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LastLiberal in PalmSprings

(13,284 posts)
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:03 PM Dec 2020

Trump might fly Air Force One to a rally in Florida on Inauguration Day,

President Trump is considering a made-for-TV grand finale: a White House departure on Marine One and a final Air Force One flight to Florida for a political rally opposite Joe Biden's inauguration, sources familiar with the discussions tell Axios.

Why it matters: The former network star is privately discussing using his waning powers as commander in chief to order up the exit he wants after dissing Biden by refusing to concede the election, welcome him to the White House or commit to attending his inauguration.

The big picture: The Trump talk could create a split-screen moment: the outgoing president addressing a roaring crowd in an airport hangar while the incoming leader is sworn in before a socially distanced audience outside the Capitol, as NBC News first reported.

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Did we expect anything different?

Here's my solution: At 12:01 pm on January 20, President Biden, using his power as Commander-in-Chief, orders Air Force One to immediately return to Andrews. Since Trump holds his rallies in a hangar with AF1 in background, the television audience would be treated to watching the aircraft start up all four engines (thus drowning out any ranting he was doing) and pull decisively away from now-citizen Trump, symbolizing his total loss of power. And if the aircraft made a turn as it left its parking spot the crowd stuffed into the hangar would have the pleasure of being subjected to the sound and exhaust of four huge turbofan engines before they're chased out of the hangar by the military police, if the rally is being held on a military base.

Alternate plan B: If Trump plans on flying over the Capitol at noon during the oath of office as one last "fuck you" to democracy, the moment he is sworn in as CinC Biden instructs AF1 to divert to JFK International Airport, where Trump will be met by the appropriate New York City and state officers to arrest him. Now that is a split-screen image I'd pay good money to see.

Finally, there should be an all-out effort to let the network and cable news networks know that if they spit screen anything on inaugural day every one of their sponsors will be contacted and informed their products are going to be boycotted.

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Trump might fly Air Force One to a rally in Florida on Inauguration Day, (Original Post) LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 OP
It's only AF1 when the president is aboard. cwydro Dec 2020 #1
This. Period. Full Stop. aquamarina Dec 2020 #10
True. Trump would also not have authority to use government property. LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #51
Biden should make an order and deny Trump ASAP StClone Dec 2020 #73
:) No. It's then just an airplane and ex-presidents always fly away. Hortensis Dec 2020 #129
Generally they helicopter to Andrews I thought...and he can take a different plan. After Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #138
If Velveeta Voldemort is on board when Biden finish the outh.... Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2020 #18
I'd rather it turned into a pumpkin lol. cwydro Dec 2020 #20
Should formally be referred to Beelzebub 1. calimary Dec 2020 #66
Screw the parachute! Doreen Dec 2020 #80
From this point forward........ DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #115
Or Harrison Ford, of course. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #22
Well, AF1 could stand for... Yavin4 Dec 2020 #59
This is remarkably appropriate. CaptainTruth Dec 2020 #81
I caught a blip a week or so ago that he could not use them within 24 hours of the LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #88
Nope, the former President usually takes off from the Capitol Plaza via helicopter bottomofthehill Dec 2020 #103
I knew that happened, Maybe it is that he can not do a personal trip. LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #106
You are correct. Hangingon Dec 2020 #137
It would be funny to see SAM2800 taxi away from a Trump Rally bottomofthehill Dec 2020 #139
Exactly. Its not the plane itself, its only called that when the President is aboard Baclava Dec 2020 #120
Charge him with the expense of flying the airplane back to DC. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #2
Maybe arrest him for stealing it if he keeps it after noon? rurallib Dec 2020 #5
Or leave his orange ass in Florida and retrieve the plane. nolabear Dec 2020 #47
Exactly... A one way trip. nt reACTIONary Dec 2020 #84
Yes...like he wanted to charge Comey when he fired him while he was in California. nt iluvtennis Dec 2020 #76
He'd better land before noon. StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #3
Get Off My Plane... sheshe2 Dec 2020 #7
Lol grantcart Dec 2020 #85
Hey, grantcart... sheshe2 Dec 2020 #96
If not, the pilot will change call sign mid flight. Did it w/Nixon, nt okaawhatever Dec 2020 #83
Anything that humiliates tRump is okay with me. Polly Hennessey Dec 2020 #4
What about the FOOTBALL? Captain Zero Dec 2020 #6
If anyone could throw an interception as the clock ran out... n/t Harker Dec 2020 #11
I would imagine the codes in the football will Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #13
Otherwise he'd sell the codes to Putin if he hasn't already. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #49
The codes change the instant Biden is sworn in. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #54
I sincerely hope you are correct. Let's hope we make it to 1/20/21. No hope for Orange Man 666. nt Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #93
I'll bet they changed them a long time ago. WinstonSmith4740 Dec 2020 #116
After noon, the officer who carries the football will no longer take Trump's orders. localroger Dec 2020 #23
But that officer will be 1,000 miles away from President Biden. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #37
The president has several military aides with the codes. One of them will be with Biden StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #40
There are a number of officers who carry the "football." The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #50
I would say destroying the codes is vital even if they are old or retired. LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #55
I'm sure that's done routinely. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #58
And I'm sure you would hope you are half kidding but know in your heart LiberalFighter Dec 2020 #61
There is no half kidding........ DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #123
This is interesting: There is supposed to be a nuclear briefing just before the inauguration. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #122
Whatever Biden does, he has to DO SOMETHING. grumpyduck Dec 2020 #8
True. Former reality TV host is accurate. wnylib Dec 2020 #67
I hope the jet blast musses his hair. Harker Dec 2020 #9
it's only a split screen moment if the media cover it. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 #12
Yup. EarthFirst Dec 2020 #15
I rejoice daily in our decision to stop watching TV 11 yrs ago NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 #17
I want to see a scene like this soooooooooo bad. jaxexpat Dec 2020 #44
Stranded like all those magas in that Omaha rally... movingviolation Dec 2020 #57
Precisely jaxexpat Dec 2020 #135
As soon as AF1 is under Biden's control, he needs to order it swept for Russian bugs. Efilroft Sul Dec 2020 #14
"This is your Captain....." MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #16
Except -- Just like the White House wnylib Dec 2020 #71
Well, MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #95
I want the good guy to keep on living. wnylib Dec 2020 #100
😂 Love this!😂 ✈ 🚌 🚓 montana_hazeleyes Dec 2020 #121
Pretty sure that at noon EST on 1/20/2021 it becomes Special Air Mission 28000. OilemFirchen Dec 2020 #19
This. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #60
The base will keep feeding this fucking MONSTER for four years IF bluestarone Dec 2020 #21
a one way trip for the psychopath. Javaman Dec 2020 #24
I like the idea of diverting it to New York. chriscan64 Dec 2020 #25
Not sure LGA has runways lone enough for a 747-400... regnaD kciN Dec 2020 #48
You're right. chriscan64 Dec 2020 #64
The President's pilots can land that beast in a cow pasture! Mopar151 Dec 2020 #102
They can land on the New York Thruway, as far as I'm concerned. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #74
Here's the thing about the plane: scarletwoman Dec 2020 #26
Once it drops him off, it will deadhead back to DC. StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #41
I imaging there will be rejoicing by many permanent WH staff. scarletwoman Dec 2020 #52
No - he gets a different Secret Service with different agents StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #72
Cool, thank you! Lower degree of protection - works for me! scarletwoman Dec 2020 #101
Trump has demanded the same level of Secret Service protection he gets now. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #131
I'm not so sure about that - apparently some Secret Service agents are trumpers. See below: scarletwoman Dec 2020 #134
I don't believe this will happen because Trump's family will stop it. Stuart G Dec 2020 #27
They haven't stopped him from anything so far Bev54 Dec 2020 #109
Hope trump arranges transportation home. brush Dec 2020 #28
golf cart? nt Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #36
Love it! scarletwoman Dec 2020 #56
Biden should sent Trump a crisp message reminding him that the moment he (Biden) is sworn in... Girard442 Dec 2020 #29
Like he was a child: "Here are your choices..." CTyankee Dec 2020 #35
Go fuck yourself Donny you fat piece of shit Blue Owl Dec 2020 #30
BTW - regarding your Plan B: scarletwoman Dec 2020 #31
the pilots should tell him to go fuck himself.......... Takket Dec 2020 #32
It's only Air Force one until noon January 20 if he is aboard. liberal N proud Dec 2020 #33
correct . it becomes a sam flight with the callsign of sam 2000 if i remember correctly. AllaN01Bear Dec 2020 #92
We all need to STOP talking about him and his. Stop making him in any way important. Srkdqltr Dec 2020 #34
Exactly...post after post on DU about what Trump is doing.. HipChick Dec 2020 #42
bingo. thank you. NRaleighLiberal Dec 2020 #45
Be it... Newest Reality Dec 2020 #90
Perhaps that would be a good day to ground it for Covid Disinfection. Siwsan Dec 2020 #38
If he is on it and in the air at noon whopis01 Dec 2020 #39
at 12:01 biden should order th eplane ot land at teh nearest airport rdking647 Dec 2020 #43
Any network that split screens the inauguration mcar Dec 2020 #46
Fox is likely to do it, but they're already being vilified. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2020 #53
I don't know about that rupert has dumped dotard, publicly Thekaspervote Dec 2020 #69
Fly him around until 12:01 then... Politicalgolfer Dec 2020 #62
Yep. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2020 #68
At 12:01 The Animator Dec 2020 #63
Maybe it could be decorated especially for that last flight. trusty elf Dec 2020 #65
And if the rally really is held on a base, Trump should be arrested for trespassing as soon as Biden Rabrrrrrr Dec 2020 #70
The networks shouldn't provide a split screen - don't feed the narcissist. nt iluvtennis Dec 2020 #75
Dumb greenjar_01 Dec 2020 #77
Rally for WHAT?! Dukkha Dec 2020 #78
Several scenarios DFW Dec 2020 #79
Trump will still have his "ex president" secret service detachment and all the vehicles that go with LiberalArkie Dec 2020 #112
Just a few agents and two SUVs StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #128
Always the asshole. lpbk2713 Dec 2020 #82
I vote for Plan A, but... reACTIONary Dec 2020 #86
Take the fucking keys when it lands, deep clean the aircraft and let it sit for a week or so.... Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #87
Oh and then take the Diet Coke dispenser and any Russian hookers you find on board and quarantine. Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #91
if he does @ noon evrything turns back into pumpkins . the plane , the limos , the motor cade AllaN01Bear Dec 2020 #89
I like your plan B. George II Dec 2020 #94
Get him an Uber and call it good. gldstwmn Dec 2020 #97
He says all kinds .... paleotn Dec 2020 #98
Here's what will happen to him: absolutely nothing Orrex Dec 2020 #99
It's only 'Air Force One' if a president is on it left-of-center2012 Dec 2020 #104
If any network splits screens the inauguration I'll never watch them again. Don't care who they are TeamPooka Dec 2020 #105
I figured he'd be in Moscow on Inauguration Day. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #107
Let him hitchhike FakeNoose Dec 2020 #108
Other retiring presidents had the courtesy to help with a smooth transition Retrograde Dec 2020 #110
Wait a minute. That should be illegal. The only official business that day is the inauguration in Nitram Dec 2020 #111
Joe wouldn't do that, though birdographer Dec 2020 #113
Immediately land AF1 at noon and kick him off** MRDAWG Dec 2020 #114
Why land? n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #132
Lordy, they put this stuff out just to get everyone's panties in a twist. Fla Dem Dec 2020 #117
It sickens me to see him use AF1 or any of the symbols of the presidency as props. Peregrine Took Dec 2020 #118
I figure he gets one free SAM flight home (or wherever) shortly after the inauguration struggle4progress Dec 2020 #119
The ex-president's flight home is extended as a courtesy by the new president. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2020 #133
Sadly, it is a very, very expensive airplane, and will carrying at least 20 innocent civilians. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #124
He won't get one the official supped up planes, he get one they use for short flights. Fla Dem Dec 2020 #136
Good place for him Warpy Dec 2020 #125
For sure DENVERPOPS Dec 2020 #126
Send him the bill. BlueIdaho Dec 2020 #127
I agree with your "solution" A HERETIC I AM Dec 2020 #130

StClone

(11,869 posts)
73. Biden should make an order and deny Trump ASAP
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:37 PM
Dec 2020

This Nonsensical bs has got to stop NOW, cut that rat F'er off.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
129. :) No. It's then just an airplane and ex-presidents always fly away.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:51 PM
Dec 2020

Or whatever. We want him to fly away.

Plus, Biden's a gentleman, and a gentlemen would never try to upstage an asshole.

Demsrule86

(71,491 posts)
138. Generally they helicopter to Andrews I thought...and he can take a different plan. After
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:46 PM
Dec 2020

What Trump has done...he gets no courtesies.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,198 posts)
18. If Velveeta Voldemort is on board when Biden finish the outh....
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:19 PM
Dec 2020

The call sign changes to Angel 1.

calimary

(88,957 posts)
66. Should formally be referred to Beelzebub 1.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:30 PM
Dec 2020

And hand him a parachute and show him to the exit.

One final gesture to Outgoing: help him strap it on and show him where the ripcord is before helping him to the exit.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
115. From this point forward........
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:55 PM
Dec 2020

The pilots should keep the door to the flight deck locked......

AND just to be safe, check to see if Trump has been taking courses on how to fly a commercial jet......

AND the pilots should be instructed by the military brass not to fly Trump to any foreign country between now and forever.......

22. Or Harrison Ford, of course.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:22 PM
Dec 2020

In the movie "Air Force One," when the president -- played by Harrison Ford -- was safely transferred to the C130 in a dramatic rescue, during the next transmission to ATC the C130 identified itself as "Air Force One." Cool!

LiberalArkie

(19,247 posts)
88. I caught a blip a week or so ago that he could not use them within 24 hours of the
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:53 PM
Dec 2020

swearing in.

bottomofthehill

(9,332 posts)
103. Nope, the former President usually takes off from the Capitol Plaza via helicopter
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:23 PM
Dec 2020

Flies to Andrew’s where he is then flown home on what was AF1. Usually SAM 2800 or SAM2900 depending on which plane is taken

LiberalArkie

(19,247 posts)
106. I knew that happened, Maybe it is that he can not do a personal trip.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:28 PM
Dec 2020

I have no idea, just saw a blip on a news site that so and so can't happen as he can't do this or that.

bottomofthehill

(9,332 posts)
139. It would be funny to see SAM2800 taxi away from a Trump Rally
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:15 PM
Dec 2020

At 1201hrs though, just attach it to a plane tug and slowly roll it out of the camera view. I would laugh

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
120. Exactly. Its not the plane itself, its only called that when the President is aboard
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:06 PM
Dec 2020

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
13. I would imagine the codes in the football will
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:15 PM
Dec 2020

change at noon that day and a if Trump is not present at the inaugural there will be a new one with new codes near Biden.

54. The codes change the instant Biden is sworn in.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:14 PM
Dec 2020

I read somewhere that during a typical inauguration there are two officers present in close proximity to the president and president-elect. One keeps the football for the outgoing president safe, and the second holds a briefcase containing the codes for the incoming president. The instant that Biden concludes his oath of office -- "...so help me God,"-- the old codes become invalid and the ones for the president are activated. Then we can finally exhale because there's not an insane sociopathic Russian agent in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,412 posts)
116. I'll bet they changed them a long time ago.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:57 PM
Dec 2020

And never told him. It's probably why Putin never got them.

localroger

(3,776 posts)
23. After noon, the officer who carries the football will no longer take Trump's orders.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:24 PM
Dec 2020

For that matter, I would be very surprised if the military would obey a Trump nuclear attack order even now if it was not well justified.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(128,937 posts)
50. There are a number of officers who carry the "football."
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:10 PM
Dec 2020

One will be assigned to Biden, along with a new football, on the 20th at noon. The officer who had been assigned to Trump will probably go home on the airplane (which will not be called AF1 on the return trip) and shred the old codes.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
55. I would say destroying the codes is vital even if they are old or retired.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:17 PM
Dec 2020

Knowing the old codes provides insight involved in creating the codes.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(128,937 posts)
58. I'm sure that's done routinely.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:19 PM
Dec 2020

I hope the officer who's been carrying Trump's football hasn't let him anywhere near the codes because he'd sell them to Putin in a heartbeat if he could get his Russian debt canceled. I'm only half kidding about this.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
61. And I'm sure you would hope you are half kidding but know in your heart
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:25 PM
Dec 2020

you can't be sure with him.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
123. There is no half kidding........
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:09 PM
Dec 2020

I don't want to even think about the Top Secret Intel that Trump and his spawn have already sold throughout the world.
We already know Jared sold Intel to Saudi's for a 150 million dollar "loan" that Jared needed to pay in a few days.......

Trump and his spawn probably have stolen truck loads of Intel to sell after Trump leaves office. Intel would be the only asset that Trump has in reality.........

As delusional as he is, he has to know, along with the kids that they are all SHIT around the world on noon January 20th.........

The Velveteen Ocelot

(128,937 posts)
122. This is interesting: There is supposed to be a nuclear briefing just before the inauguration.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:08 PM
Dec 2020

"There are three nuclear footballs in total. Two are allocated to the president and vice president, with the last being stored in the White House. In Presidential transitions, the president-elect does not receive the actual nuclear code card until after the nuclear briefing, when 'he meets with the outgoing president at the White House just before the actual inauguration ceremony. The code card is activated electronically right after the president-elect takes the oath at noon.' " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

If Trump is going to blow off Biden's inauguration and does not meet with him, does Biden get the code card automatically? I would assume so.

grumpyduck

(6,672 posts)
8. Whatever Biden does, he has to DO SOMETHING.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:11 PM
Dec 2020
If donny goes through with this, and if Biden lets him get away with it, Biden will just be empowering that PoS.


And what's this "former network star" bullshit? It seems lie, according to the media, any numbnuts who gets on TV is a "star." Enough of this chickenshit already!

Harker

(17,372 posts)
9. I hope the jet blast musses his hair.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:12 PM
Dec 2020

He has to drag everything beyond the point of obnoxious. Way beyond.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
44. I want to see a scene like this soooooooooo bad.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:04 PM
Dec 2020

Trump, standing at a podium on the tarmack, ranting away as usual. Looks up to see all the noise that's interrupting his blither is air force one, the big blue jet, thunderous engines belching black smoke, taking off without him, stranded a couple of miles from the nearest vehicle, leaving him to figure out a way home on his own and dependent on the kindness of strangers

MyOwnPeace

(17,441 posts)
16. "This is your Captain....."
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:17 PM
Dec 2020

"Sorry, but weather conditions are such that we are being diverted and needing to land at Dover, Delaware AF Base. At that point all passengers will be escorted to awaiting busses (some busses will be going to Washington, DC, while one special one will be taking its passengers to Riker's Island, New York) while PRESIDENT BIDEN boards AF-1 and embarks on his mission to deliver vaccines to awaiting bases throughout the country.
Thank you for flying AF-1 - we hope you enjoyed your flight."



(Oh, come on - we can dream!!!!!!)

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
71. Except -- Just like the White House
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:36 PM
Dec 2020

Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Biden should not set one foot inside Air Force 1 until it has been thoroughly sanitized, fumigated, and cleared of all electronic bugs.

MyOwnPeace

(17,441 posts)
95. Well,
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:13 PM
Dec 2020

you'd be no fun in making a "good guy wins" movie!

(Yeah, you're right - would take more than a quick "refueling" to clean up THAT mess!)

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
121. 😂 Love this!😂 ✈ 🚌 🚓
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:06 PM
Dec 2020

Damn I love DUers. The smartest and funniest people ever!😍

OilemFirchen

(7,288 posts)
19. Pretty sure that at noon EST on 1/20/2021 it becomes Special Air Mission 28000.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:21 PM
Dec 2020

Whether Trump is on it or not.

bluestarone

(21,101 posts)
21. The base will keep feeding this fucking MONSTER for four years IF
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:21 PM
Dec 2020

Something isn't done to stop him! ( I have faith in NY AG.) Just gonna take time i guess.

Javaman

(65,065 posts)
24. a one way trip for the psychopath.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:29 PM
Dec 2020

he's going to attempt to "rule" from his illegal resident shit golf course.

I don't put it past him to try and gather an army.

just you wait.

Mopar151

(10,343 posts)
102. The President's pilots can land that beast in a cow pasture!
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:22 PM
Dec 2020

Or damm near it! Not that it would be smooth, or "nice"..........
There are PLENTY of military runways to abandon him on - there is a nice one north of NY, on the Hudson, near I-84 - I've seen C-5A's there, through the fence. I gau-ron-tee that the NY authorities can grab him from there, and I'd love to see his face when he steps off the plane into a New York January with no adoring crowd!

74. They can land on the New York Thruway, as far as I'm concerned.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:38 PM
Dec 2020

Just get his fat ass into New York jurisdiction.



The action begins at 4:00+++

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
26. Here's the thing about the plane:
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:30 PM
Dec 2020

It's no longer AF1 when an ex-president is on board. It becomes SAM - Special Air Mission.

And I seriously doubt that an ex-president would have the right to keep it on the ground for a prop once he and his family have disembarked at their destination. The plane is provided as a courtesy to fly the outgoing president to his post-presidency residence. It's no longer his airplane.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
41. Once it drops him off, it will deadhead back to DC.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:01 PM
Dec 2020

Probably with the presidential Secret Service detail, White House Communications officers and other military and career staff on board to return to serve the new president ...

Can you imagine the partying (socially distanced, of course) that will be happening on board that plane?

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
52. I imaging there will be rejoicing by many permanent WH staff.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:12 PM
Dec 2020

Just wondering about Secret Service - he keeps a certain detail, doesn't he? I wonder if they get dropped off with the Vulgar Talking Yam at Merde-a-Gogo.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
72. No - he gets a different Secret Service with different agents
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:37 PM
Dec 2020

As president, he's guarded by the Presidential Protective Detail (PPD). As a former president, he gets a former president detail, a much lower degree of protection with many fewer and different agents. FPOTUS detail includes agents who are either senior agents who were formerly on PPD and close to retirement or younger agents hoping to work their way up from the field office to PPD. It's just a few of them, nothing even remotely like what he's used to - even presidential candidates get a much higher degree of protection than former presidents.

At noon on 1/20/21, his PPD detail signs off and turns him over to the scaled down former president detail. Buh-bye limo, motorcade, metal detectors, post standers, etc. He gets a few agents and a couple of SUVs.


131. Trump has demanded the same level of Secret Service protection he gets now.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:01 AM
Dec 2020

Meanwhile, Secret Service agents are playing rock-paper-scissors to determine who will be stuck babysitting Fat Donnie.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
134. I'm not so sure about that - apparently some Secret Service agents are trumpers. See below:
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:35 AM
Dec 2020
https://democraticunderground.com/100214781610

The Secret Service is making some staff changes in the presidential detail that will guard President-elect Joe Biden, amid concerns from Biden allies that some current members were politically aligned with President Trump,” the Washington Post reports.

“As Biden readies his new administration, the Secret Service plans to bring back to the White House detail a handful of senior agents whom Biden knows well from their work more than four years ago guarding him and his family when he was vice president.”

https://politicalwire.com/2020/12/30/secret-service-to-make-changes-to-bidens-detail/

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
27. I don't believe this will happen because Trump's family will stop it.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:31 PM
Dec 2020

..Trumps family will stop this because this last move will totally destroy the name more than poor Donald can possibly realize. Think about it...............................

Instead of attending the next President's Inauguration, (which is the custom) Donald holds his own rally to oppose Biden...

This happens during Biden's Inauguration which previous presidents have always attended..
......A last parting shot at Joe Biden which the Trump family will have to answer to for a long time........
............Long after Donald has moved to another galaxy far, far, away...... .....................

Bev54

(13,176 posts)
109. They haven't stopped him from anything so far
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:32 PM
Dec 2020

so not sure why you think they can now. He does what he wants, and they are all afraid of him.

Girard442

(6,817 posts)
29. Biden should sent Trump a crisp message reminding him that the moment he (Biden) is sworn in...
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:36 PM
Dec 2020

...he determines what the plane does. If Donnie wants a dignified trip to a destination of his choice after that moment, then he'd better STFU.

CTyankee

(67,760 posts)
35. Like he was a child: "Here are your choices..."
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:43 PM
Dec 2020

just the way I spelled out the choices my kids had when they disrupted, didn't comply, sulked or generally misbehaved again...

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
31. BTW - regarding your Plan B:
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:37 PM
Dec 2020

Outgoing presidents are ferried from the White House to Andrews AFB via helicopter.

I tend to think that no military helicopter or airplane pilot would divert from their assigned fight paths to overfly the White House.

Takket

(23,456 posts)
32. the pilots should tell him to go fuck himself..........
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:39 PM
Dec 2020

what are they going to do, fire them? Biden will be sworn in in 15 minutes

liberal N proud

(61,165 posts)
33. It's only Air Force one until noon January 20 if he is aboard.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:39 PM
Dec 2020

Then no more. And he might be stranded wherever it lands

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
90. Be it...
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:54 PM
Dec 2020

positive or negative, he certainly has inserted himself into our collective psyches for sure.

We are going to need a support group, if this keeps up, for Post-Trump Trauma Syndrome.

Siwsan

(27,806 posts)
38. Perhaps that would be a good day to ground it for Covid Disinfection.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:54 PM
Dec 2020

That must take at least a day to give it a REALLY good going over.

whopis01

(3,907 posts)
39. If he is on it and in the air at noon
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 04:55 PM
Dec 2020

I would love to see Biden order it to be flown to some remote Air Force base, land there, kick him out of the plane and off the base.
Let him figure out how to get back home.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
43. at 12:01 biden should order th eplane ot land at teh nearest airport
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:03 PM
Dec 2020

the idiot should be forced off the plane and left stranded at whatever airport hes at

Politicalgolfer

(317 posts)
62. Fly him around until 12:01 then...
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:26 PM
Dec 2020

....open up the door & push him & the rest of the slimeball family out!!! The cult can witness the big splat😊

The Animator

(1,139 posts)
63. At 12:01
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:26 PM
Dec 2020

I would be in favor of him being forcibly ejected from the plane no matter how high up it is...

Rabrrrrrr

(58,373 posts)
70. And if the rally really is held on a base, Trump should be arrested for trespassing as soon as Biden
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:35 PM
Dec 2020

takes over.

There's probably no legal way to arrest him for a rally that the military has approved, even if he does become a civilian during the rally, but shit, I'd love to see that. Arrest him, put him back on the 747, fly him back to DC, and rub his face in the Oval Office carpet and say "Bad boy! Bad boy!"

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
78. Rally for WHAT?!
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:40 PM
Dec 2020

God what a fucking pathetic insecure little child. Always in desperate need of validation from his pitiful white trash cult.

DFW

(59,711 posts)
79. Several scenarios
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:40 PM
Dec 2020

Trump has been let off before 12:01--AF1 powers up and leaves Trump standing wherever he is, and the press gets a great page one for the next day with Trump turning his head and watching AF1 take off and head back to Andrews with his suitcases.

Trump has not been let off by 12:01 and Biden orders the plane to return to Andrews no matter where it is. Trump protests, but as a private citizen who is now an uninvited passenger. The press has a field day when Trump is forced to come down the stairs, and call a taxi. Under this scenario, he does get his suitcases.

Trump is still aboard while AF1 is in the air, and Biden orders any excess baggage tossed overboard after heading out over water, so that no one gets a Trump crashing into their driveway at 32 ft/sec/sec from 30,000 feet (yecch!). Great White Sharks in the Atlantic may or may not decide that what has just been added to today's menu resembles lunch.

The crew has Trump aboard in the morning, but has discovered "mechanical difficulty" that delays takeoff until after 12:01, at which point, Trump is no longer authorized to order some flat club soda, much less a destination. Fuming, he is forced to return down the stairway, and gives the press tomorrow's page one. Mothers hide the photo from small children to avoid the risk of their turning to stone. President Biden and Vice-President Harris, when asked for a comment, reply in unison, "Donald WHO?"

LiberalArkie

(19,247 posts)
112. Trump will still have his "ex president" secret service detachment and all the vehicles that go with
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:43 PM
Dec 2020

them.

Evolve Dammit

(21,458 posts)
91. Oh and then take the Diet Coke dispenser and any Russian hookers you find on board and quarantine.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:54 PM
Dec 2020

AllaN01Bear

(28,547 posts)
89. if he does @ noon evrything turns back into pumpkins . the plane , the limos , the motor cade
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 05:53 PM
Dec 2020

his ss detail all go poof . so, donnie u stuck.

paleotn

(21,461 posts)
98. He says all kinds ....
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:16 PM
Dec 2020

of shit. The majority of it is just that....shit. AF1 isn't his on 1/20/21. Unless he flies commercial, he isn't going anywhere.

Orrex

(66,650 posts)
99. Here's what will happen to him: absolutely nothing
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:17 PM
Dec 2020

No consequences, no billing of expenses, no ridicule in the media, no repercussions for acting like an absolute fuckhead for his entire life, nothing.

Except SDNY, of course. They're going to fuck him so hard that he bursts like the orange balloon stuffed with 370 pounds of liquid pig shit that he is.

But this AF1 stunt? He'll face absolutely no accountability for it.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
104. It's only 'Air Force One' if a president is on it
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:23 PM
Dec 2020

And it would be up to the networks if they choose to do a split screen.
They don't have to show Trump.

 

TeamPooka

(25,577 posts)
105. If any network splits screens the inauguration I'll never watch them again. Don't care who they are
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:26 PM
Dec 2020

You listening CNN and MSNBC?

FakeNoose

(40,085 posts)
108. Let him hitchhike
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:29 PM
Dec 2020


Seriously though, I think all retiring Presidents have been given the courtesy of a free ride on Uncle Sam. Hell, even Nixon got a free ride after he resigned. So that's a small price to pay in order to get Chump out of Washington. He's on his own after that.


Retrograde

(11,373 posts)
110. Other retiring presidents had the courtesy to help with a smooth transition
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:34 PM
Dec 2020

and didn't spend the time between election day and the inauguration pretending they had four more years

Nitram

(26,996 posts)
111. Wait a minute. That should be illegal. The only official business that day is the inauguration in
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:40 PM
Dec 2020

Washington, D.C. Trump should not be allowed to use the presidential jet at taxpayer expense too go to any other event.

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
113. Joe wouldn't do that, though
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:51 PM
Dec 2020

We are so used to petty vindictiveness and pure nastiness and vengeance that it seems a logical move for a president to do to Donnie. But Joe is a *good* human being, total opposite of what we have had for the last four years. We just are too used to our new horrific normal and now we want it. What I like about this is that I am pretty sure there is a huge protest planned for the inauguration (trump supporters even bragging about what they would be wearing at the event, evidently clueless that it is virtual for all but a few invitees), and it would be so typical for trump to have left town and not even be there for their big event.

Oh yes, if trump appears anywhere on the screen during the inauguration, there will be quite an uprising and I will be glad to join in.

This does sound exactly like some stunt that jackass would pull.

Fla Dem

(27,410 posts)
117. Lordy, they put this stuff out just to get everyone's panties in a twist.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:02 PM
Dec 2020

He will be given a plane to fly to wherever he wants to go. But it won’t be the official AF1 and after 12 noon, it won’t be identified as AF1. He knows, his staff knows the protocol. Rumors like this are just to get everyone riled up.

Peregrine Took

(7,583 posts)
118. It sickens me to see him use AF1 or any of the symbols of the presidency as props.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:03 PM
Dec 2020

I'm not kidding - I feel weak kneed and nauseated by the very sight of any trumper but especially "It" parading around with symbolic items that belong to the American people.

struggle4progress

(125,327 posts)
119. I figure he gets one free SAM flight home (or wherever) shortly after the inauguration
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:04 PM
Dec 2020

Ex-presidents usually leave quickly after the ceremony. Obama was at Andrews by about 1P. GW Bush left town within about two hours

If Trump's not leaving the Capitol by helicopter shortly after the inauguration because he's somewhere else, he has a limited window for any SAM flight, because the crew can't hang around indefinitely as a courtesy to him

And if Trump's in the air at noon, I think he's on his courtesy SAM flight



133. The ex-president's flight home is extended as a courtesy by the new president.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:07 AM
Dec 2020

I learned that when Nixon was flown to California.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,169 posts)
124. Sadly, it is a very, very expensive airplane, and will carrying at least 20 innocent civilians.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:15 PM
Dec 2020

Otherwise, if it overflew the Inauguration, Now-President Biden could order it shot down. Probably more blowback than it's worth, but it would still be great fun to see.

If there is a "shadow" event in FL, under NO circumstances should it be used for return transportation for the trash it delivered.

Fla Dem

(27,410 posts)
136. He won't get one the official supped up planes, he get one they use for short flights.
Thu Dec 31, 2020, 05:21 PM
Dec 2020

He'll probably stamp his feet and say everyone's being mean to him, but suck it up fat boy.

Warpy

(114,374 posts)
125. Good place for him
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:18 PM
Dec 2020

AF1 will not be available to fly him back to DC. He's going to have to make his own arrangements to the venue and then to whatever mink lined hidey hole he picks.

I'm sure Biden will let him go as a courtesy. At 12:01, Dumdum will no longer be entitled to an official limo, an official motorcade or an AF1 jaunt anywhere else. While delivering him to NYC instead is an attractive thought, it would most likely be considered kidnapping.

As for buzzing the inauguration, the airspace will be closed. I sincerely doubt the pilot will do it, no matter what kind of tantrum the man baby throws.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
126. For sure
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:26 PM
Dec 2020

He wants to get to Florida ASAP where he and all his federal appointed judges and millions of MAGAts can fight extradition to NewYork........

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
127. Send him the bill.
Wed Dec 30, 2020, 07:28 PM
Dec 2020

And rename the flight - Dumpster One. The Commander in Chief will not be on board - they are hauling trash.

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