out what has been discussed here on DU, that the Republican party has been moving in this direction for a long time. He also said that in today's world, military coups are not common. Instead, authoritarian people get control of a party and political positions. When they have enough people in power, and enough followers, they remove democratic norms and establish a dictatorship while often keeping the superficial appearance of some democratic norms, like (rigged) elections.

This is not possible without a sizeable number of citizens willing to accept authoritarianism. Once entrenched in government, it is very difficult to get them out. So even when Trump is out of office, the authoritarian movement will still exist and there will still be people in government, and their followers, pushing farther and farther right.

A woman on the program said that we will need to investigate corruption and the people who have supported Trump's coup attempt. We need to expose the authoritarian coup supporters to the general public. She also strongly advocated public educational efforts on how our government is supposed to operate, and on the norms of democracy and our constitution because it is the best defense against further RW authoritarian spread. She did not specify what those programs should be.

I can think of a few things, e.g. short public service announcements, like 30 or 60 second spots on sections of the constitution or bits from American history, on TV network stations and social media. Some longer programs featuring well known and respected leaders showing how authoritarian coups have occurred in other countries might be helpful. Let people see and recognize the parallels.

[summer_in_TX]

48. Excellent show this morning!

Jenn White pulled together terrific, knowledgeable guests.

[wnylib]

50. I missed the beginning, but

caught most of it. I was really impressed that they spoke so openly and directly about what is happening. None of NPR's usual bothsiderism.

[Politicalgolfer]

67. wnylib....thank you for the summary

This is EXACTLY what has to happen. Education is a must to combat the propaganda. Biden & his spokesmen & women need to daily flood social media sites (like the bellowing slob did) but with facts and list of Biden accomplishments and tell the people what that means in their lives. Like the idea of public service announcements, too!

[Fiendish Thingy]

28. That means an aggressive Biden AG and unleashed state AG's as well. Nt

[Boogiemack]

29. I hope the "Deep State" that the Trump cult made-up is taking pictures, names, and locations to make

their move in rounding up the seditionists once Biden takes Office.

[Maven]

30. Yes and ignoring or laughing it off because the attempt fails this time is not the answer.

In fact, it is breathtakingly irresponsible.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

31. Someone needs to grow up and stop this ...

One person no matter who he/she is or what status they have should never be able to hold an entire country basically hostage.

He needs to be put out of power... now... in any way... in any manner.

One more day may be too late.

Trump first...McConnell next.

[DEbluedude]

32. Agreed.

Something similar to the Romanian solution years ago comes to mind.

[patphil]

33. I'm not sure it's failed yet. The Supreme Court will decide that.

At this point, it's unlikely to succeed, but we need to have closure from the SC to get to that point.
Who could have possibly predicted this 4 years ago?
We knew Trump was bad, but this is beyond imagination.

What happens if the Supreme Court rules in favor of those 18 states?
I don't believe the Electoral College would meet and vote without these 4 states.
In fact, it may be difficult to support the election results of any state that had large numbers of absentee ballots if it is found unconstitutional for these 4 states.

It could take 6 months or more to resolve the mess. In the meantime, a lot of Senators, Congressmen, and state and local officials wouldn't be able to be sworn in, since an invalidated election is for all who were on the ballot.
And, of course, Trump can't be president after January 20th, and Pence can't be vice-president.

So, will the Supreme Court take a bite out of this shit sandwich, or will they tell Trump and all those seditious Republicans who signed onto this garbage to go pound salt?
I expect we will know before the Electoral College is scheduled to meet next Monday.
I also expect the Biden/Harris ticket to be elected by the EC.
But, that will probably not be the end of it. After all, there are millions of people still fighting the Civil War over 150 years later.

[Lock him up.]

74. What happens if the SC rules in favor of those 18 states? (Answer)

The other 19 Democratic-winning states get together with DC and sue them back for sedition, and reimbursement of the taxes they benefit from them.

18 states: Hawaii, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Illinois, New York, Virginia, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Maryland.

Force the 17 secessionists to pay back what they receive each year from the blue states. Enough of their BS!!

[Blue Owl]

34. K&R

[SayItLoud]

35. x1000. Presidential Crimes Commission & Special Prosecutor. NT.

[pandr32]

36. Oh, so agreed!

[moondust]

37. Like Turkey?

~
On 20 June 2019, a terrorism court in Turkey sentenced 151 people to life in prison, including General Akın Öztürk, former commander of Turkish Air Force, and the most senior officer involved in the coup. 128 people received "aggravated life" sentences, which indicates harsh conditions without parole, for their role in the coup, with another 23 receiving standard life sentences.
~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt#Aftermath

[olegramps]

79. They will probably have another coup and reverse the want has transpired.

[Jon King]

39. The entire free world must help bring down Trump....

This is a threat to the entire world, from climate change denial to this attempted coup. The world can not have one political party, beholden to a failed casino operator, representing now maybe 70 million people out of billions on earth....holding the world hostage.

Whatever it takes behind the scenes from foreign governments, in our courts, etc. Everything Trump must be destroyed first, him and his family worldwide pariahs and destroyed financially. Then get every member of Congress that supports him. Wreck them all.

[smirkymonkey]

43. +1000

[Duppers]

44. Amen!

Hubby* just said our Dem party must grow more vaginas - more Katie Porters, more Kamala Harrises, more Amy Klobuchars, more Rebekah Jones, more Justice Ginsburgs, etc.

We cannot be afraid to do the right thing. Our country is already divided & we must stop trying to accommodate these criminals.

* So proud of him.

[Hotler]

40. If we don't put a boot to the fascist now we will regret it later. nt

[dchill]

41. No. They just need to be locked up, permanently.

[ecstatic]

46. Life sentences. I could live with that.

But it is so important that they be held accountable for their treason. Yes, treason.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

42. What would Kim Jong-un do? n/t

[penbo]

45. agreed

[summer_in_TX]

49. Steve Schmidt so agrees.

He was interviewed last night on Amanpour and Company. Very forceful.

Trumpism has to be completely and utterly defeated he said.

[dustyscamp]

52. If I had the power

I'd forcefully move all the people who voted for Trump onto a non-inhabited island in the middle of the ocean. Trump and his top supporters would be dealt with much more harshly.

[BusyBeingBest]

54. Yes. We are in real "lock him/her up" territory now. This is sedition.

We were told that our only recourse to get rid of this motherfucker was the election. So we did that and prevailed. Now we're told that the election results don't actually matter, he's now the emperor and it turns out we can't vote him out either. What does that leave us with? What happens in two years, in four years? How do we function as a nation?

[BlueWavePsych]

55. Oh yeah ...

[wendyb-NC]

56. !000 times yes. They've been begging

for it, right out in the open, in plain view for 4 years now.

[Tarc]

57. I think this is the first time a people have tried to vote out fascism

Usually it doesn't end this way for them.

[xxqqqzme]

59. Impeachment off the table, says Nancy

of lying W administration. Eight years later we get this wreck

[Nitram]

60. In the rest of the world, the coup plotters would be hanged or worse. I'd rather suffer the

humiliation and suffering of life in prison.

[VA_Jill]

61. Or firing squad, like in Romania.

When Ceausescu was sentenced to death by firing squad, there were so many volunteers that they had to draw lots. Can you imagine...?

[Nitram]

70. I'm afraid the same might prove true in the US if it was decided to condemn Trump to death by firing

squad.

[Oscarthegreat]

62. In plain English

A coup attempt is another way to describe treason. A coup attempt IS treason. Why don't Democrat start making it clear to the Republicans attempting this coup that Biden's AG first order of business would be to investigate many of them for treason, yes, treason.

[Evolve Dammit]

75. I agree. Welcome to DU. Tired of accepting this sedition and yes, treason.

[BobTheSubgenius]

63. Damned right!!!

[The Mouth]

64. Do unto others what others would do unto you

but do it first.

We need to haul a lot of these instigators, OAN, Newsmax, Limpballs, in front of some good interrogators and produce video proof of Russian collusion and then shoot everyone who has opined that Biden hasn't won for treason. Followed by a fair trial.

Disappear every official, elected or appointed, still supporting the notion that the orange shitstain won into the night and fog.

[DFW]

65. And when they come before a judge for sentencing, I wish he would tell them:

"If this were a court sentencing an armed attempt at overthrowing the Government of the United States by leftists or Muslims, please tell me what sentence you think I should hand down. Think before answering, because I am going to consider your answer before rendering judgment on you. Keep in mind that the law applies to the severity of the offense, and not to the identity of those who committed it."

[Catch2.2]

66. If there are no consequences....

this will happen again but worse!

[OMGWTF]

68. This is why we keep seeing Rethug retreads like Wild Bill Barr.

Until some of these criminals start going to prison, the flogging, fleecing, and fking of the people will continue.

[MrModerate]

71. A Ceaușescu solution?

Too damaging. I'll pass.

[Smackdown2019]

72. South Georgia

Send them to South Georgia...... that is South Georgia Island that is. Heard that an Iceberg since of Rhode Island is going to strike the small island. Just send them to a new yet-to-be built Prison on the island. They could rule their own place!

[CrispyQ]

73. We're partly here because our side lets bygones be bygones.

America’s Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent
Trump was ineffective and easily beaten. A future strongman won’t be.

NOVEMBER 6, 2020
Zeynep Tufekci
Contributing writer at The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-proved-authoritarians-can-get-elected-america/617023/

snip...

Make no mistake: The attempt to harness Trumpism—without Trump, but with calculated, refined, and smarter political talent—is coming. And it won’t be easy to make the next Trumpist a one-term president.

more...

At the moment, the Democratic Party risks celebrating Trump’s loss and moving on—an acute danger, especially because many of its constituencies, the ones that drove Trump’s loss, are understandably tired. A political nap for a few years probably looks appealing to many who opposed Trump, but the real message of this election is not that Trump lost and Democrats triumphed. It’s that a weak and untalented politician lost, while the rest of his party has completely entrenched its power over every other branch of government: the perfect setup for a talented right-wing populist to sweep into office in 2024. And make no mistake: They’re all thinking about it.

[olegramps]

76. Just like Erdogan, Trump's idol, has done in Turkey.

I really do think that something should be done to answer these damn traitors and make them accountable.

[Brainfodder]

78. Did you also laugh out loud when you heard he was bringing back firing squads and gas chambers?

[jmowreader]

80. Maybe not QUITE like they do in the rest of the world

Firing squads are pretty popular for that, and we probably shouldn't go THAT far...but if we let out all the nonviolent drug offenders, there should be enough cell space for the Trump Coup Attempt plotters.