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Nevilledog

(51,200 posts)
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:33 PM Dec 2020

Gov. Andrew Cuomo signs law that allows NY to prosecute those pardoned by a President



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Cuomo signs law that allows NY to prosecute those pardoned by a President
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed legislation on Wednesday that will allow the state to prosecute people who have received a presidential pardon for the same offense, which could potentially affect...
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11:21 PM · Dec 12, 2020


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/politics/andrew-cuomo-double-jeopardy-law/index.html
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Gov. Andrew Cuomo signs law that allows NY to prosecute those pardoned by a President (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2020 OP
Whether or not that's necessary, I love it! soothsayer Dec 2020 #1
++++ agree iluvtennis Dec 2020 #24
Just to make it absolutely, abundantly, pellucidly clear Hekate Dec 2020 #2
Wow. lindysalsagal Dec 2020 #3
Pocket Pardon? Arne Dec 2020 #4
Cuomo's a bulldog I love it. Tribetime Dec 2020 #5
I don't see the Supreme Court allowing this. Patterson Dec 2020 #6
nothing to do with federal crimes. drray23 Dec 2020 #13
Already have.... paleotn Dec 2020 #28
Clear message delivered! Brainfodder Dec 2020 #7
Wow.. Rt TY! Justice! Cha Dec 2020 #8
I'll take this as the second good news of the day msfiddlestix Dec 2020 #9
LOVE IT !!!! alittlelark Dec 2020 #10
This only applies to a crime that is alleged to have occurred in NY correct? MichMan Dec 2020 #11
If it's a crime under NY state law, yes. paleotn Dec 2020 #27
No dsc Dec 2020 #41
Well, if Biden picks Cuomo for A.G. then I guess this answers the question will Biden go after Trump Botany Dec 2020 #12
I don't think Cuomo will be wnylib Dec 2020 #17
Smart man. nt birdographer Dec 2020 #18
Then Glenn Kirschner Please. Lock him up. Dec 2020 #23
He would never get confirmation by McConnell's Senate n/t moonscape Dec 2020 #39
(IF Moscow Mitch remains maj.lead.) Yeah, he's too good... Lock him up. Dec 2020 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2020 #26
Cuomo already said he wasn't interested. n/t BComplex Dec 2020 #34
I guess being NY Attorney General previously is irrelevant? Pachamama Dec 2020 #38
Oops. My bad. I forgot wnylib Dec 2020 #40
New York has known Trump for longer than any other state. It is appropriate that they Nitram Dec 2020 #14
And if they fight extradition from Florida? kentuck Dec 2020 #15
Speaking of extradition, is trial in absentia wnylib Dec 2020 #19
Excellent! 👏👏👏👏 SheltieLover Dec 2020 #16
Go Gov! Go Gov! Go Gov! Tom Yossarian Joad Dec 2020 #20
KNR Lucinda Dec 2020 #21
Given the willingness of presidents to pardon people before they have been tried Raven123 Dec 2020 #22
yes, how can a pardon be given to someone who hasn't even been charged? RicROC Dec 2020 #42
This Is Old News GB_RN Dec 2020 #25
Apparently the OP is just catching up on the news. former9thward Dec 2020 #36
Perhaps it's more relevant now? Cetacea Dec 2020 #43
Perhaps GB_RN Dec 2020 #46
Right. Cetacea Dec 2020 #48
Fan.fuckin.tastic!!!! ⚡ Duppers Dec 2020 #29
That's why he makes the big bucks. JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #30
Good to see you up and about lillypaddle Dec 2020 #32
It's good to be. JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #37
Yes, he would make a FINE AG nt lillypaddle Dec 2020 #31
Good. I just hope that they do not accept a plea deal for cstanleytech Dec 2020 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Dec 2020 #35
This is why Chump will never set foot in New York again FakeNoose Dec 2020 #44
I hope this undertaking bears fruit. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #45

drray23

(7,637 posts)
13. nothing to do with federal crimes.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:01 PM
Dec 2020

what Cuomo did is get rid of a state law which considered state crimes to be in jeopardy if federal crimes were pardonned. its strictly a state law issue. As a matter of fact its already the case in most states. Trump can still be pardoned for federal crimes but if there are also state crimes ny state will go forward.

paleotn

(17,970 posts)
28. Already have....
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 05:55 PM
Dec 2020

Settled by SCOTUS in Gamble v. US. Alito, Thomas and Kavanaugh sided with the majority, so I really don't want to hear any right wing angst. I really don't. Ginsberg and Gorsuch dissented.

msfiddlestix

(7,286 posts)
9. I'll take this as the second good news of the day
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:46 PM
Dec 2020

Kind of feels like an important step towards "justice for all" in the context of this autocratic regime.

Time to move on with the rest of the day now.

Thanks Nd!.

MichMan

(11,974 posts)
11. This only applies to a crime that is alleged to have occurred in NY correct?
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:48 PM
Dec 2020

Does it also mean that someone could be convicted by both NY State and the Federal government for the same exact crime?

paleotn

(17,970 posts)
27. If it's a crime under NY state law, yes.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 05:52 PM
Dec 2020

Settled by SCOTUS in Gamble v. US 7 to 2. Ironically, Alito wrote the majority opinion. And this law is tailor made for the blanket pardons we'll see shortly that tie the hands of a Biden Justice department. Also makes that crazy ass idea of self pardoning moot.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
41. No
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 06:21 AM
Dec 2020

Since NY bans that. The whole reason this law is needed is it was unclear as to the case of pardon.

Botany

(70,585 posts)
12. Well, if Biden picks Cuomo for A.G. then I guess this answers the question will Biden go after Trump
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 03:54 PM
Dec 2020

n/t

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
17. I don't think Cuomo will be
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:41 PM
Dec 2020

picked by Biden. Cuomo is a lawyer, but has not practiced law in court for many years (if ever). Cuomo has repeatedly said that he has no interest in a federal position. He was Secretary of Housing and Urban Development under Clinton and says that was enough of federal government for him.

Lock him up.

(6,941 posts)
23. Then Glenn Kirschner Please.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 05:28 PM
Dec 2020
Either USAG or Special Prosecutor: He knows how to demonstrate evidence to Grand Jury's, no doubt.

Lock him up.

(6,941 posts)
47. (IF Moscow Mitch remains maj.lead.) Yeah, he's too good...
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 03:26 PM
Dec 2020
Special Prosecutor of all the Drumpf mob's crimes then (doesn't require corrupt turtleman's confirmation).

Response to wnylib (Reply #17)

wnylib

(21,611 posts)
40. Oops. My bad. I forgot
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 03:32 AM
Dec 2020

about his time as NY AG.

But he still says he is not interested in any federal positions.

Nitram

(22,890 posts)
14. New York has known Trump for longer than any other state. It is appropriate that they
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 04:37 PM
Dec 2020

should be the state to bring Trump and his crimes to justice.

Raven123

(4,867 posts)
22. Given the willingness of presidents to pardon people before they have been tried
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 05:26 PM
Dec 2020

i can understand this.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
42. yes, how can a pardon be given to someone who hasn't even been charged?
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 09:57 AM
Dec 2020

Pardon given in case, in advance, a person is charged? That makes no sense should not be recognized by any court.

GB_RN

(2,384 posts)
25. This Is Old News
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 05:44 PM
Dec 2020

Cuomo signed that a year ago. In fact, the linked CNN article is from October of 2019. I’m confused as to why it’s being tweeted about over a year later.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
43. Perhaps it's more relevant now?
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 12:40 PM
Dec 2020

Some stories are worth repeating. Too many are forgotten down the great memory hole.

GB_RN

(2,384 posts)
46. Perhaps
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 01:35 PM
Dec 2020

But the tweet made it seem as if the law and signing thereof had just happened - which led to the OP doing the same (not a criticism of the OP, just the tweet). It should have been worded differently so as not to give that impression. JMO, though.

JohnnyRingo

(18,641 posts)
30. That's why he makes the big bucks.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:34 PM
Dec 2020

...as they say.

Governing is one endless chess game where every move has consequences.
Epic move Governor

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
33. Good. I just hope that they do not accept a plea deal for
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:38 PM
Dec 2020

any convictions nor sentences that are lighter than what someone might get that was poor that commits a misdemeanor.

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