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NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 10:19 PM Dec 2020

NYT - Paul Krugman connects today's right wing madness to Reagan. Brilliant Op Ed

When Did Republicans Start Hating Facts"

A straight line runs from Reagan to the Trump dead-enders.

Paul Krugman
By Paul Krugman
Opinion Columnist

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/opinion/republicans-reagan-disinformation.html

Republicans spent most of 2020 rejecting science in the face of a runaway pandemic; now they’re rejecting democracy in the face of a clear election loss. What do these rejections have in common? In each case, one of America’s two major parties simply refused to accept facts it didn’t like. I’m not sure it’s right to say Republicans “believe” that, say, wearing face masks is useless or that there was widespread voter fraud. Framing the issue as one of belief suggests that some kind of evidence might change party loyalists’ minds.

In reality, what Republicans say they believe flows from what they want to do, whether it’s ignore a deadly disease or stay in power despite the voters’ verdict. In other words, the point isn’t that the G.O.P. believes untrue things. It is, rather, that the party has become hostile to the very idea that there’s an objective reality that might conflict with its political goals.

Notice, by the way, that I’m not including qualifiers, like saying “some” Republicans. We’re talking about most of the party here. The Texas lawsuit calling on the Supreme Court to overturn the election was both absurd and deeply un-American, but more than 60 percent of Republicans in the House signed a brief supporting it, and only a handful of elected Republicans denounced the suit. At this point, you aren’t considered a proper Republican unless you hate facts. But when and how did the G.O.P. get that way? If you think it started with Donald Trump and will end when he leaves the scene (if he ever does), you’re naïve.

Republicans have been heading in this direction for decades. I’m not sure whether we can pinpoint the moment when the party began its descent into malignant madness, but the trajectory that led to this moment probably became irreversible under Ronald Reagan. Republicans have, of course, turned Reagan into an icon, portraying him as the savior of a desperate, declining nation. Mostly, however, this is just propaganda. You’d never know from the legend that economic growth under Reagan was only slightly faster than it had been under Jimmy Carter, and slower than it would be under Bill Clinton.

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last part

For rejecting facts comes naturally to people who insist that they’re acting on behalf of God. So does refusing to accept election results that don’t go their way. After all, if liberals are servants of Satan trying to destroy America’s soul, they shouldn’t be allowed to exercise power even if they should happen to win more votes. Sure enough, a few days ago the televangelist Pat Robertson — who first became politically influential under Reagan — pronounced the Texas lawsuit a “miracle,” an intervention by God that would keep Trump in office. The point is that the G.O.P. rejection of facts that has been so conspicuous this year wasn’t an aberration. What we’re seeing is the culmination of a degradation that began a long time ago and is almost surely irreversible.

It is all worth reading - sorry about the paywall

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NYT - Paul Krugman connects today's right wing madness to Reagan. Brilliant Op Ed (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 OP
TY! Cha Dec 2020 #1
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2020 #2
Would've been brilliant if he'd written it about twenty years ago. pecosbob Dec 2020 #3
yep. me too. just kind of nice to see it written in an Op Ed these days. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 #4
Agreed pecosbob Dec 2020 #5
Sometimes a tsunami looks like just a swell on the ocean. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #10
Nobel Prize Economist Krugman was my link to sanity during the BushCheney years... Hekate Dec 2020 #16
'Krugman was my link to sanity' davekriss Dec 2020 #28
Nixon sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam for an election win in 1968. SunSeeker Dec 2020 #21
+1 Hugin Dec 2020 #25
Great read. Reagan was the start of this bullshit. Thanks for posting. jalan48 Dec 2020 #6
K&R c-rational Dec 2020 #7
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Dec 2020 #8
Yes melman Dec 2020 #9
While I agree that those people have failed to own up to how they helped Blue_true Dec 2020 #15
But the never tRumpers supported Ronnie in their bones... JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #11
Krugman is now and has always been a liberal Hekate Dec 2020 #17
Yes... JoeOtterbein Dec 2020 #18
I believe it started with Nixon. Blue_true Dec 2020 #12
And, let's not forget how Reagan also ignored HIV until it Marie Marie Dec 2020 #13
NRaleighLiberal.... Upthevibe Dec 2020 #14
McCarthy-Eisenhower-Nixon-Reagan-Bush 1&2, Trump Midnight Writer Dec 2020 #19
Eisenhower gave the world the Dulles Bros. n/t retread Dec 2020 #23
if he doesn't blame rw radio and limbaugh he's just another analyst in a city with no clue certainot Dec 2020 #20
This. And our messaging hasn't been crafted and broadcast in a compelling enough way. JudyM Dec 2020 #29
Kick PK OPED! burrowowl Dec 2020 #22
Completely agree. Reagan's election in 1980 was the turning point. Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #24
I think the divisiveness began, on a much smaller scale, after the Watergate break in when.... George II Dec 2020 #26
I've also been thinking about how all this started with Reagan. ananda Dec 2020 #27
Paul Krugman strikes again. calimary Dec 2020 #30

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
3. Would've been brilliant if he'd written it about twenty years ago.
Mon Dec 14, 2020, 11:42 PM
Dec 2020

I can think of at least a half a dozen posters here at DU who've been saying this for decades...myself included. The Rubicon was crossed when Reagan traded arms for hostages for an election win.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,356 posts)
10. Sometimes a tsunami looks like just a swell on the ocean.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:34 AM
Dec 2020

The pandemic and this election shit may be enough to get people to notice how we got here. They're sitting at home and you can only watch so many pharma commercials waiting for breathless talk show hosts to say the same thing again. Sooner or later, somebody reads who is not used to it.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
16. Nobel Prize Economist Krugman was my link to sanity during the BushCheney years...
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:57 AM
Dec 2020

...As it happens, that was 20 years ago. He has been an acute observer of RW politics for longer than that. He’s a liberal.

Anyway, now that you’ve been introduced, so to speak, here’s one link among many
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman

davekriss

(4,618 posts)
28. 'Krugman was my link to sanity'
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM
Dec 2020

Mine, too. I still read him twice a week, though today there are more reality grounded, progressive voices to be heard. Requires that I read a lot more!

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
21. Nixon sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam for an election win in 1968.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 01:20 AM
Dec 2020
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461

Reagan was not original in that respect. Republicans have been cheating scum, willing to sell the country down the river since Hoover.

What Reagan really did to change the GOP was cultivating racist, reality-hating right wing evangelicals.

From the article:

This rejection of science partly reflected deference to special interests that didn’t want science-based regulation. Even more important, however, was the influence of the religious right, which first became a major political force under Reagan, has become ever more central to the Republican coalition and is now a major driver of the party’s rejection of facts — and democracy.

For rejecting facts comes naturally to people who insist that they’re acting on behalf of God. So does refusing to accept election results that don’t go their way. After all, if liberals are servants of Satan trying to destroy America’s soul, they shouldn’t be allowed to exercise power even if they should happen to win more votes.

The point is that the G.O.P. rejection of facts that has been so conspicuous this year wasn’t an aberration. What we’re seeing is the culmination of a degradation that began a long time ago and is almost surely irreversible.



The loony evangelical right is now the GOP base. We can't change these loons' minds. We need to spend our precious time and resources on increasing our own base by going after nonvoters. Those folks are persuadable, and we need to make it easier for them to vote. And we need to add DC and Puerto Rico as states.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
9. Yes
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:33 AM
Dec 2020

The whole Never Trumper con is based on pretending this all just started and the GOP was good before 2016. That is the idea charlatans like Nicolle Wallace, Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson, Jennifer Rubin and all the rest are selling. It's a lie.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. While I agree that those people have failed to own up to how they helped
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:56 AM
Dec 2020

create a Trump, they are now on our side. It definitely seems to be a marriage of convenience to them, except for Wallace, who except for her fondness of W, appears to have turned to the right page. I really don’t know how to handle the Never Trumpers, at one level, I can never trust them, while on another level I realize that they help us potentially close elections.

What I hope comes out of the farce that a Trump has run since Nov 3 is that republicans who truly believed in the rule of law, but had to be republicans have had the rose-colored shades knocked from their eyes and now see that even they are not safe if they follow the laws that we have. Hopefully the threats of harm that they are getting and them having to have police protection will wake them up and force them to look at the cold and brutal reality of what they have stood for for decades, and understand that led them and us to where we are today. They can no longer justify things like voter suppression, because that endangers them now.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
11. But the never tRumpers supported Ronnie in their bones...
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:38 AM
Dec 2020

...and now all of a sudden they discover that Repubs lie?

Jeeze.

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
18. Yes...
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 01:08 AM
Dec 2020

...I was referring to retrumplicans. Specifically the "never tRumpers" who fell for Raygun and the rest of the lying repubs until tRump. Like they never knew how evil the party has been, and continues to be, since at least Nixon.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. I believe it started with Nixon.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:43 AM
Dec 2020

Reagan refined it to a dangerous art form. Reagan also brought extreme religious people into the republican power calculus, Nixon toyed with that element, but never put it front and center like Reagan did.

Nixon brought about the southern strategy, an act that directly pitted Americans against each other. Reagan brought the element of race in that strategy to the surface, Nixon had shied away from using race as the bludgeoning tool that Reagan did.

What we have now is that the vast majority of evangelicals and an increasing number of hyper religious Catholics and Jewish people see anyone that don the share their point of view as incarnate evil, for the time being they have a truce with each other, at least until they destroy the “secular humanists” or basically anyone who isn’t them. So they can witness a monster putting children in cages and having them sleep on hard floors and not be repulsed by that, to them that monstrosity is all part of God’s plan.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
13. And, let's not forget how Reagan also ignored HIV until it
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 12:47 AM
Dec 2020

spiraled into unthinkable amount of suffering and deaths. Yup, Reagan is responsible for so much of our downfall as a nation. Union busting, the decline of the middle class, tax cuts for the rich resulting in huge deficits and on and on.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
19. McCarthy-Eisenhower-Nixon-Reagan-Bush 1&2, Trump
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 01:16 AM
Dec 2020

The ghosts of McCarthy and his man Roy Cohn are still with us. Trump has a very McCarthy style.

Eisenhower got in bed with the Evangelist Right and fostered the military-industrial complex.

Nixon went full Southern Strategy. (And was nakedly corrupt)

As did Reagan. Also the "figurehead" strategy. As Gil Scot-Heron said "America wanted John Wayne. They settled for Ronald Reagan"

Reagan also laid bare the Party of the Rich strategy, making it respectable with it's Ayn Rand philosophy.

Bush's were President As Tools advocates. As Grover Norquist said, the people he works for just wants a President with enough working digits to sign whatever they put in front of him. W went hard for the crank vote.

And then Trump. Need I?


 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
20. if he doesn't blame rw radio and limbaugh he's just another analyst in a city with no clue
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 01:19 AM
Dec 2020

i like his stuff in general but how much longer are democrats and liberals going to keep walking around the stinking pile of shit under the living room rug?

it was limbaugh and sons on 1500 radio stations for years that made reagan into a god while he and bush should have been in jail for the 'october surprise'

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
29. This. And our messaging hasn't been crafted and broadcast in a compelling enough way.
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 01:51 PM
Dec 2020

We know we have right on our side but we seem to think it speaks for itself. Clearly, it only speaks to those of us who are tuning in.

George II

(67,782 posts)
26. I think the divisiveness began, on a much smaller scale, after the Watergate break in when....
Tue Dec 15, 2020, 11:00 AM
Dec 2020

....Nixon and his closest advisors circled the wagons and "stonewalled" the investigations.

Back in August C-Span or PBS ran their Watergate documentary - republicans were almost as one-minded a bloc as they are today. Then after months of holding back the tapes, when they were finally released along with the "smoking gun" tape, the dam broke and republicans lined up behind impeachment. But even then, there were a half dozen on the Judiciary Committee who didn't budge.

But the right wing madness really accelerated under Reagan and Bush. That was about the time that Reagan relaxed FCC media ownership rules, Rush Limbaugh and RW talk shows showed up. They mushroomed under Bush and by the time Clinton was elected they were almost at the level of poison that they are today.

From there it was down hill to the point that we're at today, and I don't know if it will ever be fully turned around. But groups like The Lincoln Project and Republican Vets Against Trump, the two most prominent, are a refreshing change and hopefully will continue their work after Biden takes over. I see that the Lincoln Project intends to remain active. They've admitted that although there will be (in reality, almost has to be) two separate ideologies, the only way things can progress is through compromise like it was decades ago.

Hopefully all the old, crusty, nasty republicans will one day soon be pushed out of office, with the help of those conservative groups, and we can get back to where we were in the 1950s and early 1960s, and even to a degree in the 1970s.

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