Before they try to make Ashli Babbitt some kind of martyred victim of police brutality...

[Montauk6]

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*She wasn't pulled over for a traffic violation.
*She wasn't sitting in her living room watching TV
*She wasn't selling items in a parking lot
*She wasn't walking home at night from a convenience store
*She wasn't shopping at Walmart
*She wasn't coming out of a night club.
*She wasn't arguing with someone on a subway.
*She wasn't playing with a toy gun in the park.
*She didn't pull out her wallet.
*She wasn't sleeping in her car.
*She wasn't sleeping in her bed.
*She WAS an active participant in a terrorist attack on the Capitol building.
Slight difference, but what do I know?

[blm]

1. Perfectly framed, M.

Will share

[TheBlackAdder]

29. Ah, but did she sell single cigs on the street?

[magicarpet]

85. Did she run down to the corner store to get some Skittles and a soda ?

[TheBlackAdder]

86. knew it.

[dalton99a]

2. She came to help capture Pence for trial and execution

[Bernardo de La Paz]

68. Yes. See data in my post, #19

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14844628

[dalton99a]

71. +1

[TexasProgresive]

3. She was shot while breaking her oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

I have little pity for oath breakers.
wǣrloga ‘traitor, scoundrel, monster’ from wǣr ‘covenant’ + an element related to lēogan ‘belie, deny’

[sanatanadharma]

10. "Oath-Breaker" is a power word

Powerful word that needs to go viral as a label for some maga-seditionists (the military magas).

The word and concept need to be made a meme.

[Lonestarblue]

28. Traitor is another powerful word.

Every one of these terrorists is a traitor to the US and need to be labeled as such.

[NHvet]

30. Exactly

Unfortunately many current and formal military members have forgotten or never really took their oaths seriously. I can't fathom ever breaking it. "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same" ..... And nothing I have seen in the constitution grants her leave to do what she did. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Rural_Progressive]

39. So glad this is being brought up

Every single one of us who served took that oath!!! When I finished my enlistment nobody sent me any paperwork that said, "Thanks for playing, now that you are no longer formally associated with the United States Coast Guard the oath you took when you enlisted is no longer binding."

Any of us who took that oath took it for LIFE. Oaths are serious business, if you break them you have given up your honor. Without honor what are you? As far as I'm concerned any veterans in that crowd should be reactivated and court martialed. You think state and federal prisons are fun, you haven't really lived until you've spent some time in a Navy brig or an Army stockade. I was a hospital corpsman and at one of my duty stations I was detailed to hold sick call for the Coasties who were in a Navy brig. The marines guarding that place treated me like cr*p, what they did to the actual detainees was much worse.

You chose to break your oath, you pay the price.

[NHvet]

47. I remember being told

when I separated that I could be called back if needed, and in reality my enlistment was a lifetime commitment. Seems others missed that part. As for the Brig, I live not far from the infamous Portsmouth Naval prison. It's long since closed, but still an ominous site to see. Click out some youtube videos on it.

[keithbvadu2]

84. Robert E Lee pretended his oath did not count because he resigned his commission.

Robert E Lee pretended his oath did not count because he resigned his commission.

[dware]

51. +100. nt

[kag]

55. "Without honor what are you?"

Lindsey Graham
Mitch McConnell
Josh Hawley
Ted Cruz
Trump (all of them)
an so many, many more.

[NHvet]

80. but they do say there is honour among thieves so there is that...

[TxVietVet]

77. You are correct. When you break the law attacking

The US government, you are going to suffer the consequences of you actions.
You mess with the bull, you get the horn.

[soldierant]

52. What happened to oath breakers in The Lord of the Rings was epic.

I don't remember it being in the movie ... but in the book ...

theyir souls were doomed never to rest until the time came for them to atone for it by fighting alongside Aragorn. Centuries, i think it was.

[TexasProgresive]

57. Sounds right to me.

[Ferrets are Cool]

91. It was in the movie. The last one, I think.

[soldierant]

92. It would, if in at all, be in the third movie

since it was fairly deep into the third book.

I'm just far more familiar with the books.

[Lock him up.]

87. AND amongst traitorous white-supremacist neo-NAZI domestic terroRists. nt

[Irish_Dem]

4. There is a damning interview with a man standing next to her when she was shot.

He stated she had been told a number of times to back away from the window and she refused to comply with police orders. Police who had guns drawn.

[NHvet]

33. This

And I'm sure she probably in different instances said ..." if they only respected the police and complied"

[Irish_Dem]

40. Exactly. But she was special. She was a military vet and knew better. nt

[gilligan]

48. No

She was white.

[Irish_Dem]

49. Yep. She didn't know better I guess, she was was "special" because she was white. nt

[Va Lefty]

5. MAGA martyr

A la Horst Wessel.

[Harker]

32. +33.

That's exactly who came to mind.

[Hortensis]

6. No chance of that beyond her own sort, of course.

Maybe check on what's been found so far about what she WAS, including that she once served with the DC National Guard. It'll be very strange if there isn't more coming out.

[Ilsa]

20. Fucking Q-anon-ers mis- using the US flag.

[Hortensis]

23. Yes, but beyond that she probably considered

herself some thing of an expert on the DC national guard, and perhaps others did also. Those insurrectionists had both planned and equipped people and others who seemed to be mostly along for the insurrectionary ride. None of them are our best and brightest, obviously, but she would fall in the first group.

[Ilsa]

79. ITA. She was in it to further "the cause,"

and had no problem with trying to track down the Speaker and others. I bet she had her own supply of zip ties and a weapon.

[RockRaven]

7. I recommend people watch the video. There is one which shows the cop, the gun, the barricaded

entryway which she tried to climb through, and the moment she gets shot.

I don't like watching that stuff in general, but this is going to be a thing which people argue about for a long time, and it helps to know who is bullshitting or gas lighting you.

[DLCWIdem]

8. K & R

[NNadir]

9. Get thee to the greatest page, high up.

[kcr]

11. Couldn't rec fast enough

Because people HERE are doing that shit. Enraging.

[lame54]

12. She didn't have her back turned

[Gothmog]

13. This lady was a terrorist who was in the process of committing a crime

[TygrBright]

14. BUT she was white. That :ahem: trumps everything else you mentioned. n/t

[NoMoreRepugs]

15. Excellent post.

[klook]

16. Babbitt, not Bennett

https://heavy.com/news/ashli-babbit/

I'm sure Trump would like to award her a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom before he's out of there.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

17. KnR..nt

[KS Toronado]

18. Has the officer who shot her claimed "I feared for my life" yet?

What they usually claim.

[Hortensis]

24. You seem to misunderstand the situation.

The house chamber was inside those doors with over a dozen house members being guarded for their lives. The people coming through those doors were terrorists/insurrectionists trying to get to them. That woman used to be a member of the DC national guard herself, and she knew the guards would shoot at people coming through.

They understood that those attacking could intend to murder immediately or hold them in a hostage situation. There was no misunderstanding of duty here. It’s the same Kind of duty secret service agents guarding the president have. They did not shoot her before she came through the window frame. Then they did shoot her as she was coming through.

The last message on her phone was for her to not be hurt from someone who understood that she was going into danger.

[KS Toronado]

74. Sorry, I didn't misunderstand the situation, but confused it with cops usual excuse.

This officer was correct in his handling of the situation and needs no excuse for his actions.

[Hortensis]

75. The street-shooting excuse some get away with murder with. Sure.

I wouldn't have responded, but some don't differentiate.

[KS Toronado]

96. Thanks, I just had a brain fart today and felt stupid after realizing it.

[Hortensis]

97. Seriously, this whole thing is brain numbing, trying to

figure out who's dong what why. At least Trump's dependable -- never to be trusted. Yesterday he told the insurrectionists he'd join them on their march to the Capitol to take back their country. Now he's promising them "you'll pay."

[KS Toronado]

115. Yes, this whole thing is mind numbing

One of the good things to come out of all this mayhem is the reasonable republicans could start questioning
how they are going to vote going forward which should help our party.

[Hortensis]

116. Yes, sure hope those stay appalled. Don't suppose moderate cons

will ever separate entirely from the radicalized hard-cores, majorities and all that. At this point it looks like the Trump crime family's plot to take over the RNC has probably failed. So I'm going to hope the worst of those self-exile from the GOP that's betrayed them to follow Trump to wherever he continues to milk them from.

[Tommymac]

35. The officer was defending OUR Capital against an armed Insurrection.

She deserved what happened to her.

Why the fuck are you trying to put the blame on someone doing their job????????

[dware]

54. What kind of fucking shit is this?

She was a terrorist involved in a terrorist act, she was warned numerous times to get back, she had a back pack on, and considering that 2 pipe bombs had been discovered and disarmed earlier, it's a safe bet that the police thought that there may have been a bomb in that back pack as she was trying to crawl through the broken window, which she helped break.

The police had every right to protect themselves and the lawmakers in the room with them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

100. Really?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. She HAD a rap sheet, WAS subject 2 restraining orders & peace order, knew what she was doing Jan6

She was going to arrest Pelosi and Pence. She was breaking into the corridor with the Speaker's offices when she was shot, as I understand it. They are not marked so she planned and prepared for her crime. She knew where she was going. She ignored orders to stop. She was leading the Break & Enter. Eye witness on Global News said just that. "She didn't heed" "She went in first"

Link to tweet

She was a really angry lunatic who retweeted lunatic Q conspiracy theories and ranted and raged while driving. Her rap sheet is reflective of crimes favoured by angry people.

Driving While Angry video:

Link to tweet

DailyMail.com can reveal she was

* previously prosecuted for reckless endangerment, malicious destruction of property in July 2016

* The 14-year Air Force veteran was also the subject of two restraining orders

* Babbitt, then named McEntree, was also prosecuted for tampering with a 2012 Ford on a country road in Prince Frederick, a Maryland town outside D.C.

* Court records reveal police found probable cause for the two criminal charges, but Calvert County court acquitted her of the reckless endangerment charge

* She was found not guilty of malicious destruction or tampering

* Babbitt was subject to a temporary peace order filed in February 2017

[Roc2020]

42. uh huh. So you took matters into

your own hands. How did the rant to your Maker turn out?

[SunSeeker]

64. Wow. Thanks for posting all that.

She was out there. Yeow.

[dalton99a]

70. +1

[raccoon]

103. So she was no angel. Remember some reporter posted, "He was no angel,"

About one of the black men who was murdered because he was black? And the “reason” they said “he was no angel” was a fairly minor brush with the law.

[TimeToGo]

21. There seems to be a difference

[llashram]

22. thank you for some clarity

all so true. She made her choice, she died for that choice.

[sheshe2]

56. I am sorry she is dead...

However, I agree with you, llashram. She made her choice. She was no naive kid that had no clue about what she was about to do and the gravity of the situation.

[llashram]

59. yep

tough situation all way 'round.

[SunSeeker]

65. She was a vet who died for a 5-time draft dodger.

[dware]

67. She was also a vet who died for a man who doesn't give a fuck about her

or the Military.

[SunSeeker]

72. That's for fucking sure. nt

[sarge43]

112. Just another sucker and loser. n/t

[dware]

114. +100.

Yep, according to Pissolini.

[sarge43]

118. That's a bad ass rigg you got there, Gunny.

Thanks for the +100. How any AD or vet can even look at that POS is beyond me.

[dware]

119. It's beyond me too,

especially after the way Pissolini has treated the Military these last 4 years.

Thanks, she is a bad ass rig, her name is Lucille and she hasn't let me down yet in the almost 3 years I've had her.

[sheshe2]

73. Good point.

[yaesu]

25. just another dead tRumpster, these brainwashed idiots are all dead to me anyway. nt

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[SergeStorms]

43. She would have died...

from COVID-19 sooner or later anyway. They sprinkle it on their cereal in the morning.

[PatrickforO]

26. Babbit died a traitor.

And this disgusting spectacle yesterday made the racial bias in police departments stand out in stark relief, as Biden pointed out.

[MyOwnPeace]

78. Very clear point!

SHE DIED A TRAITOR.

She was NOT defending our country. She was acting as a part of a movement to disrupt or destroy a basic concept and founding right of our country - the freedom to vote and have that vote count.

SHE DIED A TRAITOR.

[hibbing]

27. Good content n/t

[LudwigPastorius]

31. Some of those rioters had weapons, including long guns and improvised explosives.

How were the cops supposed to know which one of those MAGAts were going to draw down on them or toss a pipe bomb?

Also, how were the police supposed to divine the ultimate intention of the rioters? At that point, it was reasonable to believe that the mob was going to storm the Senate chamber and massacre everyone in there.

Any Trump-Nazi can just take that "martyr" noise and fuck right off with it.

[Harker]

36. Seeing a US flag on a baseball bat staff

was a potent image to me.

[Aviation91]

34. Well said!

[Tommymac]

37. Thanks for this.

[Woodwizard]

38. No pity

She knew what she was getting into, you make an oath to uphold the constitution on enlistment. I knew many assholes while I was in the Army, no need to put veterans on a pedestal.

[Rural_Progressive]

44. Absolutely right

For the overwhelming majority of us it was just a job. Some of us did our job well some of us are complete f*ckups. One thing we all did was take an oath that binds us for the rest of our lives.

She broke her oath and she paid the price of it.

[SergeStorms]

41. The false equivalencies are running rampant.

Little Donnie Jr. tweets, "don't be like them". Excuse me, but I don't remember a single BLM demonstration where they rushed past law enforcement, injuring some, to take over and ransack a federal building. Trying to convince us that is wasn't the peaceful, respectful Proud Boys who broke windows to occupy the Capital, it was Antifa infiltrators. Lying has become the lifeblood of the vast majority of republicans.

[Jetheels]

45. I don't like vets that get shot

when they’re breaking into our capitol.

[11 Bravo]

46. Outstanding post!

K&R

[Major Nikon]

50. Much more of a David Koresh than a Breonna Taylor

I suspect the wingnuts will make her a martyr anyway, just like Koresh. Suspiciously absent will be the cognitive dissonance with them claiming George Floyd would still be alive had he not tried to pass a $20 counterfeit note.

[franzwohlgemuth]

53. As far as I'm concerned

She committed treason. Good riddance. Nothing too brutal for that crime. Should happen to all of them.

[Blecht]

61. Ashli Babbitt .equals. I blab batshit

Too bad we don't have readily available mental health services -- She'd still be alive today.

[Handler]

62. It doesn't matter if she was a vet

I am a vet and I think attempting to sack the US Capital should a very dangerous endeavor.
It would appear she discovered that hard truth.

[Cha]

63. Excellent OP.. TY!

[chowder66]

66. Best Post on DU. nt

[Blue Owl]

69. K&R

[UTUSN]

76. K&R

[paleotn]

81. Victim?

Burn in hell trump trash!!!!

[Nexus2]

82. Fox is really playing up the victim angle.

Showing smiling photos of her and sound byte of her grieving husband quite a bit.

[housecat]

83. yeah but she was white.

[Sparkly]

88. At most, she was a victim

of Trump rightwing propaganda brainwashing hysteria; yet in a free society with a sentient mind, particularly with facts available as easily as EpochTimes and 8Chan, she bears responsibility.

(But she wasn't "looking suspicious" while climbing through that window, I s'pose.)

[Chemisse]

89. I don't understand why she was shot and nobody else was.

Why did they hold the door open for the others and shoot this woman? Maybe she was the first and they thought they could stop the incursion, but gave up when so many were coming through?

I can't wait for the full story of the whole riot.

[Squidly]

101. This was a different area

That doorway led to where congress wss being sheltered. She was the only one shot, because she was the only one stupid enough to try to breach the door while capital security had guns drawn warning them not to enter. She got what her treasonous ass deserved.

[Chemisse]

111. Okay, thanks.

The whole scene was confusing to me. I'm not saying it's wrong to shoot an attacker; I just haven't been able to make sense of it all.

Sometimes I miss having a Sunday paper, which would devote a huge section to this, with diagrams, maps and timelines and would spell it all out in great detail.

[Squidly]

120. youre welcome

Ive seen a number of different videos with different angles on this. most of them have been posted here on DU. Some are confusing, some are quite revealing. One angle will tell a different story vs another and what I wrote is what I have put together using everything ive seen and read.

[ck4829]

90. K&R

[VladmireTrumpkins]

93. Minority view USAF vet

I first said Good when I hear she had been shot..not an ounce of sympathy from me! but then I saw the video of it all..and it was horrible.!

.First I saw a video of her marching, smiling and she talked of President Trump. .then there was a video of a crowd and a gunshot heard..she falls back and is clutching for her shoulder..hard to say as her face was blurred out..

I know she was into many things I deplore but I see her as a young woman filled with life who really thought she was fighting for her country...whose life was taken because she believed the lies of Donald Trump, FOX news, and so many many other liars.. They are the ones I hate..they caused all this..

My father was a combat wounded vet of WW2 and as I kid he told me many stories of what the war was like..I remember once saying , "Gee Dad, I bet you hate Germans" He said to me. No, son, I don't . They were just young me fighting for their country and what they thought was right"
I feel the same of this woman..a beautiful young lady acted foolishly and paid with her life because too many old men told too many lies.

[StarfishSaver]

104. Wow.

Now tell us what a handsome, fresh-faced kid filled with hopes and dreams Tim McVeigh was before he blew up the federal building.

I don't feel sorry for her at all. Yes, she believed those lies. You know why? Because she was open to them. Because they comported with her world view and mindset. Trump has lied to all of us, but most of us didn't fall for them. Because we're not racist fascists with a propensity to believe that we are superior beings with special rights that are being taken away from us by black and brown people.

No, she doesn't get my pity because she fell for the lies of a demagogue. Even if Trump never existed, this woman would likely have run into trouble. She was a problem long before Trump came along -;or as is often said about unarmed black men shot by police for minding their own business: "She was no angel, you know."

I have a feeling you wouldn't be waxing so eloquent about her poor lost soul and unfulfilled promise if this woman looked more like Aaron Neville than Sheryl Crow. Being white, female and pretty does not make her more deserving of sympathy than any other dangerous criminal. She is not a victim.

[VladmireTrumpkins]

107. Reply to StarfishSaver

You have made many good points ..but

She was not carrying a gun.not throwing bombs..she should not have been in that area. i agree.

But I was young a long time ago and made foolish mistakes..she should not have paid with her life.. I am not blaming the police.. I blame the older people that fed her lies and created fears and divisions for power and profit

As for your feelings that I would not feel the same way if she were black..you judge me when you dont even know me. ...

[StarfishSaver]

108. How did the agents on the other side of that window she was climbing through know she wasn't armed?

She was part of a violent mob that had stormed the Capitol and was now breaking through the police to get to the House floor.

You think they were supposed to stand there and say, "We're in the middle of a screaming out-of-control riot and we're the last line of defense between a mob and the Vice President of the United States, the Vice President-elect of the United States, the Speaker of the House and the entire federal legislature who are all just a few yards away, but we can't be sure that this pretty blonde woman trying to fling herself at us through the window she just smashed has a gun or a bomb on her so let's just wait and see what she does when she gets closer to us so we don't shoot an innocent person"?

Please.

A foolish mistake is joyriding in Daddy's car after curfew or drinking too much beer and then streaking across the dean's front lawn in college. A 30-something woman participating in an armed insurrection at the U.S. Capitol and refusing to stop advancing in armed security despite repeated demands is NOT engaging in harmless hijinks.

And, as I said, I sincerely doubt you'd be so sympathetic to this woman if she weren't white, blonde and pretty - if her name were Tupac and she looked like Biggie, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[VladmireTrumpkins]

109. You dont get it

I am not going to argue with you..and I saw the tape she was not trying to fling herself through any window.

.And would I be consider racist if I said you would be filled with sympathy if she were black and looting a building? Making assumtions like you are doing?

[StarfishSaver]

110. I get it loud and clear

And the more you write, the louder and clearer it gets

[VladmireTrumpkins]

117. Well i guess in your mind I a liberal snowflake..

[Squidly]

121. I dont know what video you saw....

but the multiple videos I have seen and different angles of the incident clearly show that she went through that window even as armed security was yelling not to do so. No ones fault but her own for taking part in a coup attempt.

[StarfishSaver]

122. But she was so young and pretty and white

Heartbreaking ...

[VladmireTrumpkins]

123. Go back to Brietbart

I feel sorry for a young woman who was killed because she bought into the lies and BS that were told by others who were more violent and older ..no sympathy for them..or people that cant see that..and please drop your accusations of racism..all you are doing is making matters worse

[badboy67]

94. The difference is as clear as night and day, if you know what I mean...

[BobTheSubgenius]

95. And she knowingly kept advancing towards drawn guns, KNOWING they were there,

and, although there was no audio, almost certainly ignoring loud verbal warnings to stop.

I have zero sympathy, especially when she flew from CA to be there. It's not like she lived in the neighbourhood and got caught up in the moment.

[Pinkflamingo]

98. And she didn't have a broken taillight. And she wasn't breaking up a fight. And if she were black or

brown, she would have gotten shot a lot sooner.

[StarfishSaver]

105. She'd have been shot the minute she started to climb over the barricades

[mdbl]

99. Exactly on point

My thought was "thanks Ashli for your service and too bad you turned into such a dangerous person to your own country"

The fact she was in the air force doesn't forgive her.

[StarfishSaver]

102. Thank you

[wryter2000]

106. And...

They immediately gave her medical aid. The Ferguson police let Michael Brown just die in the street.

[redstatebluegirl]

113. K&R

[LetMyPeopleVote]

124. From the Hoarse Whisperer

Link to tweet

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