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catbyte

(38,625 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:08 AM Jan 2021

David Cay Johnston: Make no mistake: Trump's insurrectionists were there to kill Pence, Pelosi --

Make no mistake: Trump's insurrectionists were there to kill Pence, Pelosi -- or whoever they could find

January 11, 2021


The mob Donald Trump sent to sack the Capitol on Jan. 6 intended to assassinate Vice President Mike Pence, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others, admissions by some of those captured, as well as photographs, videos, texts and tweets show.

The attackers came with a gallows and noose, ready to seize Pence, Pelosi and other lawmakers, police and journalists, among others. "Murder the Media" was scratched on a door.

Once the mob overwhelmed police and broke into the Capitol, pro-Trump lawyer L. Lin Wood, sent this inflammatory tweet on the insurrectionist Parler site:

"Get the firing squads ready. Pence goes FIRST."


Had Trump's mob proved competent to capture and murder our lawmakers, it would have given Trump cover to suspend habeas corpus. That would have allowed him to lock up his perceived enemies while ignoring their right of access to the courts, lawyers or anyone else.

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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-insurrectionists-2649871299/
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David Cay Johnston: Make no mistake: Trump's insurrectionists were there to kill Pence, Pelosi -- (Original Post) catbyte Jan 2021 OP
Who? brooklynite Jan 2021 #1
Investigative Journalist who won a Pulitzer in 2001. sheshe2 Jan 2021 #17
Member of DU. Gave great interview on Democracy Now in 2016 re tRump. He's right. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #64
Yes he is right... sheshe2 Jan 2021 #72
Chronicled Trump-Mafia ties before 2016 election. Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #24
David is outstanding. H2O Man Jan 2021 #69
Has written many books on bdamomma Jan 2021 #27
and corporate con job(s) as well. yonder Jan 2021 #51
Here are Wiki and Google and other links... NurseJackie Jan 2021 #35
Sad question right there. mountain grammy Jan 2021 #36
For some reason I thought of this: klook Jan 2021 #40
Pulitzer Prize winner TwilightZone Jan 2021 #63
+1 sheshe2 Jan 2021 #73
They got the message loud and clear dalton99a Jan 2021 #2
Somewhat off topic question: Since when does Twitter do "echoed by"? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2021 #76
Why is Lin Wood not in jail? catrose Jan 2021 #3
Good question n/t Strelnikov_ Jan 2021 #16
A VERY good question. calimary Jan 2021 #28
What i heard on msnbc is they need to build a case & onetexan Jan 2021 #42
How built does their case need to be? If you or I tweeted about firing squads & the VP, wouldn't the catrose Jan 2021 #65
i'm not a lawyer so i couldn't tell you. I trust that the pundits who are from legal backgrounds onetexan Jan 2021 #67
No doubt. Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #4
That was my initial thought when i saw the menacing crowd gather the day before and it turned out to onetexan Jan 2021 #54
We're gonna need all the help we can get Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #66
Using a mob as a screen didn't work out for the operatives IMHO. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2021 #5
+1 2naSalit Jan 2021 #8
Let that sink in malaise Jan 2021 #6
This path to dictatorship required planning far beyond Killakon Donnie's ability. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #10
Da. Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #22
Well that's one photograph that sums it all up. calimary Jan 2021 #32
I hear you! dchill Jan 2021 #43
These two pictures always encapsulated everything wrong with that thing who is catbyte Jan 2021 #45
POMPEO. If they killed Pence, Pelosi, and Grassley on the 6th. Pompeo would be next in line. Captain Zero Jan 2021 #39
Security is at H2O Man Jan 2021 #70
I think Pence has already refused trump a pardon, duforsure Jan 2021 #7
Why the fuck won't Pence do the 25th? It's life or death for him! lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #11
Because he doesn't have teh Cabinet votes obamanut2012 Jan 2021 #15
Fair point. All the less-insane cabinet members have quit. lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #19
If that is true then We need to get the Media to shine the light on those vermin. Tommymac Jan 2021 #38
There's wiggle room in the 25th... Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #49
NANcy probably is exploring it. I'm sure they have legal teams looking at every possible option. Amaryllis Jan 2021 #71
Fear and cowardice. I think if Pence told the Cabinet it needed to be done, they'd go along. catbyte Jan 2021 #50
Pence can't issue a pardon to Trump. LisaL Jan 2021 #18
I assume that would be the hypothetical deal (Nixon-Ford type bargain). lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #20
After trump resigned he could, which is what I was getting at. trump likely would ask him duforsure Jan 2021 #23
But Trump won't resign. Ever. LisaL Jan 2021 #33
oRange anu$ will pardon itself preemptively & expects "its" SC will uphold Lock him up. Jan 2021 #30
With impeachment active in the House, Trump's pardoning power is severed. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2021 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author duforsure Jan 2021 #9
Let me add Legislators of Color to their list. CaptYossarian Jan 2021 #12
If Lin Wood still has a law license a week from now, there is no justice. (nt) Paladin Jan 2021 #13
What would happen to a Muslim man who openly called for Pence's assassination? Orrex Jan 2021 #31
Suits me. The sooner the better. (nt) Paladin Jan 2021 #41
THIS cab67 Jan 2021 #62
... 2naSalit Jan 2021 #14
This! triron Jan 2021 #21
Would suspend habeas corpus and install martial law. colorado_ufo Jan 2021 #25
I don't believe they could have gotten anywhere near Pence Renew Deal Jan 2021 #26
Anyone left supporting Trump is a traitor.. Jon King Jan 2021 #29
Agreed. It's a yes or no answer. NO wiggle room on this one. calimary Jan 2021 #37
Yes. And. POMPEO is in on ALL THIS. He is behind Grassley in the line of Succession. Captain Zero Jan 2021 #34
Indeed FakeNoose Jan 2021 #57
never will doubt llashram Jan 2021 #44
Yes, but. They are "terrorists" not "insurrectionists". Domestic terrorists. Messaging matters. n/t TygrBright Jan 2021 #46
Yes, big problem. TryLogic Jan 2021 #58
They are terrorist co-conspirators and enablers. n/t TygrBright Jan 2021 #75
Take down the name of every Red Hat wearer. safeinOhio Jan 2021 #47
Small point, but here it is FakeNoose Jan 2021 #48
I just posted on another thread that Christopher Wray just announced there are alot of agitators onetexan Jan 2021 #53
Thanks friend - we need to keep alert FakeNoose Jan 2021 #56
That is the scary part moose65 Jan 2021 #59
Yep the FBI are tracking them through their cellphones FakeNoose Jan 2021 #68
And these are the people who fear the "chip" moose65 Jan 2021 #74
Before President Biden takes his hand off the Bible dobleremolque Jan 2021 #55
Has Wood been arrested? cab67 Jan 2021 #60
As a small aside...Lin Wood is the next to be in the crosshairs. Clearly. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #61

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
35. Here are Wiki and Google and other links...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jan 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cay_Johnston
David Cay Boyle Johnston (born December 24, 1948)[1] is an American investigative journalist and author, a specialist in economics and tax issues, and winner of the 2001 Pulitzer Prize for Beat Reporting.

From 2009 to 2016 he was a Distinguished Visiting Lecturer who taught the tax, property, and regulatory law of the ancient world at Syracuse University College of Law and the Whitman School of Management.[citation needed] From July 2011 until September 2012 he was a columnist for Reuters, writing, and producing video commentaries, on worldwide issues of tax, accounting, economics, public finance and business. Johnston is the board president of Investigative Reporters and Editors.[2] He has also written for Al Jazeera English and America in recent years.


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TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
63. Pulitzer Prize winner
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:10 PM
Jan 2021

And you are?

You keep doing this. It's a really curious thing to do for someone who name-drops people no one else has ever heard rather frequently.

There's a world outside your social circle. Check it out sometime.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,480 posts)
76. Somewhat off topic question: Since when does Twitter do "echoed by"?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 09:14 PM
Jan 2021

I've been in Twitter Jail for a few months, so I guess I missed it?

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
42. What i heard on msnbc is they need to build a case &
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:53 AM
Jan 2021

In the coming weeks & months as more info is gathered& investigations complete there w be alot more arrests

catrose

(5,333 posts)
65. How built does their case need to be? If you or I tweeted about firing squads & the VP, wouldn't the
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:13 PM
Jan 2021

FBI be knocking on our doors post haste dispatch? Meanwhile, he's free to do more.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
67. i'm not a lawyer so i couldn't tell you. I trust that the pundits who are from legal backgrounds
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:22 PM
Jan 2021

are commenting on the case as they understand the process that needs to be followed.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
54. That was my initial thought when i saw the menacing crowd gather the day before and it turned out to
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:42 PM
Jan 2021

be true - they're out for blood & the whole point was to take out the entire Congress to make the Con a dictator. Dear God Almighty help us make it safe through this week.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
66. We're gonna need all the help we can get
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:17 PM
Jan 2021

To get these nuts put in prison, so they can not damage this country anymore than they already have.

malaise

(292,547 posts)
6. Let that sink in
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:21 AM
Jan 2021

The President of the United States sent his goons into the Congressional buildings to assassinate his own WP the Speaker of the House and anyone else who was in the way.

By the way I hope the Obama family has additional security - the racist in chief and his goons must be taken seriously.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
10. This path to dictatorship required planning far beyond Killakon Donnie's ability.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:27 AM
Jan 2021

Dumbass couldn't even spell habeas corpus, much less figure out how to use it to lock up his enemies.

Putin to Bannon or Miller or Melania to Dumbass?

calimary

(88,989 posts)
32. Well that's one photograph that sums it all up.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:30 AM
Jan 2021

Russia LITERALLY STANDING BEHIND AND BESIDE HIM. INTHE OVAL OFFICE!!!!!!!!!

A picture that s worth a thousand treasons.

No I’m not yelling. I’m fucking SCREAMING!!!!!

catbyte

(38,625 posts)
45. These two pictures always encapsulated everything wrong with that thing who is
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:29 PM
Jan 2021

still infesting the White House. A misogynistic, antidemocratic, dictator wannabe.

Captain Zero

(8,729 posts)
39. POMPEO. If they killed Pence, Pelosi, and Grassley on the 6th. Pompeo would be next in line.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:45 AM
Jan 2021

Pompeo is in on parts of the planning. Has to be. Cui Bono.

H2O Man

(78,588 posts)
70. Security is at
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:27 PM
Jan 2021

an all-time high. I recognize that sounds odd in the face of recent events. But personal/family security is now at an all-time high. This is due not only to the significant rise in threats, but also as a result of law enforcement/ intelligence's monitoring the communications of numerous groups.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. I think Pence has already refused trump a pardon,
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Jan 2021

And why he needed him murdered, and he fears Nancy, and that he's scared she knows too much already on him. I agree this was a act carried out to murder them, then trump could use his position to escape justice, and move closer to absolute power.

obamanut2012

(29,155 posts)
15. Because he doesn't have teh Cabinet votes
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:35 AM
Jan 2021

He has leaked that info out, and I believe he doesn't.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
19. Fair point. All the less-insane cabinet members have quit.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jan 2021

Though "less-insane" is a pretty generous description for the likes of Cruella DeVos.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
49. There's wiggle room in the 25th...
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

For the Cabinet involvement to be circumvented through the House appointing "another body" to ascertain whether Trump is incapable of exercising his oath of office. THAT needs to be explored immediately.

Amaryllis

(10,957 posts)
71. NANcy probably is exploring it. I'm sure they have legal teams looking at every possible option.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:36 PM
Jan 2021

catbyte

(38,625 posts)
50. Fear and cowardice. I think if Pence told the Cabinet it needed to be done, they'd go along.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

But he's still afraid of Mango Mussolini and I'll bet he's scared shitless of The Mob that he unleashed. Hell, they tried to kill him just for following the Constitution. What sort of fatwa would they issue if he actually booted him out of the White House? Former Vice Presidents don't get Secret Service protection like former Presidents do. He'd be looking over his shoulder for years.

LisaL

(47,345 posts)
18. Pence can't issue a pardon to Trump.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jan 2021

Pence is a VP and can't issue pardons. No way Trump would resign for Pence to become president.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
23. After trump resigned he could, which is what I was getting at. trump likely would ask him
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

Before , and I think he may have, and Pence may have refused to do it for him.

Lock him up.

(9,332 posts)
30. oRange anu$ will pardon itself preemptively & expects "its" SC will uphold
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:26 AM
Jan 2021
That's why it is so important to expand the number up to 13... before any challenge gets there.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,604 posts)
52. With impeachment active in the House, Trump's pardoning power is severed.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:38 PM
Jan 2021

That's how I'm reading the Constitution. Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

Response to catbyte (Original post)

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
12. Let me add Legislators of Color to their list.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 10:29 AM
Jan 2021

Even Tim Scott. They wouldn't care. They were just blind piranhas looking for any taste of flesh and blood--just like the cannibals they say we are.

Now Sunday, more of them will be armed. (Whose crutch were they using on that door?)

Orrex

(66,656 posts)
31. What would happen to a Muslim man who openly called for Pence's assassination?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:28 AM
Jan 2021

That's what should happen to Wood.

Renew Deal

(84,688 posts)
26. I don't believe they could have gotten anywhere near Pence
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:12 AM
Jan 2021

I think the Secret Service would have fought to the death on that one.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
29. Anyone left supporting Trump is a traitor..
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:21 AM
Jan 2021

Its that simple. Lets stop pretending. The Dems won the Congress and Presidency. Enough about reaching across the aisle. There is one political party left in America. Govern well and it America elects more Republicans the country is done anyway.

The Dems need to govern the best they can and the US voters will decide. Quit even trying to placate Republicans.

Captain Zero

(8,729 posts)
34. Yes. And. POMPEO is in on ALL THIS. He is behind Grassley in the line of Succession.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 11:38 AM
Jan 2021
He has been a huge enabler of Trump all along.
Mark it here. POMPEO has to be dealt with as a THREAT to Democracy.

FakeNoose

(40,104 posts)
57. Indeed
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jan 2021

He's in on the plot. Complicit all the way.
And here we thought Bill Barr was calling the shots.
It's been Pompeo all along. The FBI will be knocking soon.


TygrBright

(21,295 posts)
46. Yes, but. They are "terrorists" not "insurrectionists". Domestic terrorists. Messaging matters. n/t
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:33 PM
Jan 2021

TryLogic

(2,272 posts)
58. Yes, big problem.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:59 PM
Jan 2021

I suspect there was actually a mix - a mob of terrorists and groups of insurrectionists.

Insiders who aided are clearly insurrectionists.

safeinOhio

(36,913 posts)
47. Take down the name of every Red Hat wearer.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jan 2021

Give them to Bidin so he can send troops to take away their guns and close down the church they go to. After all, that's what they said he'd do.
Now it does sound like a great idea.

FakeNoose

(40,104 posts)
48. Small point, but here it is
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:35 PM
Jan 2021

There was a core group of assassins hidden among the mob of rioters on Wednesday - and their intention was to kill Pence and Pelosi. They used the mob, the violence, & the craziness as a cover to distract police so they could carry out the dirty deed.

Most of the mob didn't know they were being used this way, they were just a brainless mob. Insurrection and disruption was their intention, not murder. At least some of them were there for the selfies and cosplay.

Another group had a separate plan to grab the electoral college votes and carry them off and burn them. However that plan was thwarted by a few Congressional aides who grabbed the containers of documents and brought them to a safe place. Many of the insurrectionists had no plan at all because they're idiots.

A lot of people will be arrested and charged, but very few of them knew anything about the assassination plot. Here's hoping the FBI can sort out the hardcore assassins from the selfie cosplay idiots.


onetexan

(13,913 posts)
53. I just posted on another thread that Christopher Wray just announced there are alot of agitators
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jan 2021

looking to take advantage of the situation and making it much worse, and that CNN has a chiron that the Pentagon expects 10K National Guard troops in DC by Saturday.

moose65

(3,439 posts)
59. That is the scary part
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:59 PM
Jan 2021

On the one hand, we had the crazy cosplayers who were shitting on the floor and taking pictures of themselves in Congressional offices. They were a DISTRACTION, though, so we would laugh at all those loons. There were also pictures of people whose faces were covered and who had the flex-ties. They were the real danger.

Whew. Next Wednesday can't get here soon enough!

FakeNoose

(40,104 posts)
68. Yep the FBI are tracking them through their cellphones
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:22 PM
Jan 2021

Luckily almost all of them were carrying phones with them last Wednesday. The Feds are able to ID them with names and addresses, and use GPS to place them at the scene. How nifty!

As an added bonus, their cellphone IDs allowed Homeland Security to put them on the no fly list almost immediately. It didn't affect the ones who came in by bus, but the ones who flew into Washington couldn't get out. They were stuck at the airport.

Hopefully a lot of them will be locked up before next Wednesday.

moose65

(3,439 posts)
74. And these are the people who fear the "chip"
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 03:17 PM
Jan 2021

Many of these same people are the ones who go on and on about Bill Gates slipping a chip into the Covid 19 vaccine, so that "they" can track us, while at the same time they carry around a device that's already capable of tracking their every move.

This shit is hilarious and at the same time terrifying.

dobleremolque

(1,093 posts)
55. Before President Biden takes his hand off the Bible
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 12:42 PM
Jan 2021

at his swearing in ceremony, the Senate should be in session to confirm Merrick Garland as Attorney General, and the printed indictments against the seditionist, insurrectionists should be waiting in his limousine for him to sign during his drive to his new office in the Justice Department building.

cab67

(3,627 posts)
60. Has Wood been arrested?
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:05 PM
Jan 2021

He should be. If there's a picture next to the definition of "terroristic threat" in the dictionary, it would be a screen capture of his Parler post.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,169 posts)
61. As a small aside...Lin Wood is the next to be in the crosshairs. Clearly.
Mon Jan 11, 2021, 01:06 PM
Jan 2021

He is a terrible lawyer anyway, by all appearances, and there is not a shred of doubt that he is a TERRIBLE human being.

He would never take my advice, but pro se is NOT the way to go here. He'll plea bargain himself into life without parole, then claim a Win.

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