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42bambi

(1,753 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:33 PM Jan 2021

I have a very serious question that I'm sure someone on DU will

have the answer. I know the President has the power to deploy the US military in such matters as insurrection or civil disobedience but if the President is unable, (for any reason), shouldn't that responsibility automatically be given to the Vice President?

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I have a very serious question that I'm sure someone on DU will (Original Post) 42bambi Jan 2021 OP
Well, if he is truly unable, then the 25th Amendment applies. Girard442 Jan 2021 #1
All I can say is that to prevent this from ever happening again we 42bambi Jan 2021 #4
Never martial law! Wawannabe Jan 2021 #5
Agreed. That's far too dangerous. Vivienne235729 Jan 2021 #7
The current occupant presently must decide Clearly fogged in Jan 2021 #2
US Army Timewas Jan 2021 #3
JFK sent plenty of active duty military to Univ of Mississisppi in '62. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2021 #6
I see that Timewas Jan 2021 #8
JFK showed restraint. Yes, he sent troops from 101st Airborne Div, but JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2021 #11
Read exclusions on your link re: insurrection grantcart Jan 2021 #9
I agree Timewas Jan 2021 #10

Girard442

(6,066 posts)
1. Well, if he is truly unable, then the 25th Amendment applies.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:37 PM
Jan 2021

If he's a criminal, then impeachment.

If he's a criminal supported by at least one of the houses of Congress, then we're out of legal remedies.

On edit: Even though POTUS is Commander in Chief of the military, they are not obligated to follow illegal orders.

42bambi

(1,753 posts)
4. All I can say is that to prevent this from ever happening again we
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 01:23 PM
Jan 2021

should have Congress author an act (?), for the sole purpose of allowing the VP authority to declare Martial Law in the event the President is deemed mentally unable/unstable (confirmed as such by psychologist's), continue to serve as President.

Wawannabe

(5,634 posts)
5. Never martial law!
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:49 PM
Jan 2021

Please please please do not advocate for Marshall law. Ever! OMG!😳😳😳😳😳

Clearly fogged in

(1,896 posts)
2. The current occupant presently must decide
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:37 PM
Jan 2021

must decide a or b, buttered side up or down, to resume the duties of his office.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
6. JFK sent plenty of active duty military to Univ of Mississisppi in '62.
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 03:58 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:30 PM - Edit history (1)

MPs, Medics, communications, all sent to keep the peace.

So, Posse Comitatus is not quite absolute.

Timewas

(2,190 posts)
8. I see that
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jan 2021

The President may employ the armed forces ... to ... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition ... the President determines that ... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order ... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such ... a condition ... so hinders the execution of the laws ... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law ... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[15]

Of course this says the President can do these things seems to leave it at that...

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
11. JFK showed restraint. Yes, he sent troops from 101st Airborne Div, but
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:29 PM
Jan 2021

... the 101st only sent medics and comm guys. He didn't send in their infantry.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. Read exclusions on your link re: insurrection
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:04 PM
Jan 2021

22 times the Army has been used to put down insurrection. A mob attack on Congress is the text book definition of insurrection.

Timewas

(2,190 posts)
10. I agree
Sun Jan 10, 2021, 04:07 PM
Jan 2021

But it seems that it takes the president to do it, not sure anyone else has the authority to order this.

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