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One big mystery remains unsolved: Why was the Capitol left unguarded?
The Capitol Police have more than 2,000 officers and a $500 million budget. Who prevented them from stopping this?
By DAN FROOMKIN
JANUARY 15, 2021 11:00AM
(Salon) There is so much going on these days. But what I keep coming back to is that if the Capitol Police had been anything close to properly mobilized, none of it would have happened.
There would have been a protest on January 6, not an insurrection. Five people wouldn't be dead. Members of Congress and Capitol staff wouldn't have been terrorized. Donald Trump wouldn't be impeached.
All but for a still inexplicable decision made by who-knows-who.
Because we still don't know how it was allowed to happen.
....(snip)....
Speaks to motive
I have tried to consider the possibility that it was just gross incompetence. But no one could really be that incompetent.
So at this point, in the absence of any other plausible explanations, it is more than reasonable to assume that the people making decisions about Capitol Police deployment that day felt kinship with the Trump mob, and either were too racist to see the threat posed by Trump supporters or looked the other way on purpose. .............(more)
https://www.salon.com/2021/01/15/one-big-mystery-remains-unsolved-why-was-the-capitol-left-unguarded/
malaise
(295,479 posts)and they will all be exposed.
And when the truth and information comes out, it will be shocking and horrific and I believe show this was planned and deliberate and aided and abetted by the Executive Branch.
malaise
(295,479 posts)Right and it wll be so shocking that impeachment and removal will look tame
Pachamama
(17,559 posts)He will be so grateful he doesn't fall under the Military Uniformed Code of Justice for Sedition and Treason and Insurrection
Impeachment and removal is tame to what he deserves and earned.
malaise
(295,479 posts)I will go to my grave asking that question.
Evolve Dammit
(21,749 posts)Jetheels
(991 posts)He had years of experience in front of a camera on The Apprentice.
Years of expertise controlling the narrative with birtherism on social media.
And the groundwork of racism, homophobia, and other isms and phobias had been laid for decades by Fox News, breitbart, funding from billionaires- Mercers, Kochs, Adelson, religious organizations, etc.
I think humans just make no sense a lot of the time.
We live in so many realities at a time. No other animal get lost in books, movies, the past, the future, invent things that dont exist.....so reality is kind of tenuous. He understands that reality can be manipulated, invented. Why he will never concede or admit failure or wrongdoing.
malaise
(295,479 posts)Jetheels
(991 posts)malaise
(295,479 posts)For example I just read that Speaker Pelosi is bringing in Honore to review security
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214931796
Sure he'll understand the logistical operations but he's too old to understand the cyber part of this new reality.
There are things that are beyond my generation.
kiri
(966 posts)The Capitol police did not expect a march!
See:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214930521
https://www.gregpalast.com/insider-white-house-warned-march-was-illegal/
He is lawless and shameless
dianaredwing
(406 posts)This makes the most sense of anything I have read. Obviously it was an enormous shit show that got worse as everyone tried to evade blame, but those of us who follow rules, such as getting a permit to march, never think that others don't. No one would have suspected that these idiots did not have a permit. Everyone has to get a permit. And, there is probably not just one person involved in the permit process so everyone thinks someone else did it. By the time anyone knew what was happening it was so far out of control that there couldn't be a coordinated response. The whole thing is even better than doing it by the rules, at least if you don't get caught.
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)malaise
(295,479 posts)but I guess it's Ride Natty Ride
Tommymac
(7,334 posts)And he's got to fulfill that mission
To see his hurt is their greatest ambition, yeah!
But we will survive in this world of competition
'Cause no matter what they do
Natty keep on comin' through
And no matter what they say
Natty do them every day, yeah!
Natty dread rides again
Through the mystics of tomorrow
Natty dread rides again
Have no fear, have no sorrow, yeah!
All and all you see a-gwan
Is to fight against Rastaman
So they build their world in great confusion
To force on us the devil's illusion
But the stone that the builder refuse
Shall be the head cornerstone
And no matter what game they play
We got something they could never take away
We got something they could never take away
And it's the fire (fire), it's the fire (fire)
That's burning down everything
Feel that fire (fire), the fire (fire)
Only the birds have their wings, yeah!
No time to be deceived
Oh, brothers, you should know and not believe
Jah say this judgement, it could never be with water
No water could put out this fire (fire)
This fire (fire), this fire (fire)
This fire (fire), a yaga y'all! ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, go there,
'Cause now the fire is out of control
Panic in the city, wicked weeping for their gold!
Everywhere this fire is burning,
Destroying and melting their gold,
Destroying and wasting their souls
Go ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, go there!
Tell you what now the people gather on the beach
And the leader try to make a speech
But the dreadies understandin' that it's too late
Fire is burning
Man, pull your own weight!
Fire is burning
Man, pull your own weight!
Natty dread rides again (natty dread rides again)
And me say, go there, dready! Go there! (go there, go there)
Oh ride, natty, ride! (dread rides again)
And go there, dready! (go there, go there)
Ridin' through the storm,
Riding through the calm (go there, go there)
Oh ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, go there!
Ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, do there!
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bob Marley
Ride Natty Ride lyrics © Kobalt Music Publishing Ltd., Universal Music Publishing Group
I know my Marley
dalton99a
(93,910 posts)
Wednesdays
(22,447 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
marble falls
(71,729 posts)groundloop
(13,784 posts)And there's only one answer to that question - Benedict Donald
Demovictory9
(37,113 posts)in the presence of the president? When president's come to town, the crowd is searched upon entry to event
appalachiablue
(43,969 posts)BusyBeingBest
(9,173 posts)backpacks, or were those grabbed or distributed from private vehicles afterward? Need to look at rally photos to see what the crowd had. If this was the first time these items were allowed in a Trump event, then they've got some explaining to do.
BusyBeingBest
(9,173 posts)The people who showed up with mace, weapons, tactical gear, etc. The oath keeper/proud boy types. Maybe they just joined the crowd after the rally.
mtngirl47
(1,240 posts)and went to get their backpacks and weapons (also known as flagpoles) before they headed to the Capitol.
Sorry---can't find a link.
Lil Mushakan
(19 posts)I know many outlets were reporting interviews with some of the terrorists and they were being told that the insurrectionists were leaving the march, going to their cars, and returning with weapons.
Squinch
(59,354 posts)hot2na
(455 posts)Been impeached two times.
question everything
(52,056 posts)MineralMan
(151,135 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)davekriss
(5,402 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(12,595 posts)Cock Ups Happen on Purpose.
My take on that debate.
niyad
(131,927 posts)davekriss
(5,402 posts)Ive always thought GWB LIHOP. Now we have a Trump and/or DC administration LIHOP.
tanyev
(49,172 posts)kentuck
(115,379 posts)I think there was plenty of intelligence that the danger was there. They were not prepared. There was a lack of imagination, just like 9/11. They had no strategy to deal with it. They chose not to use lethal force once they made it to the Capitol steps.
I think there was an epic failure of security but I'm not sure that it was because it was unguarded?
exboyfil
(18,357 posts)With some of the guards being Quislings. Given an officer died, I got to imagine those Quislings aren't to popular right now.
groundloop
(13,784 posts)It's pretty damned horrific to think that this attempted coup was planned, but some of the news that I've read seems to support that supposition.
One thing that stands out is an interview with a Capitol Police officer who works the night shift. He said he was fully expecting to be working overtime that day, yet was told not to come in. Also there's the National Guard assistance that was initially refused. It all might just be a bad coincidence, but it sure doesn't smell like it.
Demsrule86
(71,541 posts)They told the DC policy there would be no march and the DC police and capitol police were not prepared.
exboyfil
(18,357 posts)Assuming it is true. It came from a freelance journalist Greg Palast so I don't know if the story has been vetted in any way.
Cbus Girl
(32 posts)And thought it sounded like they were floating that out there to see if it would stick.
exboyfil
(18,357 posts)of Congress critters said "I wish I had retired last week".
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Not only decisions about the Capitol Police, but the National Guard and other available reinforcements such as Metropolitan Police Department. The lack of reinforcements was no accident, and we already know that Trump specifically blocked the National Guard. That needs to be loudly emphasized in his impeachment trial (and in subsequent criminal trials).
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)mshasta
(2,108 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(61,827 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,749 posts)justgamma
(3,693 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,749 posts)Turin_C3PO
(16,385 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,749 posts)Wawannabe
(6,889 posts)But we know who...just hasnt been outted yet.
...and may not be...well, because, money/power/money
bucolic_frolic
(54,909 posts)and they would have needed to use rubber bullets.
I don't think the officers and especially their superiors were specialists in tactical riot control methods.
These guys encounter tourists and constituents on a daily basis.
I suppose at some point someone important will be asked why they didn't use, except for the one death, deadly force, or at least live ammo.
They were overwhelmed by numbers. All that would have done is escalate a situation they already couldn't control.
CryptoGod
(11 posts)Most likely an inside job by republicans.
LittleGirl
(8,999 posts)That one of the congress members thought the security that day seemed like weekend coverage and not a day when the electoral votes and rally would occur. I truly believe that they minimized security on purpose that day.
niyad
(131,927 posts)assistance were repeatedly turned down as unnecessary. We know who, we know how, generally. But we need all the details. And screw a 9/11 commission type whitewash. The 33 Benghazi hearings should be minor compared to what is needed here.
ashredux
(2,926 posts)They will be found out....
Stuart G
(38,726 posts)Time is not on Trump's side but on the side of the police/FBI.. Those behind all of this haven't got a
clue, says Stu....It is so clear that the FBI will get the total proof....The proof is out there for all to see.
Many videos from different angles. And when the proof is total gotten, the convictions will be swift and
complete. Violence as part of the First Amendment is not accepted.....................
......Something about fire in a movie theater to protect..???? I don't remember...do you?
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)If you have any further doubts as to what went on here than God help you
littlemissmartypants
(32,999 posts)then they would have to legitimately call it a march which would make culpable multiple unknown persons.
They were trying to fly below the radar.
And they didnt want protection for the targets.
Who cares if a few Republicans got injured or shot/beaten to death, they would be justified colateral damage. Nobody really cares about them.
Kid Berwyn
(24,187 posts)Gotta have a reason to declare Marshall Law.
murielm99
(32,956 posts)Is he in Berwyn?
Kid Berwyn
(24,187 posts)
KPN
(17,333 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,655 posts)Corgigal
(9,298 posts)pick up Roger Stone and Michael Flynn. Start shaking the tree. Make sure half the interviewers are black women.
Someone knew logistics, someone knew rat fucking. Start here.
Rebl2
(17,651 posts)Trump ordered it to be under guarded. He wouldnt allow the national guard to move to the capital to guard it after the riot started. Finally Pence requested it and it got done. It is on trump and those who gave those tours on 1/5.
BobTheSubgenius
(12,208 posts)someone could indeed be that incompetent. We all know someone like that, don't we? Not that I'm saying he was responsible for that particular decision, just that he IS that incompetent. And more.