What happens to T---- pardons if he is impeached and convicted?

[Maraya1969]

I would love if they all lost their pardons but I'm afraid they won't.

Plus someone here said that he can pardon them now before they even go to court. Anyone know about that? (Although if impeachment were started it might stop him from doing that since he would be trying to not get convicted)

[BamaRefugee]

1. Interesting question! Hope somebody knows.

[PoliticAverse]

2. Nothing. Acts of the President before being impeached are not undone by an impeachment conviction.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Pardons are valid even during the impeachment process,

because the president retains all of his powers unless and until he is convicted by the Senate and removed from office. Clinton pardoned 33 people during his impeachment proceedings.

[PoliticAverse]

9. Exactly. n/t

[Laelth]

12. +1 n/t

-Laelth

[dware]

3. No.

Once the pardon is given, it's over, no takebacks or recinds.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Nothing. People don't get un-pardoned no matter what happens to the president.

If the president was validly exercising his pardon power at the time the pardon was granted, the pardon remains valid and irrevocable.

[Midnightwalk]

7. Except in cases of impeachment

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Which means concerning the reasons for impeachment.

If the articles include incitement to riot and incitement to insurrection does that make them (part) of the impeachment and a reason to invalidate the pardons?

Edit: Thanks for the replies. I think I get it now. The only restriction is on pardoning yourself or others out of impeachment.

(Also added the word part into the original question)

[PoliticAverse]

13. No, that means the President can't pardon away an impeachment. So if an official

was impeached the President can't cancel the impeachment of that official by pardoning them. It doesn't mean anything else.

[Laelth]

14. No. Sorry. It doesn't work that way.

Any pardon that the President grants will be deemed valid so long as the grantee was President at the time that the pardon was granted.

-Laelth

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Not so. Presidents can be impeached for reasons other than

the commission of statutory crimes; the action for which they are being impeached might not be something that would cause them to be prosecuted. And the clause in the constitution referring to impeachment means only that the impeachment itself is not subject to a pardon (a pardon can't be used to un-impeach someone or vacate their conviction following impeachment).

[unblock]

6. one could make an argument that a pardon is not valid if crimes were involved in obtaining it

a presidential pardon as never been challenged for this, afaik, and i'm not even sure a gubernatorial pardon has been challenged on this basis.

but certainly and argument could be made that if a president simply said, hey, i'll give you a pardon if you pay me a million dollars, then any pardon granted on that basis would not be considered valid. again, there's no case history here so who knows. a supreme court could still find that the pardon itself remains valid even if the people involved were guilty of bribery or some other crime.

so it's theoretically possible some of donnie's pardons could be challenged on a basis like this. however, that doesn't have anything to do with impeachment or removal.

[question everything]

8. Speaking of pardons: we know that one has to be convicted, first

but Ford pardoned Nixon who was not convicted?

[PoliticAverse]

10. You don't have to be convicted to be pardoned. There are been many pardons...

issued by presidents covering people not yet convicted (starting with pardons issued by George Washington).

You don't have to even be charged with a crime yet even to be pardoned.

[question everything]

19. Thanks, interesting. Another thread about self pardon did talk about

Conviction..

[PoliticAverse]

20. I don't think there is a realistic possibility that the courts would find a self-pardon to be valid.

I actually hope Trump pardons himself and that the issue eventually finds its way into the courts.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. The Nixon Pardon, To Which You Referred...

....actually uses the terms "crimes that may have been committed..."
So, that pardon covered things that weren't even known!
The pardon power is very broad and non-specific.
There's little a pardon can't be granted over.

[question everything]

22. Thanks. Perhaps there is a need for some kind of oversight.

[ProfessorGAC]

23. Good Luck With That!

I'm assuming that will require an amendment because it's a specific part of the constitution.
Maybe it's easier than that, but wouldn't be able to guess how.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. Nothing happens automatically, but pardons could be challenged if they were part of obstruction. Nt

[NotASurfer]

16. Every trial of an individual participating in that attempted coup should list Individual 1

As a co-conspirator for instigating, if not outright coordinating, the effort. At the very least he facilitated by hamstringing Federal law enforcement to prevent them from acting pre-emptively, as well as denying assistance after the attack began.

If Individual 1 wants to pardon his co-conspirators, add one count obstruction to his ledger for each co-conspirator pardoned

(I have no hope of this happening, but the image in my mind makes me smile. Sometimes I need that)

[Raven123]

15. Dems should call the mob as witnesses. Pardons then could be considered in context

[MineralMan]

18. They stand, because he was President when he issued them.