One final transphobic EFF YOU to the Democratic Party by Tulsi Gabbard

[Tarc]

In controversial last move, Gabbard introduces bill targeting transgender athletes

WASHINGTON, D.C. (HawaiiNewsNow) - U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard is making one last controversial move before leaving Congress.

On Thursday, the Hawaii congresswoman introduced the “Protect Women’s Sports Act,” a new bill that would block schools from federal funding if they allowed transgender students to play on girls’ teams.

Gabbard said it’s needed to protect female athletes under Title IX because of the “average difference in abilities conferred by biological sex.”

Good riddance.

[LostOne4Ever]

14. Trans women are women and girls too...(nt)

[Ellen Forradalom]

16. Human females

exist and have rights.

[LostOne4Ever]

17. Trans women ARE human females (nt)

[obamanut2012]

19. Trans women are "human women with rights"

JUST STOP IT!

EarlG really needs to update the TOS regarding TERF beliefs.

[LostOne4Ever]

24. Thank you 🙏

We need to be clear this type of stuff has to stop!

[Codeine]

26. Seriously. This shit is fucking unacceptable. nt

[demmiblue]

21. Glad to be a part of a TERFers hide.

[LostOne4Ever]

23. Thank you 🙏 (nt)

[demmiblue]

25. ...

[Turin_C3PO]

29. Trans women

ARE human women. Would you like to rephrase?

[obamanut2012]

18. Trans women are women

Just stop it.

[Freedomofspeech]

2. She is obviously a republican.

Good riddance.

[RockRaven]

3. A little extra oomph behind her bid to be the next "Democrat" guest panel talking head on FUX.

I cannot imagine she won't get a gig there right away.

[Codeine]

4. Get ready for the defenders

and their TERF talking points.

[mr_lebowski]

5. I'm not going to defend HER, but it's not a completely unreasonable stance IMHO ...

Maybe not so much in high school sports, but at the collegiate level or in the Olympics?

Particularly in sports where physical strength is a major component to success?

I see both sides, I'll leave it at that.

And I've said so in a number of discussion on this board on the subject, when TG had nothing to do with it.

[JonLP24]

7. I think she is doing this for her MAGA followers

I don't think this has much chance of succeeding but the worst part is it removes federal funding. States have their own laws.

I think Betsy Devos has done more to weaken Title 9 more than anything else.

DeVos finalizes regulations that give more rights to those accused of sexual assault on college campuses

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/education-secretary-betsy-devos-title-ix-regulations/index.html

If a state has a law that allows trans in sports I don't think they should lose federal funding.

[mr_lebowski]

8. Yeah no I don't support these actions she's suggesting whatsoever ... **** Tulsi Gabbard.

Just saying that, philosophically, I can see both sides to the argument 'what is truly fair?'.

It's one of those things that's not necessarily cut and dry.

[JonLP24]

9. I can see that

Though some take the winning or losing aspects of sports too seriously and there is never a truly level playing field. I think Cheryl Miller would have done well in high school men's basketball. She used to beat Reggie Miller all the time though he was younger but still he ended up in the NBA Hall of Fame.

I also think of the positive experiences of playing on a team or having fun and don't want to end up discriminating against the trans athletes.

There are much more qualified experts to handle this topic so I leave it up to them rather than taking a strong opinion either way.

[FreeState]

12. Science and civil rights groups disagree

https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbt-rights/four-myths-about-trans-athletes-debunked/

FACT: Trans athletes do not have an unfair advantage in sports.

MYTH: Trans athletes’ physiological characteristics provide an unfair advantage over cis athletes.

Women and girls who are trans face discrimination and violence that makes it difficult to even stay in school. According to the U.S. Trans Survey, 22 percent of trans women who were perceived as trans in school were harassed so badly they had to leave school because of it. Another 10 percent were kicked out of school. The idea that women and girls have an advantage because they are trans ignores the actual conditions of their lives.

Trans athletes vary in athletic ability just like cisgender athletes. “One high jumper could be taller and have longer legs than another, but the other could have perfect form, and then do better,” explains Andraya Yearwood, a student track athlete and ACLU client. “One sprinter could have parents who spend so much money on personal training for their child, which in turn, would cause that child to run faster," she adds. In Connecticut, where cisgender girl runners have tried to block Andraya from participating in the sport she loves, the very same cis girls who have claimed that trans athletes have an “unfair” advantage have consistently performed as well as or better than transgender competitors.

"A person’s genetic make-up and internal and external reproductive anatomy are not useful indicators of athletic performance,”according to Dr. Joshua D. Safer. “For a trans woman athlete who meets NCAA standards, “there is no inherent reason why her physiological characteristics related to athletic performance should be treated differently from the physiological characteristics of a non-transgender woman.”

https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbt-rights/four-myths-about-trans-athletes-debunked/

[mr_lebowski]

13. Love the ACLU, but I think they're making specious claims, at least in many sports ...

If it were not, there would be no LPGA, no WNBA, there would be female MLB and NFL players, the Olympics wouldn't be divided between male and female in like 95% of events, etc.

You can certainly argue about the fairness of excluding trans females from cis-females sports, esp. at the high-school and lower levels, but to claim that having male biology does not confer an advantage over a female one in many (if not most) competitive sports? I very seriously doubt that 'science' backs that idea, frankly. In High School it may be more believable due to the fact that females naturally mature faster, but beyond that? I don't think so.

There are CERTAIN sports where it doesn't, I will grant that. Gymnastics and Figure Skating are the first that come to mind for me.

I am not taking a stand for or against either viewpoint WRT to 'what should be done', only saying I don't consider this to be a simple matter. I support trans people, of course, but I also support women in general. I don't like the idea of cis women being put at a disadvantage in women's sports, and I believe they would be if biology were completely ignored across the board.

[LostOne4Ever]

15. What advantages does a trans girl have

If they been on puberty blockers and female HRT since before puberty?

They have a girl’s bone structure, LESS androgens in their system than Cis-females, AND weaker bone density?

[mr_lebowski]

22. Okay well if we're talking about limiting participation to those cases, then we're entering into a

realm where I could see there being true fairness in competition. Fair enough

BUT ... are you prepared to say though 'trans girls can compete with cis-girls, but only if they started on certain drug regimens prior to puberty'?

Because I'm betting if you really think that through, you'll decide you're not entirely comfortable with that plan either.

You cannot know when puberty occurs ... in advance. The very notion of saying you 'starting taking them before puberty' gets hazy ... unless you started at like 10 or below. That's just one potential issue. What about girls for whom doctors said 'don't do this drug regimen before puberty', for some health reason? Do they get waivers somehow?

In my defense, I'm a Libra, and although I don't really believe in Astrology ... I'm very much a fairness 'buff' if you will. That's the only reason I slightly bristle at this idea in general. I WANT to be accommodating, but ...

[FreeState]

27. Do you have any scientific peer reviewed articles

that support your assertions and disprove the UCLA's post and their experts?

[mr_lebowski]

33. How about you spell out to me what you think the 'conditions' should be

when it comes to trans-female athletes competing in girls/women's sports ... what they should look like?

I mean, you do think there should be SOME sort of guidelines/rules on the subject, right?

Because that's my take. I don't think you can have a free-for-all. If you've never had any hormone treatment ... then don't even ask to play on the girls team. As a start.

I just think there needs to be rules that make it fair, and that those rules might vary from sport to sport. And those rules MAY, unfortunately, cause certain trans-women to be excluded from certain women's sports.

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that we don't NEED to accommodate these young women athletes in this way. The only question is ... what's the way to do so that's fair to everyone. This is where the debate comes in, and it's not a simple one.

[Sympthsical]

34. The Olympics have instituted rules

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1091417/ioc-guidelines-transgender-tokyo-2020

A consensus statement published in 2015 approved the eligibility of those who transition from male to female in the female category under a series of conditions.

The athlete would have to have declared that their gender identity is female, with the declaration unable to be changed for a minimum of four years.

Athletes would also be required to demonstrate that their total testosterone level in serum has been below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months prior to their first competition - with the requirement for any longer period to be based on a confidential case-by-case evaluation, considering whether or not 12 months is a sufficient length of time to minimize any advantage in women’s competition.

An athlete's total testosterone level in serum must remain below 10 nmol/L throughout the period of desired eligibility to compete in the female category.

Compliance with the conditions may be monitored by testing, with non-compliance leading to eligibility to compete in events being suspended for 12 months.

One of the problems we have is that each locality often has its own rules. In some places, the school districts went with declared gender and nothing else. Well, suffice to say, transwomen destroyed the competition in a lot of cases. They still had male biology on their side.

This is not a cut and dried topic, and it's a little insulting when people claim it is. The entire point of Title IX was to give women and girls a fair platform to compete. If we do away with that because no one wants to be called a TERF, what's the point?

Cyd Zeigler, the founder of OutSports, had a really good editorial on the topic not too long ago. Paraphrasing, he said, "The question isn't whether or not trans athletes be allowed to compete. It's how we can include them in competition?"

And that's a discussion worth having. We want to create a system where women and girls, trans or cis, are competing on a level field. Biology is central to that discussion. That's why the Olympics are testing the rules they are about testosterone. I find it's usually cis people who are calling everyone a TERF for simply asking questions (just as straight people are forever telling me, as a gay man, how I should feel about whatever's happening on Twitter any given week). It's short-sighted and insulting.

It's meant to shut people up instead of finding solutions that protect and include everyone. God forbid.

[mr_lebowski]

35. Thank you ... we are in exact agreement ...

What TULSI is suggesting is cut-and-dry fucked up, mind you, but the overall subject is really pretty nuanced (or should be) to a thinking person.

There does need to be rules, like the Olympics says. And they need to adhere to science, not just 'what we prefer it to be'. We're not the Cons, we are logical and considering, foremost. And FAIR.

Or so I like to think

[obamanut2012]

20. first reply

Waiting for the Rowling love to be posted now.

[Takket]

6. buh bye!

[Demsrule86]

10. She also did some anti- choice shit too.

[Under The Radar]

11. I still don't understand what Vladimir saw in her as a candidate

[Dem4Life1102]

28. When will she start her new job

as a FAUX contributor?

[tavernier]

30. Clear me up on this...

Does that mean that Bruce Jenner, now a female (sorry, forgot her name), could fairly compete athletically against other females?
I guess I can see the problem with that.
Maybe I’m not understanding the what Ms. G is saying.

[hunter]

31. Why does government fund or subsidize any competitive sports?

It's all freakish religion to me and certainly not the best way to encourage physical fitness in children.

[Silent3]

32. I wish schools put as much emphasis on academics and sports

Win the debate championship, maybe get a pizza party. Win a football championship, get a parade.