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President Trump is considering a made-for-TV grand finale: a White House departure on Marine One and a final Air Force One flight to Florida for a political rally opposite Joe Biden's inauguration, sources familiar with the discussions tell Axios.
Why it matters: The former network star is privately discussing using his waning powers as commander in chief to order up the exit he wants after dissing Biden by refusing to concede the election, welcome him to the White House or commit to attending his inauguration.
The big picture: The Trump talk could create a split-screen moment: the outgoing president addressing a roaring crowd in an airport hangar while the incoming leader is sworn in before a socially distanced audience outside the Capitol, as NBC News first reported.
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Did we expect anything different?
Here's my solution: At 12:01 pm on January 20, President Biden, using his power as Commander-in-Chief, orders Air Force One to immediately return to Andrews. Since Trump holds his rallies in a hangar with AF1 in background, the television audience would be treated to watching the aircraft start up all four engines (thus drowning out any ranting he was doing) and pull decisively away from now-citizen Trump, symbolizing his total loss of power. And if the aircraft made a turn as it left its parking spot the crowd stuffed into the hangar would have the pleasure of being subjected to the sound and exhaust of four huge turbofan engines before they're chased out of the hangar by the military police, if the rally is being held on a military base.
Alternate plan B: If Trump plans on flying over the Capitol at noon during the oath of office as one last "fuck you" to democracy, the moment he is sworn in as CinC Biden instructs AF1 to divert to JFK International Airport, where Trump will be met by the appropriate New York City and state officers to arrest him. Now that is a split-screen image I'd pay good money to see.
Finally, there should be an all-out effort to let the network and cable news networks know that if they spit screen anything on inaugural day every one of their sponsors will be contacted and informed their products are going to be boycotted.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)aquamarina
(1,865 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)StClone
(11,869 posts)This Nonsensical bs has got to stop NOW, cut that rat F'er off.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Or whatever. We want him to fly away.
Plus, Biden's a gentleman, and a gentlemen would never try to upstage an asshole.
Demsrule86
(71,491 posts)What Trump has done...he gets no courtesies.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,198 posts)The call sign changes to Angel 1.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Pulled by rats.
calimary
(88,957 posts)And hand him a parachute and show him to the exit.
One final gesture to Outgoing: help him strap it on and show him where the ripcord is before helping him to the exit.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Just push the asshole off!!
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)The pilots should keep the door to the flight deck locked......
AND just to be safe, check to see if Trump has been taking courses on how to fly a commercial jet......
AND the pilots should be instructed by the military brass not to fly Trump to any foreign country between now and forever.......
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)In the movie "Air Force One," when the president -- played by Harrison Ford -- was safely transferred to the C130 in a dramatic rescue, during the next transmission to ATC the C130 identified itself as "Air Force One." Cool!
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)Asshole Fuckface 1. That would be accurate.
CaptainTruth
(8,038 posts)LiberalArkie
(19,247 posts)swearing in.
bottomofthehill
(9,332 posts)Flies to Andrews where he is then flown home on what was AF1. Usually SAM 2800 or SAM2900 depending on which plane is taken
LiberalArkie
(19,247 posts)I have no idea, just saw a blip on a news site that so and so can't happen as he can't do this or that.
Hangingon
(3,088 posts)I think to cancel this tradition would make Biden look the lesser man
bottomofthehill
(9,332 posts)At 1201hrs though, just attach it to a plane tug and slowly roll it out of the camera view. I would laugh
Baclava
(12,047 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(128,937 posts)rurallib
(64,532 posts)nolabear
(43,847 posts)Hey, a girl can dream.
reACTIONary
(6,968 posts)iluvtennis
(21,459 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)sheshe2
(95,732 posts)sheshe2
(95,732 posts)A happier New Year for us all!
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)Polly Hennessey
(8,540 posts)Captain Zero
(8,724 posts)I don't want Dotard around it one minute after anything on Jan. 20
Harker
(17,372 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)change at noon that day and a if Trump is not present at the inaugural there will be a new one with new codes near Biden.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(128,937 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)I read somewhere that during a typical inauguration there are two officers present in close proximity to the president and president-elect. One keeps the football for the outgoing president safe, and the second holds a briefcase containing the codes for the incoming president. The instant that Biden concludes his oath of office -- "...so help me God,"-- the old codes become invalid and the ones for the president are activated. Then we can finally exhale because there's not an insane sociopathic Russian agent in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world.
Evolve Dammit
(21,458 posts)WinstonSmith4740
(3,412 posts)And never told him. It's probably why Putin never got them.
localroger
(3,776 posts)For that matter, I would be very surprised if the military would obey a Trump nuclear attack order even now if it was not well justified.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(128,937 posts)One will be assigned to Biden, along with a new football, on the 20th at noon. The officer who had been assigned to Trump will probably go home on the airplane (which will not be called AF1 on the return trip) and shred the old codes.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Knowing the old codes provides insight involved in creating the codes.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(128,937 posts)I hope the officer who's been carrying Trump's football hasn't let him anywhere near the codes because he'd sell them to Putin in a heartbeat if he could get his Russian debt canceled. I'm only half kidding about this.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)you can't be sure with him.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)I don't want to even think about the Top Secret Intel that Trump and his spawn have already sold throughout the world.
We already know Jared sold Intel to Saudi's for a 150 million dollar "loan" that Jared needed to pay in a few days.......
Trump and his spawn probably have stolen truck loads of Intel to sell after Trump leaves office. Intel would be the only asset that Trump has in reality.........
As delusional as he is, he has to know, along with the kids that they are all SHIT around the world on noon January 20th.........
The Velveteen Ocelot
(128,937 posts)"There are three nuclear footballs in total. Two are allocated to the president and vice president, with the last being stored in the White House. In Presidential transitions, the president-elect does not receive the actual nuclear code card until after the nuclear briefing, when 'he meets with the outgoing president at the White House just before the actual inauguration ceremony. The code card is activated electronically right after the president-elect takes the oath at noon.' " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football
If Trump is going to blow off Biden's inauguration and does not meet with him, does Biden get the code card automatically? I would assume so.
grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)And what's this "former network star" bullshit? It seems lie, according to the media, any numbnuts who gets on TV is a "star." Enough of this chickenshit already!
wnylib
(25,355 posts)Star is not.
Harker
(17,372 posts)He has to drag everything beyond the point of obnoxious. Way beyond.
NRaleighLiberal
(61,559 posts)EarthFirst
(3,934 posts)...and Im not entirely convinced they arent willing.
Yet.
NRaleighLiberal
(61,559 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Trump, standing at a podium on the tarmack, ranting away as usual. Looks up to see all the noise that's interrupting his blither is air force one, the big blue jet, thunderous engines belching black smoke, taking off without him, stranded a couple of miles from the nearest vehicle, leaving him to figure out a way home on his own and dependent on the kindness of strangers
movingviolation
(310 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Efilroft Sul
(4,300 posts)MyOwnPeace
(17,441 posts)"Sorry, but weather conditions are such that we are being diverted and needing to land at Dover, Delaware AF Base. At that point all passengers will be escorted to awaiting busses (some busses will be going to Washington, DC, while one special one will be taking its passengers to Riker's Island, New York) while PRESIDENT BIDEN boards AF-1 and embarks on his mission to deliver vaccines to awaiting bases throughout the country.
Thank you for flying AF-1 - we hope you enjoyed your flight."
(Oh, come on - we can dream!!!!!!)
wnylib
(25,355 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 30, 2020, 06:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Biden should not set one foot inside Air Force 1 until it has been thoroughly sanitized, fumigated, and cleared of all electronic bugs.
you'd be no fun in making a "good guy wins" movie!
(Yeah, you're right - would take more than a quick "refueling" to clean up THAT mess!)
wnylib
(25,355 posts)montana_hazeleyes
(3,424 posts)Damn I love DUers. The smartest and funniest people ever!😍
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)Whether Trump is on it or not.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)"Air Force One" is the call sign that is attached to the President and not the aircraft.
bluestarone
(21,101 posts)Something isn't done to stop him! ( I have faith in NY AG.) Just gonna take time i guess.
Javaman
(65,065 posts)he's going to attempt to "rule" from his illegal resident shit golf course.
I don't put it past him to try and gather an army.
just you wait.
chriscan64
(1,789 posts)Just make the airport La Guardia instead of JFK.
regnaD kciN
(27,436 posts)chriscan64
(1,789 posts)They will have to give him a parachute.
Mopar151
(10,343 posts)Or damm near it! Not that it would be smooth, or "nice"..........
There are PLENTY of military runways to abandon him on - there is a nice one north of NY, on the Hudson, near I-84 - I've seen C-5A's there, through the fence. I gau-ron-tee that the NY authorities can grab him from there, and I'd love to see his face when he steps off the plane into a New York January with no adoring crowd!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)Just get his fat ass into New York jurisdiction.
The action begins at 4:00+++
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)It's no longer AF1 when an ex-president is on board. It becomes SAM - Special Air Mission.
And I seriously doubt that an ex-president would have the right to keep it on the ground for a prop once he and his family have disembarked at their destination. The plane is provided as a courtesy to fly the outgoing president to his post-presidency residence. It's no longer his airplane.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Probably with the presidential Secret Service detail, White House Communications officers and other military and career staff on board to return to serve the new president ...
Can you imagine the partying (socially distanced, of course) that will be happening on board that plane?
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Just wondering about Secret Service - he keeps a certain detail, doesn't he? I wonder if they get dropped off with the Vulgar Talking Yam at Merde-a-Gogo.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)As president, he's guarded by the Presidential Protective Detail (PPD). As a former president, he gets a former president detail, a much lower degree of protection with many fewer and different agents. FPOTUS detail includes agents who are either senior agents who were formerly on PPD and close to retirement or younger agents hoping to work their way up from the field office to PPD. It's just a few of them, nothing even remotely like what he's used to - even presidential candidates get a much higher degree of protection than former presidents.
At noon on 1/20/21, his PPD detail signs off and turns him over to the scaled down former president detail. Buh-bye limo, motorcade, metal detectors, post standers, etc. He gets a few agents and a couple of SUVs.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)Meanwhile, Secret Service agents are playing rock-paper-scissors to determine who will be stuck babysitting Fat Donnie.
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)The Secret Service is making some staff changes in the presidential detail that will guard President-elect Joe Biden, amid concerns from Biden allies that some current members were politically aligned with President Trump, the Washington Post reports.
As Biden readies his new administration, the Secret Service plans to bring back to the White House detail a handful of senior agents whom Biden knows well from their work more than four years ago guarding him and his family when he was vice president.
https://politicalwire.com/2020/12/30/secret-service-to-make-changes-to-bidens-detail/
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)..Trumps family will stop this because this last move will totally destroy the name more than poor Donald can possibly realize. Think about it...............................
Instead of attending the next President's Inauguration, (which is the custom) Donald holds his own rally to oppose Biden...
This happens during Biden's Inauguration which previous presidents have always attended..
......A last parting shot at Joe Biden which the Trump family will have to answer to for a long time........
............Long after Donald has moved to another galaxy far, far, away...... .....................
Bev54
(13,176 posts)so not sure why you think they can now. He does what he wants, and they are all afraid of him.
brush
(61,033 posts)Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Girard442
(6,817 posts)...he determines what the plane does. If Donnie wants a dignified trip to a destination of his choice after that moment, then he'd better STFU.
CTyankee
(67,760 posts)just the way I spelled out the choices my kids had when they disrupted, didn't comply, sulked or generally misbehaved again...
Blue Owl
(58,149 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Outgoing presidents are ferried from the White House to Andrews AFB via helicopter.
I tend to think that no military helicopter or airplane pilot would divert from their assigned fight paths to overfly the White House.
Takket
(23,456 posts)what are they going to do, fire them? Biden will be sworn in in 15 minutes
liberal N proud
(61,165 posts)Then no more. And he might be stranded wherever it lands
AllaN01Bear
(28,547 posts)Srkdqltr
(9,335 posts)HipChick
(25,575 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(61,559 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)positive or negative, he certainly has inserted himself into our collective psyches for sure.
We are going to need a support group, if this keeps up, for Post-Trump Trauma Syndrome.
Siwsan
(27,806 posts)That must take at least a day to give it a REALLY good going over.
whopis01
(3,907 posts)I would love to see Biden order it to be flown to some remote Air Force base, land there, kick him out of the plane and off the base.
Let him figure out how to get back home.
rdking647
(5,113 posts)the idiot should be forced off the plane and left stranded at whatever airport hes at
mcar
(45,606 posts)should be vilified for the rest of time.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(128,937 posts)Thekaspervote
(35,810 posts)Politicalgolfer
(317 posts)....open up the door & push him & the rest of the slimeball family out!!! The cult can witness the big splat😊
SammyWinstonJack
(44,312 posts)The Animator
(1,139 posts)I would be in favor of him being forcibly ejected from the plane no matter how high up it is...
trusty elf
(7,534 posts)
Rabrrrrrr
(58,373 posts)takes over.
There's probably no legal way to arrest him for a rally that the military has approved, even if he does become a civilian during the rally, but shit, I'd love to see that. Arrest him, put him back on the 747, fly him back to DC, and rub his face in the Oval Office carpet and say "Bad boy! Bad boy!"
iluvtennis
(21,459 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Dukkha
(7,341 posts)God what a fucking pathetic insecure little child. Always in desperate need of validation from his pitiful white trash cult.
DFW
(59,711 posts)Trump has been let off before 12:01--AF1 powers up and leaves Trump standing wherever he is, and the press gets a great page one for the next day with Trump turning his head and watching AF1 take off and head back to Andrews with his suitcases.
Trump has not been let off by 12:01 and Biden orders the plane to return to Andrews no matter where it is. Trump protests, but as a private citizen who is now an uninvited passenger. The press has a field day when Trump is forced to come down the stairs, and call a taxi. Under this scenario, he does get his suitcases.
Trump is still aboard while AF1 is in the air, and Biden orders any excess baggage tossed overboard after heading out over water, so that no one gets a Trump crashing into their driveway at 32 ft/sec/sec from 30,000 feet (yecch!). Great White Sharks in the Atlantic may or may not decide that what has just been added to today's menu resembles lunch.
The crew has Trump aboard in the morning, but has discovered "mechanical difficulty" that delays takeoff until after 12:01, at which point, Trump is no longer authorized to order some flat club soda, much less a destination. Fuming, he is forced to return down the stairway, and gives the press tomorrow's page one. Mothers hide the photo from small children to avoid the risk of their turning to stone. President Biden and Vice-President Harris, when asked for a comment, reply in unison, "Donald WHO?"
LiberalArkie
(19,247 posts)them.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)A far cry from what he's used to.
lpbk2713
(43,245 posts)And Trump will remain an asshole until he draws his last breath.
reACTIONary
(6,968 posts)... I like the "mechanical problem" scenario in post 7 also.
Evolve Dammit
(21,458 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,458 posts)AllaN01Bear
(28,547 posts)his ss detail all go poof . so, donnie u stuck.
George II
(67,782 posts)gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)paleotn
(21,461 posts)of shit. The majority of it is just that....shit. AF1 isn't his on 1/20/21. Unless he flies commercial, he isn't going anywhere.
Orrex
(66,650 posts)No consequences, no billing of expenses, no ridicule in the media, no repercussions for acting like an absolute fuckhead for his entire life, nothing.
Except SDNY, of course. They're going to fuck him so hard that he bursts like the orange balloon stuffed with 370 pounds of liquid pig shit that he is.
But this AF1 stunt? He'll face absolutely no accountability for it.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)And it would be up to the networks if they choose to do a split screen.
They don't have to show Trump.
TeamPooka
(25,577 posts)You listening CNN and MSNBC?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)FakeNoose
(40,085 posts)Seriously though, I think all retiring Presidents have been given the courtesy of a free ride on Uncle Sam. Hell, even Nixon got a free ride after he resigned. So that's a small price to pay in order to get Chump out of Washington. He's on his own after that.
Retrograde
(11,373 posts)and didn't spend the time between election day and the inauguration pretending they had four more years
Nitram
(26,996 posts)Washington, D.C. Trump should not be allowed to use the presidential jet at taxpayer expense too go to any other event.
birdographer
(2,937 posts)We are so used to petty vindictiveness and pure nastiness and vengeance that it seems a logical move for a president to do to Donnie. But Joe is a *good* human being, total opposite of what we have had for the last four years. We just are too used to our new horrific normal and now we want it. What I like about this is that I am pretty sure there is a huge protest planned for the inauguration (trump supporters even bragging about what they would be wearing at the event, evidently clueless that it is virtual for all but a few invitees), and it would be so typical for trump to have left town and not even be there for their big event.
Oh yes, if trump appears anywhere on the screen during the inauguration, there will be quite an uprising and I will be glad to join in.
This does sound exactly like some stunt that jackass would pull.
MRDAWG
(501 posts)**
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)Fla Dem
(27,410 posts)He will be given a plane to fly to wherever he wants to go. But it wont be the official AF1 and after 12 noon, it wont be identified as AF1. He knows, his staff knows the protocol. Rumors like this are just to get everyone riled up.
Peregrine Took
(7,583 posts)I'm not kidding - I feel weak kneed and nauseated by the very sight of any trumper but especially "It" parading around with symbolic items that belong to the American people.
struggle4progress
(125,327 posts)Ex-presidents usually leave quickly after the ceremony. Obama was at Andrews by about 1P. GW Bush left town within about two hours
If Trump's not leaving the Capitol by helicopter shortly after the inauguration because he's somewhere else, he has a limited window for any SAM flight, because the crew can't hang around indefinitely as a courtesy to him
And if Trump's in the air at noon, I think he's on his courtesy SAM flight
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,284 posts)I learned that when Nixon was flown to California.
BobTheSubgenius
(12,169 posts)Otherwise, if it overflew the Inauguration, Now-President Biden could order it shot down. Probably more blowback than it's worth, but it would still be great fun to see.
If there is a "shadow" event in FL, under NO circumstances should it be used for return transportation for the trash it delivered.
Fla Dem
(27,410 posts)He'll probably stamp his feet and say everyone's being mean to him, but suck it up fat boy.
Warpy
(114,374 posts)AF1 will not be available to fly him back to DC. He's going to have to make his own arrangements to the venue and then to whatever mink lined hidey hole he picks.
I'm sure Biden will let him go as a courtesy. At 12:01, Dumdum will no longer be entitled to an official limo, an official motorcade or an AF1 jaunt anywhere else. While delivering him to NYC instead is an attractive thought, it would most likely be considered kidnapping.
As for buzzing the inauguration, the airspace will be closed. I sincerely doubt the pilot will do it, no matter what kind of tantrum the man baby throws.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)He wants to get to Florida ASAP where he and all his federal appointed judges and millions of MAGAts can fight extradition to NewYork........
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)And rename the flight - Dumpster One. The Commander in Chief will not be on board - they are hauling trash.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,841 posts)And said a similar sentiment a few weeks ago;
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214667794