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Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:37 AM

I'm beginning to get a sense

That breaching the Capitol to stop the vote count was a convenient smoke screen for an even more sinister operation: (likely) russian intel theft.

Cannot get the image of mr. Zip ties out of my head. That is a professional terrorist. Much better armed & equipped.

And now reports of "equities" & at least 1 latop having been stolen.

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Reply I'm beginning to get a sense (Original post)
SheltieLover Jan 2021 OP
Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #1
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #3
Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #5
Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #25
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #6
Wicked Blue Jan 2021 #8
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #14
Raster Jan 2021 #2
tblue37 Jan 2021 #10
Raster Jan 2021 #16
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #18
XanaDUer2 Jan 2021 #22
keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #47
Cosmocat Jan 2021 #60
wnylib Jan 2021 #66
tblue37 Jan 2021 #4
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #11
Raster Jan 2021 #17
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #20
Raster Jan 2021 #26
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #44
tblue37 Jan 2021 #24
ShazzieB Jan 2021 #29
bdamomma Jan 2021 #73
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #41
wnylib Jan 2021 #68
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #69
wnylib Jan 2021 #70
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #72
bronxiteforever Jan 2021 #31
IronLionZion Jan 2021 #33
wnylib Jan 2021 #67
ret5hd Jan 2021 #7
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #12
genxlib Jan 2021 #9
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #13
genxlib Jan 2021 #15
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #21
ananda Jan 2021 #19
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #23
bdamomma Jan 2021 #74
llashram Jan 2021 #27
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #28
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #45
llashram Jan 2021 #46
Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #65
callous taoboy Jan 2021 #30
Marcuse Jan 2021 #58
callous taoboy Jan 2021 #64
judesedit Jan 2021 #32
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #34
Botany Jan 2021 #35
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #38
Botany Jan 2021 #48
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #50
58Sunliner Jan 2021 #53
IronLionZion Jan 2021 #36
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #39
keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #52
IronLionZion Jan 2021 #55
keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #59
IronLionZion Jan 2021 #63
bdamomma Jan 2021 #75
housecat Jan 2021 #37
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #40
Riverman100 Jan 2021 #42
SheltieLover Jan 2021 #43
LiberalArkie Jan 2021 #49
58Sunliner Jan 2021 #56
station agent Jan 2021 #51
Botany Jan 2021 #57
TomDaisy Jan 2021 #54
wnylib Jan 2021 #61
sarchasm Jan 2021 #62
Fresh_Start Jan 2021 #71

Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:43 AM

1. Did you see my post about the arrestee who needed a Russian interpreter?

How many more little green men were there, I wonder

I think you are absolutely right about possible intel theft, Sheltie Lover

T-rump has been Putin's obedient lapdog for years

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214853716

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:45 AM

3. Link it. No we don't see it unless you link it. You can click your "My Posts" tab. We can't. nt

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:08 AM

25. Thanks. I had seen a report on RW forum that Russian was spoken as rioters smashed something


This would confirm it.

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:46 AM

6. I did see your post!

Ty for sharing that!

And there was another post last night about someone catching russuan phrases on video tapes of the insurrection!

Gawd I hope FBI finds mr. Zip ties.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:48 AM

8. Holding a member of Congress hostage

or Goddess forbid executing one

would be a huge coup for them

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Response to Wicked Blue (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:57 AM

14. 8'm sure that was one prong of their plan!

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:44 AM

2. the "organizers" of this "event" advised "participants" to bring zip ties to tie up hostages...

...You do realize that they also built a gallows outside the Capitol, right?

And frankly, the Russians* would not need something like this to gain US intel. They already have tRump* and Kushner* and others on the inside more than willing to "share."

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:49 AM

10. Not to mention that successful months long hack of all our government departments, as well as

innumerable businesses.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:00 AM

16. Exactly! However, I do not doubt for one minute that there were not "unfriendly nationals"...

...in the crowd. Don't doubt it for a minute. After all, they also knew in advance this would be happening, JUST. LIKE. EVERYONE. ELSE. The only people that didn't seem to have a clue were the Capitol Hill Police Captain (now resigned) and certain employees of the Pentagon.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:02 AM

18. Maybe there were things they could not access

Or, perhaps someone had the common sense to NOT put super secret info into computers. I mean, just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we SHOULD.

Seems to be a concept that escapes consciousness for many, sadly.

Just trying to process this terrorist attack like everyone else.

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:06 AM

22. Yes, any regular viewer of crime

shows knows about zip ties. Sure thats where they got that idea.

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:56 AM

47. Jared thinks a security clearance is a license to sell our country's secrets for profit.

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:29 PM

60. More likely they saw this was going to happen, know these jackasses are nuts

and put their people in the mix to go with them when the broke in ...


Useful idiots ...

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 03:14 PM

66. But they might be useful in leading

an insurrectionist coup. However, if that was the case, wouldn't an English-speaking agent be used? Language is such an obvious giveaway. Yet, why would a Russian speaking person who was not an agent participate in a coup if they were too new to the country to even know English?

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:46 AM

4. There were TWO guys with zip ties. Malcolm Nance said it looked like a capture & kill

team was included among the amateurs.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:50 AM

11. Shivers...

We are so so so lucky that the secret service & *good* capitol police sheltered our beloved leaders!

Those guys are bad news. Stuff nightmares are made of!

I need eye bleach!

Ty for sharing Mr. Nance's insights! I adore him.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:02 AM

17. There were more than two guys with zip ties. Zip ties were part of the recommend "items" to bring.

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Response to Raster (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:03 AM

20. Gawd...

Ty. I was refering to tblue's post #4 above.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:14 AM

26. I shiver along with you. On reich-wing media and web, they were calling this...

...Independence Day, the day we take back our country.

They planned on taking some legislators (Dems, of course) prisoner. Hell, they even were talking about taking Pence* prisoner.

As I said, THEY. BUILT. A. GALLOWS.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2021/politics/trump-insurrection-capitol/



But the insurrection was hardly spontaneous. It was carefully, methodically planned, spelled out on far-right social media, where die-hard Trump supporters openly traded advice on how to steer clear of D.C. police officers, how to pry open the doors of the Capitol and how to get illegal guns into the city.

In forums devoted to the QAnon conspiracy theory movement and among hard-right groups such as the Proud Boys, plans to turn a pro-Trump rally into a full-on capture of the Capitol had been plotted, dissected and disseminated for months.

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Response to Raster (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:48 AM

44. And no one is watching them as Trump forbid the FBI to go after domestic terrorists...if

Gov. Whitmer had been targeted nationally and not by those in her state...they probably would have succeeded...the state got these guys.

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Response to Raster (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:06 AM

24. I didn't know that. I think that makes it even scarier. It looks as though the organizers

planned to kidnap our legislators.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:07 AM

29. Absolutely. 😡

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Response to ShazzieB (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:48 PM

73. kidnap

and execute.

They need to find these domestic terrorists, they need the CULT leader removed too.

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Response to Raster (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:42 AM

41. These were the types law enforcement used...chilling.

Now why would you need zip ties at a protest unless you planned a hostage scenario? They had ropes...they were going to kill our people, Mike Pence. Malcolm says he thinks besides burning the ballots, the idea was to take out the succession and hand Trump a coup...Trump had a war room set up in a white tent to watch with his traitorous, worthless daughter and others. Meadows needs to be charged and locked up for years.

This was a coup. The average Capitol policeman acted heroically as did secret service and saved our folks...they got them out of harms way. One paid with his life and one is in critical condition. We need to identify and arrest everyone of them if only to stop the right claiming it was Antifa...but of course those scumbag would be murderers should face prison.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 03:38 PM

68. And the molotov cocktails and

weapons that were found? I'm wondering what the plan was for those. Looks like a larger plan was either disrupted or just abandoned for some reason. Wonder if they were meant to be used as defense once the hostages were taken.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 04:11 PM

69. I think the police saved us... secret service too

By getting our folks to safety. It disrupted the plan.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #69)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 05:33 PM

70. That's what I'm inclined to think, too.

When that plan failed and Biden went publuc with demands that Trump call off the occupation of the building, Trump finally did tell them to go home peacefully, while also praising them annd saying how much he loved them, and repeating the stolen election lies.

Today, Trump reversed himself, calling their actions unacceptable. He is only concerned about being removed from office and arrested for inciting (and probably worse) the assault on the Capitol.

I want him out of office and in jail.

In an online article, Malcolm Nance said that he expects many more similar insurrectionist actions by various RW groups for months to come. They are celebrating what happened on Wednesday. They want a revolution and will not give up until they are defeated. This makes Trump a continuing danger both in and out of office. I don't have a link, but I found the article by searching "Malcolm Lance, Capitol insurrection" to see what he had to say about it.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:43 PM

72. I saw him on some of the shows. his words were chilling.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:17 AM

31. Wow! I didn't know there were 2. Good god!

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:25 AM

33. Looks like terrorism nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 03:24 PM

67. Well that would be one form of

Russian election help for Trump. Eliminate the successers in a "citizen" coup to keep Trump in power.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:47 AM

7. I stated as much during the "siege":

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:51 AM

12. Ty!

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:48 AM

9. Yes and no

I think you are probably right that there could very well have been professional spies in that crowd.

However, I don't think zip tie guy is one of them. The whole para-military outfit is much more likely to be a standard militia type who can just afford better gear. It's cos-play for fascists.

Real professionals would have blended much better than that.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:54 AM

13. Maybe so

But zip tie guys (2!) I think expected distractions.

Malcom was talking about a team of 2. A hit sqaad, if you will.

At any rate, it seems the outrageous behavior of covidiots was serving to distract from much more sinister plans & activities.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #13)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 09:59 AM

15. I have no doubt

That ziptie guy had sinister plans. I just think he is more of the domestic terrorist type (ie Michigan kidnapping plot)

The idea of professional foreign spooks is a whole different problem. They were probably there but I just don't think that they would be so easily distinguishable. Look for the guys in the non-descript clothing who don't stand out. The pros are smarter than our numbnut terrorist types.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:04 AM

21. Likely so

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:02 AM

19. Jeff Merkley said his laptop was stolen.

So who knows...

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Response to ananda (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:06 AM

23. Yup

Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:59 AM - Edit history (1)

And documents strewn about as if someone were looking for something very specific.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 02:53 PM

74. Those documents

that were strewn around who's office/s were those??? Was it Pelosi??

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 10:57 AM

27. trump's loss, his cabal and

Putin set this up? The large hack of sensitive data and now this? Too pat. Nance is right about it all.

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Response to llashram (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:00 AM

28. Yup

And russians among terrorists!

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Response to llashram (Reply #27)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:50 AM

45. And Biden stopped getting intel briefings too...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:55 AM

46. aahhh yeah!

we're all working on 8 now and I believe the new team coming into the game on the 20th will have true experience in quarterbacking...

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Response to llashram (Reply #46)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 02:59 PM

65. True that.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:17 AM

30. My Q brother sent this video to me- Claims Pelosi's laptop was stolen:

These three "intellects" taking more idiots down the rabbit hole:


&feature=emb_logo

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Response to callous taoboy (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:28 PM

58. Remember the old days when every crackpot didn't have unlimited access to ink, paper and postage?

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 02:08 PM

64. Ironically, this same brother said of the internet years ago

that it was going to be a huge Pandora's Box. He resisted getting a computer for a long time, now he's turned into a MAGA zombie.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:21 AM

32. The good thing is, we'll be under a new administration & Biden will turn things around to do things

his way, so some of the intel will change. He has lots of experience with the foreign powers that be. Thank goodness Biden is President with all his experience, diplomatic skills, and old friends and acquaintances in the world. Our allies know and trust him. Our enemies respect him. He's no pushover. Time will tell what info they did get. Hopefully, the computers lock after a few minutes and need multiple passwords to open. At least it will take them some time to get the information. By then, hopefully, we'll know exactly what they have.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:27 AM

34. +1,000!

Ty!

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:31 AM

35. It looks like Russia was involved in the storming of the Capitol

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Response to Botany (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:37 AM

38. Yup

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:56 AM

48. Just my guess but it now looks like this riot was a planned event

Between "Team Trump," the Capitol Police, members of the Department of Defense (stalled in
getting National Guard troops there), right wing media and GOP instigators, and Vlad Putin.

Treasonous traitors. Fuckers need to be jail and we must expose all of Trump's un American
crimes.

Trump and Putin planned that crap!

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Response to Botany (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:02 PM

50. Agreed!

There was also a post yesterday about flight to DC loaded with dump.fans.

Flight attendants could not control them.

They got off plane & walked away.

Why were they not arrested?

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Response to Botany (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:13 PM

53. The RNC also paid for buses, and planned moths in advance to dispute the election.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:31 AM

36. At least 2 had zip ties, plenty had canisters of irritants, sledgehammers, ladders

29 Pictures That Show What Domestic Terrorism Looks Like In The United States

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-of-capitol-destruction

Perpetual denial of white terrorism only enables more of it.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:39 AM

39. Totally agreed

We have this today because nixon, dybya, cheney, etc. Did not get fully prosecuted!

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:07 PM

52. Trumpsters left more than trash.

Trumpsters left more than trash.

Pro-Trump rioters smeared poop in U.S. Capitol hallways during belligerent attack

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214853439

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:24 PM

55. Which shithole country did they come from?

oh wait...

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:28 PM

59. GOPlandia

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:48 PM

63. GOP have been shitting on America for years nt

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #36)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 04:12 PM

75. OMG

this is domestic terrorism, hurts me deeply to see this in OUR nations capitol they wanted to overthrow government to put a despot in. And to kill Democratic leaders.


Inside accomplices too.

They need to be arrested and convicted.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:34 AM

37. Russians have egg on their face if they relied on Drump to orchestrate this

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Response to housecat (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:39 AM

40. Yup

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:43 AM

42. I am extremely non violent and opposed to the death penalty...BUT....

on the capital steps it should have been tear gas and rubber bullets for these assholes. Once they were inside, it should have been real bullets. And lots of them... sorry. This just enrages me

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Response to Riverman100 (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 11:46 AM

43. No need to apologize to me

I'm very nonviolent but it was obvious to me police were not preventing breach & felt they should have used every available means to stop insurrection.

Our entire line of succession was in that fucking building!

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:01 PM

49. Something the terrorists I think forgot about is that they were using their cell phones like crazy.

The FBI can (or has) subpoenaed the cell site records of all the cell phones at that location.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:24 PM

56. Did they think there would be no consequences? That part astounds me.

If Donnie got his coup, they might have been home free. Were they certain that was going to happen? Donnie always screws up.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:04 PM

51. Please stop baking up theories

This is bad enough. Let's stick with dealing with the horrors we know instead. Think about it this way if you need to: Making everyone believe that everything happens is Russia would also be a very valuable outcome for russia.

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Response to station agent (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:25 PM

57. Just because one of the people arrested inside the Capitol needed a Russian interpreter no need ...

... to look at that.

BTW I like horses. Do you?



Dozens arrested after mob storms Capitol; officials vow that more will be charged

One person arrested was charged with possessing a “military style automatic weapon” and 11 molotov cocktails, prosecutors said. Another defendant was charged with assaulting a police officer with a hockey stick. Yet another, who needed a Russian interpreter, told a judge, “I don’t know what unlawful entry you are referring to.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/capitol-siege-arrests/2021/01/07/661292a2-5105-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:24 PM

54. apparently many of the terrorists had military or police training

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:32 PM

61. Putin and his gang are next on the

list. We need international cooperation to isolate and crush him.

Also, one more confirmation that Trump is a Russian agent.

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Fri Jan 8, 2021, 12:42 PM

62. NOT your average weekend terrorist

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Is that a map of TN under the skull flag?

(EDIT: shout out to The Sparrow Project @sparrowmedia for IDing this Nashville bartender.)

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Response to SheltieLover (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 08:40 AM

71. both zip tie guys were identified

the one that looked the more threatening was there with his mommy

the other Lt Col ret says he found the zip ties on the floor and picked them up

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