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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:19 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

What Frightens me About the Texas Lawsuit

I know it is ludicrous on legal matters but I have a hard time dismissing it for this reason.

5

That is the number of people standing between it and success. Five Supreme Court justices that are not reasonable people. Five SC justices that are hyper partisan. Three of which owe their job to Trump. My fear has gotten worse when I see multiple states and hundreds of politicians piling on to give the Supreme Court political cover.

Even though I expect it to fail, I find myself fearful that the line of defense comes down to these five people that I do not trust.

I would add that I never thought they would interfere in 2000 either and I was blindsided when they did. So I don't take anything for granted.

As a related topic, are we even going to talk about whether the Trump appointees should recuse themselves? I know it is a non-starter but it seems painfully obvious to me that they should. Especially Barrett who was expressly appointed by Trump to protect him.

I hate these assholes.

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Reply What Frightens me About the Texas Lawsuit (Original post)
 genxlib Dec 2020 OP
LineReply Oh come on now..this doesn't even remotely compare to 2000
 Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #1
LineLineReply I know it doesn't
 genxlib Dec 2020 #3
LineReply I feel exactly the same way you do.
 Jeebo Dec 2020 #2
LineLineReply Jan 20 means nothing.
 JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #5
LineLineLineReply Agreed
 genxlib Dec 2020 #7
LineLineLineNew Reply January 20 means SOMETHING.
 Jeebo Dec 2020 #23
LineLineLineLineNew Reply This message was self-deleted by its author
 JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #29
LineReply You have the right to be hate and fear this SCOTUS
 StClone Dec 2020 #4
LineLineNew Reply I believe that Barrett and Kavanaugh want to slowly chip away at
 Blue_true Dec 2020 #25
LineReply This isn't about winning
 zipplewrath Dec 2020 #6
LineLineReply This was the first step in dismantling America.
 SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #9
LineLineReply That's why we're going to leave the country.
 Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #11
LineReply There is a big difference between owing one's job to Trump -
 Ms. Toad Dec 2020 #8
LineLineReply I agree with you
 genxlib Dec 2020 #14
LineReply Agree.
 hamsterjill Dec 2020 #10
LineLineReply At worst, we get acting President Pelosi.
 SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #13
LineLineLineReply Not sure how you figure that
 genxlib Dec 2020 #17
LineLineLineLineReply The repukes could be delayed in being seated by parliamentary rule by Pelosi and deny them the vote.
 SoFlaBro Dec 2020 #19
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Nope. Doesn't work that way
 dansolo Dec 2020 #21
LineReply They KNOW that if they give it to him that we WILL riot.
 NightWatcher Dec 2020 #12
LineLineReply I agree
 genxlib Dec 2020 #16
LineReply The courts at all various levels have come through 54-1 ?
 empedocles Dec 2020 #15
LineLineReply I know
 genxlib Dec 2020 #18
LineLineLineNew Reply I get that. I'm more on to the next worry of what traitortrump comes up with next and next.
 empedocles Dec 2020 #20
LineNew Reply Those 3 Judges
 Chin music Dec 2020 #22
LineNew Reply interfering would go against their conservative judicial ideologies
 andym Dec 2020 #24
LineNew Reply The weakness in that is that no justice dissented to dismissing the PA appeal
 Alhena Dec 2020 #26
LineNew Reply The mass pile-on has me thinking lots of what-ifs
 Amishman Dec 2020 #27
LineLineNew Reply This message was self-deleted by its author
 Chin music Dec 2020 #28

Response to genxlib (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:21 PM

Star Member Thekaspervote (28,596 posts)

1. Oh come on now..this doesn't even remotely compare to 2000

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:25 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

3. I know it doesn't

But neither does the makeup of this Court or the level of depravity of the GOP.

Things have deteriorated significantly in the last 20 years.

I don't think it will work but I think our system of Government is broken that it is even allowed to come down to what 5 people think.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:24 PM

Jeebo (1,615 posts)

2. I feel exactly the same way you do.

I will continue to be on pins and needles until I watch Joe Biden actually being sworn in on January 20.

-- Ron

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:37 PM

Star Member JustABozoOnThisBus (22,578 posts)

5. Jan 20 means nothing.

I'd guess rallies, lawsuits, all the dirty tricks will continue. We have a permanent Vandalism Party.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:46 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

7. Agreed

More than anything, we will have a large portion of the electorate feeling cheated and they will be ungovernable.

And some small but not insignificant fraction of them will be potentially violent. We have to be on guard against the next Oklahoma City or Assassination attempt.

After all is said and done, I may end up being grateful at the expanded powers that the FBI have these days. Ain't that something.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 09:45 PM

Jeebo (1,615 posts)

23. January 20 means SOMETHING.

I understand your point and I don't disagree, but Joe Biden being sworn in on that date means much more than nothing, and I will breathe an enormous sigh of relief when I watch it happen.

-- Ron

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:34 PM

StClone (11,439 posts)

4. You have the right to be hate and fear this SCOTUS

But I had to think this through to calm myself down. There is no close call here and the Court will, for now, not make waves. I believe they will not take any of these cases as lower courts swat them down. Trump will go down, he will no longer hold Presidential powers and his cult will have a hard time holding their rage in a dangerous pandemic, a lessening economy and as waves of facts wash over them.

I do fear, as in the past, the piecemeal attack on every other reasonable institutions which the Right and their monied backers want disassembled for their gain. The monied backers own the Cons, the Cons in turn have the courts and as such they will find ways to rule in favor of them.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 09:56 PM

Blue_true (31,261 posts)

25. I believe that Barrett and Kavanaugh want to slowly chip away at

rights for some people. I just don’t see them taking a big shot on the Texas stupid act.

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Response to genxlib (Original post)

Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:44 PM

zipplewrath (16,521 posts)

6. This isn't about winning

This is practice. It is dress rehearsal. They are seeing in the future who will support what and how the reaction will be. They are plotting to be able to decide ANY election without having to actually get more votes. This is a party that has decided that they will govern as a minority party through suppression, intimidation, gerrymandering, and through control of the courts. The next two years will see them attempting to pass laws at the state and local levels to make it easier for them to dictate the results of elections. Look for ALEC and other organizations to pass laws, put things on referendums and other methods to make what they are practicing now, legal in the future.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:52 PM

SoFlaBro (192 posts)

9. This was the first step in dismantling America.

The repukes hate America, Americans, and American Democracy.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:58 PM

Star Member Crunchy Frog (26,259 posts)

11. That's why we're going to leave the country.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:50 PM

Star Member Ms. Toad (31,014 posts)

8. There is a big difference between owing one's job to Trump -

And being dependent on Trump to continue in a job.

Once appointed, they are free to ignore him. That's one of the most significant reasons for lifetime appointments.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:03 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

14. I agree with you

They should tell him to pound sand and really have no reason to be pressured by him.

But loyalty and appreciation for being given the position isn't nothing.

They should recuse but I assume they will not.

Frankly, I would recuse because I would want nothing to do with it.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:56 PM

Star Member hamsterjill (14,742 posts)

10. Agree.

For me to be assured that nothing can come of this lawsuit, I would have to:

(1) Trust Amy Coney Barrett to do the right thing;
(2) Trust Neil Gorsuch to do the right thing;
(3) Trust Samuel Alito to do the right thing;
(4) Trust Brett Kavanaugh to do the right thing; and/or
(5) Trust Clarence Thomas to do the right thing.

I have trust issues with these people. So pardon me and let me worry a little bit.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:00 PM

SoFlaBro (192 posts)

13. At worst, we get acting President Pelosi.

And I KNOW the Orange Bastard doesn't want that.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:08 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

17. Not sure how you figure that

The next play would be to the House where the electors would be chosen BY DELEGATION where the GOP has the upper hand. We would need some Republican led delegations to do the right thing and again, I don't trust any of them for that.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:13 PM

SoFlaBro (192 posts)

19. The repukes could be delayed in being seated by parliamentary rule by Pelosi and deny them the vote.

There is no way around it.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:28 PM

dansolo (5,376 posts)

21. Nope. Doesn't work that way

It only goes to the House if no candidate get a majority of electoral votes cast. If they are excluded, then they don't count, and Biden will still have a majority.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:59 PM

NightWatcher (39,343 posts)

12. They KNOW that if they give it to him that we WILL riot.

trump will not rule a peaceful kingdom.



It would destroy the country.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:05 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

16. I agree

We would riot

But isn't that what makes this dangerous. That would just give him every reason to become the strongarm dictator he wants to be.

It would destroy us. There would be no good way out of it.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:04 PM

Star Member empedocles (15,751 posts)

15. The courts at all various levels have come through 54-1 ?

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:10 PM

Star Member genxlib (5,216 posts)

18. I know

Like I said, I don't actually think they will be successful.

It is just really fucked up that it comes down to these 5 people. That is just an awful margin of error to count on.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 05:20 PM

Star Member empedocles (15,751 posts)

20. I get that. I'm more on to the next worry of what traitortrump comes up with next and next.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 06:52 PM

Star Member Chin music (21,043 posts)

22. Those 3 Judges

like their job. tr*mps going down.
They'll still have their job the day after they rule against him.
tr#mps on a glide path for a mountaintop stop.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 09:53 PM

Star Member andym (5,214 posts)

24. interfering would go against their conservative judicial ideologies

--the power of the states to determine their own rules-- OTOH there is Bush V Gore.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 09:57 PM

Star Member Alhena (2,921 posts)

26. The weakness in that is that no justice dissented to dismissing the PA appeal

If any justice were in a hard-core Trump stooge mode, he'd have dissented to dismissing the PA appeal. None did.

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Thu Dec 10, 2020, 10:11 PM

Amishman (5,267 posts)

27. The mass pile-on has me thinking lots of what-ifs

A unanimous smackdown of this by the court on a case where in theory they could have handed a second term to Trump, would be a major counter to the argument that the current court composition is too partizan. Almost too perfect, could giving that cover for future SCOTUS ruling be the real objective of all the Pubs?

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