Maybe it's just me, but I am really annoyed to see so many people

[onecaliberal]

Getting the vaccine before doctors and nurses. Especially those supporting the maskless and super spreader events.

[louslobbs]

1. It's not just you.

Lou

[Harker]

19. +33 more. n/t

[Onlyserious]

27. Unpublished letter to my Newspaper...

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Vaccines and Leadership:

It is with great interest that I read in the Tulsa World that Senators Lankford and Inhofe were at the front of the line to receive the Covid19 vaccine. I am sure they think they were showing "leadership" by demonstrating to that they think it's "safe and effective." However, it calls attention to their lack of leadership on the issue of masks, social distancing, other preventative behaviors.

Almost from the very beginning, masks have been recommended, yet there is Sen. Lankford appearing in a Tulsa World photo with the entire mask-less Oklahoma delegation waiting to welcome a mask-less president to a super-spreader event. While he is currently being seen wearing masks, he has yet to condemn large Trump rallies, mega-church services and other high-risk events and has argued against mandates that could lessoned the outrageous death toll (315,000+).

Senator Inhofe, when asked about what precautions he was taking, famously ridiculed a reporter by extending his arm and saying "Wanna shake hands?" By continually downplaying the risks of the pandemic and having earned the reputation as the top science denier in the Senate, it seems at jarring to see him at the front of vaccination line.

To be fair, somebody other than our two senators probably placed them at the head of the line. But Senators Lankford and Inhofe could have demonstrated true leadership by giving up their doses to a frontline nurse or an ER doctor.

S. H. Tulsa

[Harker]

29. "Unpublished" says a lot.

You're doing some fine "bad-ass" work there.

[renate]

45. not all letters to the editor get published

[Harker]

47. Thoughtful ones should get a boost.

[iluvtennis]

35. + 1 agree with the poster above... this was a real "bad-ass" letter to the newspaper.

Welcome to DU Onlyserious.

[Karadeniz]

62. Well, that didn't take long! Thanks for sharing!

[Joelteply]

82. Well, it got published here

And we can send it to our friends and family too.

[Blue Owl]

2. +1

Same here...

[Ferrets are Cool]

3. Welcome to our "class" system.

[LizBeth]

4. I had an instant reaction seeing a young healthy person getting it and told she was simply more

important.

Yes, it is hard watching the privileged in there before medical people anyway.

[NurseJackie]

17. You weren't the only one. More education. Less grandstanding.

[cwydro]

18. Many of us agree with you.

[LizBeth]

21. Thank you. It was good to see others agree. I was surprised how the thread went once I considered.

It was the reaction to seeing healthy young, then lecturing us like I am a dumb shit, while stuck in my house, no work, waiting on that UI decision. It all kinda accumulated into that one thread, llol.

[cwydro]

44. Yeah, I really loved the one post telling us how we should understand some are more important

than others. Must make them feel god-like to have that decision making power.

Personally, I don’t think a single mother trying to survive or an older person trying to stay safe is any less important than Rubio, Gaetz, McConnell, or yes, even Ocasio-Cortez.

[LizBeth]

53. Right. I mean, right? We need to have this conversation, for sure. We are forgetting the basics.

Gas lighting does that. And we are getting it from different angles... Social media has found a way to feed it and being aware is the first step, lol. This has been very interesting, educational and thought provoking. So, thank you. I felt so out there and alone. I am seeing that no, a reasonable conversation.

All this while being told they are there to take care of us, fighting for us, and can do better than our Liberal Dems like Pelosi, and Pelosi has been there every step of the way fighting for me, and you, and kept us informed all the way showing us she knew the importance, dire need. Yes, thank you. Gas lighting.

[LizBeth]

54. Basic. We have always approached and now we are told, nah.... Politician is more important and

demanding we accept. No. Lol. How dare we. This was interesting. I am glad we had this conversation over the last 24 hours. It is important. Social media star doesn't trump. and I do not mean a pun, it just happened.

[Skittles]

57. I hear you

especially someone who is known for railing against the privileged

[LizBeth]

64. Right, lol. Thank you for hearing me.

[dem4decades]

5. Like Little Marco? Yeah he's a piece of shit.

[Pacifist Patriot]

6. I blew by annoyed and have become outraged.

[blueinredohio]

25. That makes two of us. Utter bullshit!

[Ligyron]

7. How did they manage that?

Thought the vaccine was only distributed to those who administer them to critical health care workers, first responders, etc. 1st?

Maybe the etc. is too expansive.

[Autumn]

84. States are prioritizing, there is a limited supply more on the way. CO and Washington DC

started vaccinating doctors and nurses at hospitals on Dec 14.

[AleksS]

8. Me too.

If there’s evidence a person was maskless or encouraged others to be maskless they should be banned from the vaccine. They took their chances and shouldn’t be taking away others.

Now’s their chance to get what they were asking for without harming the rest of us who would get vaccinated.

[global1]

9. And Just To Give These People Cover - The Story They Tell Is.....

that because they are politicians, celebrities or athletes they are using themselves as role models or examples to people that might be anti-vaccine.

That is the con that is going on now and that is why so many of them are jumping ahead of the line to get the vaccine.

Many might be paying money to jump the line - but they use the role-model/example excuse.

Must be nice to be among the privileged class.

[cwydro]

12. That's exactly what they're doing.

It’s sickening.

[GoneOffShore]

28. Sure, I'd like to see those who fought against masks and said 'It's a hoax' not get it, but

by taking the vaccine they are basically admitting that

1) - not a hoax

2) - takes the wind out of a lot of the anti-vaxx crowds noise

For the other people getting it, like AOC, it's definitely a 'role model' thing. And with the number of Republican legislators who are 'super spreaders', I want our reps in Congress to be protected.

[Ferryboat]

10. Beyond annoying,

All those who resisted basic precautions during these trying times yelling fake news its a hoax etc. Elbowing their way to the front of true frontline workers.

Not surprising to see assholes acting like assholes.

[CrispyQ]

11. It's not just you. -nt

[iluvtennis]

36. +1000. nt

[Irish_Dem]

13. It's obscene. Makes me mad and disgusted. nt

[lildDemz]

14. Careful, now--

someone will claim you want to put 666 on their foreheads.

[roamer65]

22. If the Antichrist goes after these fake Christians, I'll gladly take that mark.

[AllaN01Bear]

15. ive been annoyed by a lot of things in this country for a long time .

have a very long list . yea i thought paramedics , ambulance drivers nurses , er tecs etc were supposed to get first . rich people should be very last.

[treestar]

33. They have better ability to social distance and quarantine too

They can afford longer times off work to stay home. They have a nice home to stay in.

[CrispyQ]

38. +1 -nt

[LeftInTX]

58. My friends who work in health care got their shots last week

[onecaliberal]

66. Not one healthcare worker in our city has gotten it.

Oh and we have 0 ICU beds in this county.

[danclinger1000]

16. It's the American way...

that the celebs, politicians, and other wealthy connected social divas come first. It has always been so. Why should it change now just because folks are dying?

[roamer65]

20. Congress critters should get it on the same schedule as regular Americans.

They are definitely replaceables.

[Marcus Pullarius]

23. annoying yes

But there is an argument for those most likely to be super-spreaders to be vaccinated first, thereby minimizing their threat as quickly as possible. Those of us wearing masks and taking precautions are less likely to be a source of contagion. The real enemy in this case is the virus. Hello DU, long time lurker here!

[FailureToCommunicate]

24. Welcome to the light!

(Winter Solstice 2020, good time to step out of darkness and into the light)

[KS Toronado]

34. Welcome Marcus, you make a good point even though I'd like to see them at the end of the line

Always use more deep thinkers around here.

[marble falls]

56. I think any scheme would bring loud concerned debate. I'm all for whatever it is Dr Fauci and ...

... President Biden have in mind.

But I like your thought and logic. Prioritize those who come in contact with a lot of random others.

[DENVERPOPS]

61. Sooooo

by default we vaccinate all the 73 MILLION trump humper maskless first??????????

[Marcus Pullarius]

63. well...

I was envisioning something more like a tranquilizing dart, vaccination and maybe an ear tag, then releasing them back into the wild. Most importantly, eliminating the threat to the general public. Gentleness is completely discretionary.

[DENVERPOPS]

71. How about a vaccine

containing KCL..........

[MrsCoffee]

81. No. Unknown if vaccinated people may still be able to spread the virus. So just NO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html

Here’s Why Vaccinated People Still Need to Wear a Mask

The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid. No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming.

The new Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna seem to be remarkably good at preventing serious illness. But it’s unclear how well they will curb the spread of the coronavirus.

That’s because the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus — especially if they come in close contact with others or stop wearing masks.

If vaccinated people are silent spreaders of the virus, they may keep it circulating in their communities, putting unvaccinated people at risk.

“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”

[Marcus Pullarius]

85. good point, Mrs. Coffee. n/t

[onecaliberal]

49. The class of "elites" of course.

[liberalmuse]

30. I'm furious.

The same people poo-pooing any preventative measures are first in line to get the vaccine. Fucking Graham and the like should be booted to the end of the queue. I'm so sick of most of Congress. They need to be dropped in a live volcano.

[Arne]

39. Early Tom Hanks,

Joe and the Volcano reference.

[KS Toronado]

31. Since all the virus deniers out there are republicans,

Maybe we should allow all Democrats to get the vaccine before nonessential republicans. Know that would
never happen but it would be fun to watch a Democratic lawmaker introduce such a bill repeating all of
trumpie's talking points......it's a hoax, no worse than the flu, what are you worried about? Remember
at the start of the pandemic, trump and company made sure PPE was favored to go to red states
before blue states? Well turn around is fair play, they can reap what they sowed.

[appleannie1]

32. You would not happen to be talking about GOP Congress critters and WH people now would you?

Nothing like getting vaccinated against a hoax. If I had known they were that worried I would have sent them a bundle of sage from my garden along with some crystals and tar water. They are much better against hoaxes and curses.

[debsy]

40. Our daughter and son-in-law are ED and ICU nurses in Rochester

They were not included in the first round of vaccines. They now have to wait until next week to even be considered for the second round.

We provide our military with second-to-none technology and top-quality healthcare (socialism at work). We outfit our police with top-notch, military-grade weaponry, good pay, great benefits during their employment (thanks to unions) and pensions after retirement (socialism at work). We provide fire fighters with the latest and greatest equipment that money can buy, great benefits during their employment (thanks to unions) and pensions after retirement (socialism at work). We provide our political "leaders" and "representatives" with great pay, the best healthcare (for life) and pensions after they qualify (socialism at work). Since healthcare is a for-profit, private industry, our healthcare workers get so much less than what they deserve. It is absolutely appalling that those who are putting their lives on the line every time they go to work at a hospital and/or clinic are not the first to receive the vaccine.

[onecaliberal]

51. Could not agree more with every point you make.

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I worry about the emotional status of our healthcare workers. They’re all watching as we spit on mitigation while they literally risk their very lives each day for people. Day after heartbreaking day.

[vapor2]

41. And someone please tell me why Pence should get the vaccine

since he knew everything trump knew and did nothing, said nothing.

[Mr.Bill]

60. Potential witness for the prosecution?

Prosecutors love a perpetrator with his profile. He'll flip in a minute if he fears going to jail.

[BainsBane]

70. Because he's a heartbeat away from being president

the immediate line of succession, including Pelosi, makes sense. The rest is pure privilege.

[zaj]

42. Its an important public act to help increase acceptance of the vaccine...

... to have "trusted" people like Pence, Rubio, McConnell, and others be very public in getting the vaccine.

It's much more than just classism (though that's part of it as well).

[Paper Roses]

43. Rupert Murdoch!

I guess it pays to have connections. Why did this man cut in line? My daughter is a doctor and has not yet been able to get a shot. Yes, she is treating Covid patients. My blood boils when I hear or read that the big names are first in line in some places. These same people might someday need a doctor and they are all exhausted treating patients.
What a screwed up system!

[LeftInTX]

59. UK over 75 got their's first

[cannabis_flower]

46. I'm a little annoyed....

That us volunteers won’t find out if we got the placebo or the vaccine until March. That will mean 3 more months of being extremely careful instead of extra careful.

[Paper Roses]

52. I don't believe in using placebos. Pity the poor soul who thinks he has been vaccinated.

I have always thought this procedure was unfair. If you signed up for a vaccination, you should get it. None of this---"lets see if it worked on this patient".

I have hope that this distribution works but I have a feeling that things are going to get even more messed up. Distribution problems immediately. Unfair choice of recipients. (rich and famous need to be first in line).

When the healthcare workers can't even get the vaccine, how can anyone else come first.
I'm mad as heck about this. Doctors, nurses and others are still waiting but celebrities get it.
Boy, what a messed up project. I realize the logistics are complicated but when Tom Hanks( Yes, I like him) et al get the shot and the hospital staff that cares for the patients does not...something is wrong with the whole thing.

Many states did not get the # of doses they were promised. Who was the genius that handled the allotment and distribution?

One screw up after another!

[LeftInTX]

74. My friend was in the pfizer trial. It's been unblinded. She got the vaccine

[cannabis_flower]

76. I called

They asked me first if I was a healthcare worker. Then they said I would be unblinded at my next appointment in March. I guess if your next appointment was in December you get it now.

[LeftInTX]

77. My friend is a healthcare worker

[cannabis_flower]

79. Well

There you go. The other volunteers are being unblinded and vaccinated at their next appointment. However since healthcare workers are supposed to get the shot first they are being unblinded right away.

[wryter2000]

48. I so agree

I wouldn't mind so much if they didn't give it to the ones who've been crying "hoax" and not wearing masks.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

55. Fascist Oligarch eXtremists and the Gangsters Of Putin come before peasants

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/dufor2020runoff

A few questions: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14520874

and answers: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14520972

[halfulglas]

65. Healthy politicians aren't the only ones.

I've been seeing stories of CEOs and multimillionaires, etc who use the concierge medical practices are already letting their practices know they are expecting to jump the line. They thnk they are due by their status and have no intention of waiting until seniors and essential workers are finished. Some are calling hospitals and buying their way in by endowing a wing or some other way they can be be part of the medical center.

[BainsBane]

69. sick

This all pisses me off so much.

[Initech]

67. As someone who is a blood relative of someone who is working on the front lines every day...

It pisses me off to no fucking end to see COVID deniers like Ted Cruz get it before my brother does, and my brother is an emergency room doctor who has been seeing COVID patients from day one! Argh, sometimes I get the urge to throw things when I see shit like this happening. My brother isn't scheduled to get the vaccine until the end of fucking January.

[onecaliberal]

72. The only thing that dump was good for is ripping the bandaid off the rotting GOP.

There is no longer pretense. They’re not on team America.

[BainsBane]

68. I agree

absolutely.

[BobTheSubgenius]

73. The worst example of that of which I am aware is at Stanford.

It was a horrific act of selfishness, cowardice and entitlement.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

75. That was what really shocked me about the news I got today.

I thought I was going to have to wait a lot longer.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

78. More lack of justice in the good ole USA?

Even before Pissolini move into the WH, we had this problem. It's only gotten worse.

If I ran the world, no COVID denier or "Yeah, it's real, but I'm only wearing a mask if they make me, and I gotta get out and socialize as much as ever" people would get the vaccine until after every single person who took this damn thing seriously from the beginning had theirs.

[MyMission]

80. I live in mark Meadows former district

His regional office was in my little town, and his replacement is from here as well.

SO we got the vaccine for distribution, 1 of 10 hospitals in NC to get it first. I was surprised, then not surprised. Meanwhile, we're having an outbreak here from a superspreader church event earlier this month, 100 cases so far. And while each site that gets it has their own guidelines on who gets the vaccine, I'm sure most reserve some for the VIPs.

The current administration has rolled out this distribution plan. Friends, family, donors, favored constituents are getting first dibs. I'm under 60, not expecting to be offered vaccine for a year, but then again, my county has (obvious?) connections.

[Autumn]

83. Our hospitals in CO started giving the vaccine to doctors and nurses the 14 of Dec. Washington DC

started vaccinating nurses and doctors at their hospitals on the 14th of December too. Congress stared getting vaccinated 4 days later. The vaccine has to be spread out and prioritized until there is enough for everyone. My Dr. told me I can get mine in Jan.

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