There's a consequence to Trump being disbarred from holding office again, it gets the GOP off the

[OnDoutside]

hook, as they don't have the courage to do what Democrats would do for them, and allows them to airbrush history (they're doing it already with this healing shit).

Rep Tom Malinowski states what I have been saying for the last few days, if he were biased, letting Trump be free to stand again in 2024, would be a big bonus to fighting Republicans, in that it would gen up the Democratic base.

Getting Trump barred from standing again is nice, but it would play into Republican hands who can then blame Democrats, vow to overturn it (as if they would !), and fire up their own base. Be careful what you wish for.

See here from 27:30

[OrlandoDem2]

1. I have thought the same but I lean on the side of favoring impeachment.

This has to be done fir the sake of history. Future presidents must know that they are one part of a co-equal sytem of government and they need to know not to cross the line. This is for precedent.

That said, I’d like the cloud to hang over the GOP has it heads into 2024 wondering if he’ll run, but I like America and democracy more.

[OnDoutside]

4. Don't be confused between Impeachment and a Senate Trial. He's going to be impeached this

week. The problem in the Senate is that McConnell will push it to a Dem Senate and then work to hold his caucus together. Though if the Dems got 17 Repugs, and then disbarred Trump, who does that benefit ? The Republican Party, because they can go into 2024 airbrushing Trump from the history pages and putting up their own brand lowlifes again.

[LuvNewcastle]

2. I'm not sure if impeachment will do any good, but I certainly want

Trumpy taken into custody, booked, indicted, and convicted of sedition and whatever other crimes he might be guilty of. We cannot let anyone do what he did without consequences. It was a horrible, despicable crime, especially by a Chief Executive, and he should never see the light of day again.

[OnDoutside]

3. Impeachment is one for the base, and will be done this week.

McConnell has said he would run out the clock on taking up those Articles of Impeachment, so it would mean that Democrats would have to spend their time in the new session, in the midst of a Pandemic, with millions of Americans hurting.

Yes we all want to see him in an orange jumpsuit but I also want to see the GOP destroyed, and better to see them suffer from a 1000 cuts slowly, strengthening Dems chances in future elections which will do far more good for the American people.

[LuvNewcastle]

7. I don't have a problem with impeaching him, but like you say,

I really would like the new term to start out with a fresh agenda without the drama of a Senate trial. The best option right now is to use the 25th on him, but I doubt if Mike Pence will do what needs to be done. I do want him arrested as soon as Biden takes the oath, though, and I want him held without bail on throughout the trial. Impeachment is fine as long as we don't harp on it after the inauguration. After Biden takes office, Trumpy's fate should be left up to the courts.

[OnDoutside]

10. I completely understand people wanting justice, but my fear is that we cannot allow the GOP to

walk away, and if Trump were removed quickly from running again, they would re-invent themselves (we've already seen scum like Rubio call for healing !)

Yes, Trump's fate being up to the courts is where I'm at too.

I said in a post elsewhere that Pence wants to be President, while Trump wants a pardon, so there's a deal to be done. I think that's the direction this will go, which suits the Democratic Party and Joe Biden, perfectly.

[JonLP24]

5. I don't want to take the chance of Trump winning again

Trump has a cult following so I'm not confident him running will help Democrats. I also hated how Trump was a choice and one of the biggest reasons why I voted for the Democrat was to get Trump out of office. I don't want that choice forced on me again. Trump represents everything I hate in the Republican Party and the last 4 years have been a nightmare.

I just hope he his indicted for the numerous crimes he committed under his Presidency.

[OnDoutside]

11. I understand completely, but a lot of what happens now will not be in the control of the Democratic

Party. Yes, Impeach him now, start an investigation immediately (vote new emergency powers to a Special Counsel if required), and then bring all that before the Senate, in 3/4 months time once the Pandemic is under control and the Vaccination Program is well advanced. Stop the bleeding and apply the cure, as it were.

[Clearly fogged in]

6. As long as we resist the temptation of giving his name recognition

Good or bad, famous or infamous, it doesn't matter. the things we say as coined expressions, going to the john, seward's folly, and custer's last stand are part of our language. I never want to hear that name again once the dust settles.

[OnDoutside]

13. Do you notice his Twitter silence is helping already ?

[Clearly fogged in]

17. Yes

It would suit me to see history remember this more like the end of 50 years of Republican policy, death and destruction so-to-speak. Their half century of misery ending with the insurrection of 2021, rather than seeing an individual name becoming their martyr or a scapegoat.

[OnDoutside]

18. Absolutely, and you just know that's what they'd do.

[procon]

8. They already blame Democrats for all their whiny grievances.

At least getting Trump off the ballot is a monumental protection for our battered and bruised democracy, not to mention he won't hold a seat of power ever again. They can go right ahead and blame us for pulling his teeth and emasculating their precious Dear Leader, and that's a charge I'll gladly cheer for.

[OnDoutside]

12. Even though it helps the GOP escape responsibility, and put forward a clever Trump in the future ?

[procon]

16. Republicans have made shirking responsibility an art form.

They will continue to tapdance away from any responsibility and wrap themselves in victimhood just as they always have. Nothing is going to change That.

Trump is hamstrung without his social media foghorn. Impeached, losing any right to hold political office, he becomes a fading paper tiger. Yeah, Trump will whine, threaten, bully and screech, just as he always has, but he will have no power or authority to initiate any meaningful difference.

[OnDoutside]

20. In an ideal world I agree, that would be the best thing, however, while the Dems can impeach him

in the House, he's unlikely to be convicted in the Senate, not least because threats Repug Senators will be under from Trumper loons. So say Democrats push it all the way to a Senate vote and fall short of a conviction, they will have wasted a lot of political capital doing so. What Clyburne and Pelosi are saying is that let's deal with the Pandemic and other Biden priorities in the first 100 days, then we can turn our attention to Trump, having had a proper investigation into his activities in the meantime. Personally, it would suit the GOP if Trump as barred from running again, but we'll see on that.

[Buckeyeblue]

9. I think the focus should be on the 25th amendment and then indictment

I think dragging Trump impeachment trial into the Biden presidency hurts Biden. Biden needs to use all of his political capital on getting some of his agenda passed while getting the country through the pandemic.

Let the DOJ and New York deal with Trump (and his family).

[OnDoutside]

14. Yes, the DOJ and State AGs will deal with the Trump Crime family.

[JHB]

15. Nope, sorry Tom, but real action needs to be taken

They're going to whine about how "repressed" they are anyway, so there is no tangible benefit to "not playing into their hands."

An it would carry with it a tangible drawback of "playing into the hands" of "Democrats can't/won't fight" narratives.

Stop trying to play 30-dimensional chess and just treat them like the bad guys they are. Hold them accountable.

It's that simple.

[OnDoutside]

19. And how would you hold them accountable ?