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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNBC: Pro-Trump Capitol rioters like the 'QAnon Shaman' looked ridiculous -- by design
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1254010When we interpret the T-shirts and symbols, especially given the history of groups like the Ku Klux Klan, the Capitol insurrectionists look a lot more menacing.
The fact that many of the outfits from the Capitol look comical is, historically, not a coincidence.
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When the Ku Klux Klan started in the mid-1860s, Klansmen did not wear the white hoods and robes we imagine them in now. They had no uniform. As historian Elaine Frantz explains in her essay "Midnight Rangers: Costume and Performance in the Reconstruction-Era Ku Klux Klan," the early Klansmen wore something far more similar to the hodgepodge we saw on display at the Capitol last week: animal horns, fur, fake beards, homemade costumes that drew on traditions of carnival or Mardi Gras, masks, pointy hats, polka dots. For Frantz, who also wrote a book about the birth of the KKK, the parallels between the appearance of 19th century Klansmen and the Jan. 6 rioters were impossible to ignore.
"When I looked at this weirdo who was dressed as a Viking, I was like, 'Does he know what he's doing?'" Frantz tells NBC THINK about Angeli. "Is he aware of this tradition, or is it a coincidence? Or is it not just a coincidence and he's not aware, but it's something which travels through our culture in the background? Maybe he doesn't even know what he's doing, but he's doing exactly what he would have done in the 19th century."
Much more at link. Very interesting read which shows how invested these racist traitors are in their radacilized factions!
Like street gangs with their symbolism, in-group / out-group focus & radical agenda!
I am still gob smacked by these costumes and the fact that a prevailing theme was to take pictures / selfies & publicly brag about their illegal actions.
Someone must have assured them they would "win" and that they would not be prosecuted.
LunaSea
(2,893 posts)Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)Wonder what that means.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)This reminds me of an argument I used to make when discussing multitasking at work. Yes, we can all do some tasks somewhat simultaneously, but when you try to focus on two or more big tasks at once, they all suffer. Its one of the reasons states have passed laws barring texting and drivingtoo many accidents.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)pazzyanne
(6,551 posts)Sorry, I find humor is harder for me to appreciate the last few days.
Maraya1969
(22,479 posts)were told to count the white passes. That's much worse than losing count.
I know it's a bad joke. And things go over my head all the time.
rainin
(3,011 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I remember laughing out loud when the presenter said a gorilla had walked through the room. Then I was convinced that he switched videos. But nope. It's a fascinating psychological demonstration.
malaise
(268,968 posts)The best part is that Trump actually thought he was going to win and turned out to be a big time LOSER yet again
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)They believed that to the point that they live streamed it and provided running commentaries, videos and still photos.
wnylib
(21,446 posts)and pardon them. They expected their coup to work and to be invulnerable to prosecution.
malaise
(268,968 posts)The lunatic is delusional on steroids
wnylib
(21,446 posts)words, just posted on video at the gov website? He calls for all demonstrators on the 20th to avoid any form of violence and to maintain order.
I think the words are meant to cover his a$$ after seeing the consequences of the coup to him from businesses and the impeachment.
He only spoke out against violence this time around AFTER the impeachment started and AFTER he was cut from Twitter, Facebook, Wall Street, Deutsche Bank, etc.
Whatever the motivation to call for peace, it will have no effect on the militia mobs and he knows it. It is a statement to hide behind after the damage is done. "I told them to be peaceful. It's the media's fault because I didn't have access to Twitter to get the message out."
He is afraid of the consequences now that he knows it will fail. It will be messy. There will be violence. But it will fail.
malaise
(268,968 posts)Way too late. It wasn't merely his speech that incited those people. He was a major part of the planning team.
He should die in a prison dungeon if he doesn't kill himself first.
First he tried to use military aid to destroy Biden (Ukraine) - he was impeached for that
then he started whipping up his fellow white supremacists - proud boys etc., shouting that the police and army were with him.
Then he tried to use his AG and other Cabinet members to destroy Biden - lock him up
Then he started screaming that if he lost it was rigged - he lost
Then he threatened state officials to change the results to give him victory
Then he attacked the Judiciary at every level for not giving him the victory he wanted
The he told ReTHUGs including his VP to overturn the Electoral College results but he wasn't sure how that would go so he and his goons organized this seditious act to overthrow the Legislative branch leading to deaths and injuries. They went there to kill our Speaker, his VP. They went there to loot, plunder and vandalize the US Congress. So he has been impeached again.
He is a fucking criminal who deserves nothing less than prison. And never forget the silence from his enablers along the way.
Evil is too good a word for this monster.
wnylib
(21,446 posts)Almost enough to convert a person to belief in reincarnation.
Adolf Hitler -- died 4/30/45
Donald Trump -- born 6/14/46
localroger
(3,626 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,624 posts)be celebrated as heroes.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)peacebuzzard
(5,170 posts)interesting historical reference.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Harker
(14,015 posts)costumes weren't looking past the fascist rally, while those in helmets and body armor were.
It'll be educational when the details become more fully understood.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Run of the mill magats were, I believe, a smoke screen for more sinister groups.
Harker
(14,015 posts)Soft outer with a hard core.
SledDriver
(2,059 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)KayF
(1,345 posts)I heard a talk radio guy make this point, is it really an insurrection if they're dressed in furs?
littlemissmartypants
(22,651 posts)arlyellowdog
(866 posts)TomVilmer
(1,832 posts)Sioux buffalo horned headdress. Only warriors of certain clans who had accomplished specific deeds wore bison horns. And really spaced out Trumpists - hopefully the Q Shaman meets some real Indian braves someday!
apnu
(8,756 posts)Neo-Nazis have long appropriated Viking symbiology. Angeli is also appropriating Native American symbols, that hat, the pants, the spear, and adding it to his racist mashup.
apnu
(8,756 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Their behavior is so out there, I'm trying to wrap my head around aspects of it.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)0:33
Harker
(14,015 posts)Any other guy.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)read to be copying history. They all have ideas about what is "cool" or "scary" or "tough looking".
I do agree with SheltieLover that the mob consisted of different groups. John Scott-Railton, the Toronto researcher was on MSNBC and described 3 different groups: real terrorists who came equipped for battle, wanna-bes (probably the people in costume) and riot tourists (for lack of a better word), people who just went along to watch or be part of the crowd.
A guest on MSNBC last night made a really good point that the white supremacists/neo-nazis used Trump to advance their own goals more than he used them.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Also terrorists & likely armed, but with a different sinister mission.
Creepy concept that they used dump more than he used them! True, I'm sure!
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)nt
ancianita
(36,053 posts)that a racist convergence is also going on.
Like Star Trek or Comicon participants, they dress in tribute to their favorite character
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)And the apparent desire to be on tee vee. (Another human ambition I truly do not understand, just for the sake of it.)
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)It's a Halloweeny way to feel more powerful and invincible - hence all the military regalia. And escape their pathetic reality in a rebellious ubermenschish delusion.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Same reason many drive huge pick ups.
C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)There's so much inadequacy inside their rage, Freud would have a field day.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,233 posts)The "Q-shaman" reportedly acts out in his own neighbourhood. His appearance is as much a mish-mash as the ideas he spouts. I think its main aim is to seek attention. Which he's achieved.
I think the more important point is that the more ridiculous-seeming participants give a veneer of eccentric harmlessness that distracts from those in the insurrection who went to the Capitol with plans and tooled up. We point and laugh at the spectacle, and don't necessarily notice, at least at the time, those who are less eccentrically dressed but have more serious intent.
For anyone who has been active in organizing non-violent demonstrations and civil disobedience campaigns, this will not be a new argument. One justification for state surveillance, definitely pre-dating the digital age, has been that our activities could be infiltrated or used to provide cover for and distract from those with violent intent.
Harker
(14,015 posts)The guy with the rainbow fright wig and the "John 3:16" sign behind home plate...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollen_Stewart
Barrel Man...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_Man_(Denver_Broncos)
David__77
(23,372 posts)Or something like that. The Nazis also struck many as cartoonish.
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,463 posts)And saw the gorilla.