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marmar

(79,625 posts)
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:39 AM Jan 2021

One big mystery remains unsolved: Why was the Capitol left unguarded?


One big mystery remains unsolved: Why was the Capitol left unguarded?
The Capitol Police have more than 2,000 officers and a $500 million budget. Who prevented them from stopping this?

By DAN FROOMKIN
JANUARY 15, 2021 11:00AM


(Salon) There is so much going on these days. But what I keep coming back to is that if the Capitol Police had been anything close to properly mobilized, none of it would have happened.

There would have been a protest on January 6, not an insurrection. Five people wouldn't be dead. Members of Congress and Capitol staff wouldn't have been terrorized. Donald Trump wouldn't be impeached.

All but for a still inexplicable decision made by who-knows-who.

Because we still don't know how it was allowed to happen.

....(snip)....

Speaks to motive

I have tried to consider the possibility that it was just gross incompetence. But no one could really be that incompetent.

So at this point, in the absence of any other plausible explanations, it is more than reasonable to assume that the people making decisions about Capitol Police deployment that day felt kinship with the Trump mob, and either were too racist to see the threat posed by Trump supporters or looked the other way on purpose. .............(more)

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/15/one-big-mystery-remains-unsolved-why-was-the-capitol-left-unguarded/




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One big mystery remains unsolved: Why was the Capitol left unguarded? (Original Post) marmar Jan 2021 OP
Truth will out malaise Jan 2021 #1
Agreed Pachamama Jan 2021 #4
Correct is malaise Jan 2021 #7
Trump loved being Commander in Chief of the Military Pachamama Jan 2021 #11
How did they ever let this monster achieve power malaise Jan 2021 #17
He's the messiah. Seriously, they really think that. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #35
Timing and technology. He took control of the 2016 election. Jetheels Jan 2021 #57
Interesting assessment malaise Jan 2021 #59
Thanks....I think about this stuff way to much lol. n/t Jetheels Jan 2021 #61
Though assessments require intergenerational thinking malaise Jan 2021 #63
Trump started the march illegally kiri Jan 2021 #49
Saw that malaise Jan 2021 #50
I have to say dianaredwing Jan 2021 #56
Natty keep on comin' throuh Tommymac Jan 2021 #51
Can't see the video malaise Jan 2021 #52
Yes it is. Tommymac Jan 2021 #54
LOL malaise Jan 2021 #55
2,300 officers and a $516 million budget - more than the police budgets of Atlanta and Detroit dalton99a Jan 2021 #2
Indeed... Wednesdays Jan 2021 #22
No mystery at all. Trump. marble falls Jan 2021 #3
Gotta' ask the question... "who believed they had something to gain from this?" groundloop Jan 2021 #28
and why was the rally crowd allowed to bring body armor, military helmets, sticks Demovictory9 Jan 2021 #5
+1 appalachiablue Jan 2021 #30
That's a good question. Did the Trump rally allow all the gear and flags and unsearched BusyBeingBest Jan 2021 #39
It occurs to me that the REAL stormers maybe weren't at the rally at all. BusyBeingBest Jan 2021 #41
I read somewhere on DU earlier in the week that they left the elipse mtngirl47 Jan 2021 #48
I'll have to find the reports but Lil Mushakan Jan 2021 #71
It was planned with the full knowledge and support of Donny Bodybags. Squinch Jan 2021 #6
Donnie Two Times hot2na Jan 2021 #42
This is why we need an investigating committee. So that it will never happen again question everything Jan 2021 #8
LIHOP MineralMan Jan 2021 #9
MIHOP lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #20
O noes! The old LIHOP vs MIHOP debates! davekriss Jan 2021 #23
CUHOP My Pet Orangutan Jan 2021 #44
MIHOP, no question. niyad Jan 2021 #33
Now there's a term I haven't heard in a while davekriss Jan 2021 #21
Marking to read later. tanyev Jan 2021 #10
I don't think it was unguarded. kentuck Jan 2021 #12
Lightly guarded exboyfil Jan 2021 #18
Based on what I've read I have to disagree (but I hope I'm wrong) groundloop Jan 2021 #34
I read where the 'protest' leaders including Trump were informed the march was illegal. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #13
Should we give the GOP a chance for an impeachment vote do over? exboyfil Jan 2021 #15
I read that as well Cbus Girl Jan 2021 #47
One of the Sgt At Arms in the presence exboyfil Jan 2021 #14
"reasonable to assume that the people making decisions ... that day felt kinship with the Trump mob" lagomorph777 Jan 2021 #16
Sund is a tRump loyalist. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #25
Trump wanted that way mshasta Jan 2021 #19
$500 million / 2000 officers $250,000 per officer per year. That's a lot of overhead. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #24
LIHOP OR MIHOP. One or the other. the truth needs to be found. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2021 #26
OK. I give up. Please explain acronyms. Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #37
Let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose. n/t justgamma Jan 2021 #45
Hmm. That's a tough one. Thanks Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #46
They were old 9/11 acronyms. Turin_C3PO Jan 2021 #62
That makes sense. Thanks Evolve Dammit Jan 2021 #68
Who? Is right! Wawannabe Jan 2021 #27
They would have needed 3x the force to repel the throngs bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #29
Its a conspricacy. CryptoGod Jan 2021 #31
I think I read here LittleGirl Jan 2021 #32
Let us not forget that the loyalist at the Pentagon refused to authorize the NG. Offers of niyad Jan 2021 #36
It was a Coupe attempt...plain and simple. It failed. People need to go to jail. ashredux Jan 2021 #38
People will go to jail. Just give the FBI the time to get the proof, then arrest, try & convict.. Stuart G Jan 2021 #53
Just take a comparison of the police and NG presence at the BLM protest and the Insurrection Cozmo Jan 2021 #40
Because littlemissmartypants Jan 2021 #43
Reichstagfeuer Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #58
Yeah, where's Matt Dillon when you need him? murielm99 Jan 2021 #60
Last I heard, he was in Cognito. Kid Berwyn Jan 2021 #64
Mystery my ass. The only thing we don't know are the specific details. KPN Jan 2021 #65
Yes that is the big question! Why was the capitol building basically left unguarded? UCmeNdc Jan 2021 #66
At 12:02 next Wednesday, Corgigal Jan 2021 #67
I believe Rebl2 Jan 2021 #69
While I totally agree that there is a lot left to be learned, and a lot left to be done, BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #70

Pachamama

(17,559 posts)
4. Agreed
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:43 AM
Jan 2021

And when the truth and information comes out, it will be shocking and horrific and I believe show this was planned and deliberate and aided and abetted by the Executive Branch.

malaise

(295,479 posts)
7. Correct is
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:46 AM
Jan 2021

Right and it wll be so shocking that impeachment and removal will look tame

Pachamama

(17,559 posts)
11. Trump loved being Commander in Chief of the Military
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:51 AM
Jan 2021

He will be so grateful he doesn't fall under the Military Uniformed Code of Justice for Sedition and Treason and Insurrection

Impeachment and removal is tame to what he deserves and earned.

malaise

(295,479 posts)
17. How did they ever let this monster achieve power
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

I will go to my grave asking that question.

 

Jetheels

(991 posts)
57. Timing and technology. He took control of the 2016 election.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

He had years of experience in front of a camera on The Apprentice.
Years of expertise controlling the narrative with birtherism on social media.
And the groundwork of racism, homophobia, and other ism’s and phobias had been laid for decades by Fox News, breitbart, funding from billionaires- Mercers, Koch’s, Adelson, religious organizations, etc.
I think humans just make no sense a lot of the time.
We live in so many realities at a time. No other animal get lost in books, movies, the past, the future, invent things that don’t exist.....so reality is kind of tenuous. He understands that reality can be manipulated, invented. Why he will never concede or admit failure or wrongdoing.

malaise

(295,479 posts)
63. Though assessments require intergenerational thinking
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:01 PM
Jan 2021

For example I just read that Speaker Pelosi is bringing in Honore to review security
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214931796
Sure he'll understand the logistical operations but he's too old to understand the cyber part of this new reality.
There are things that are beyond my generation.

dianaredwing

(406 posts)
56. I have to say
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

This makes the most sense of anything I have read. Obviously it was an enormous shit show that got worse as everyone tried to evade blame, but those of us who follow rules, such as getting a permit to march, never think that others don't. No one would have suspected that these idiots did not have a permit. Everyone has to get a permit. And, there is probably not just one person involved in the permit process so everyone thinks someone else did it. By the time anyone knew what was happening it was so far out of control that there couldn't be a coordinated response. The whole thing is even better than doing it by the rules, at least if you don't get caught.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
54. Yes it is.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:42 PM
Jan 2021
Dready got a job to do
And he's got to fulfill that mission
To see his hurt is their greatest ambition, yeah!
But we will survive in this world of competition
'Cause no matter what they do
Natty keep on comin' through
And no matter what they say
Natty do them every day, yeah!
Natty dread rides again
Through the mystics of tomorrow
Natty dread rides again
Have no fear, have no sorrow, yeah!
All and all you see a-gwan
Is to fight against Rastaman
So they build their world in great confusion
To force on us the devil's illusion
But the stone that the builder refuse
Shall be the head cornerstone
And no matter what game they play
We got something they could never take away
We got something they could never take away
And it's the fire (fire), it's the fire (fire)
That's burning down everything
Feel that fire (fire), the fire (fire)
Only the birds have their wings, yeah!
No time to be deceived
Oh, brothers, you should know and not believe
Jah say this judgement, it could never be with water
No water could put out this fire (fire)
This fire (fire), this fire (fire)
This fire (fire), a yaga y'all! ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, go there,
'Cause now the fire is out of control
Panic in the city, wicked weeping for their gold!
Everywhere this fire is burning,
Destroying and melting their gold,
Destroying and wasting their souls
Go ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, go there!
Tell you what now the people gather on the beach
And the leader try to make a speech
But the dreadies understandin' that it's too late
Fire is burning
Man, pull your own weight!
Fire is burning
Man, pull your own weight!
Natty dread rides again (natty dread rides again)
And me say, go there, dready! Go there! (go there, go there)
Oh ride, natty, ride! (dread rides again)
And go there, dready! (go there, go there)
Ridin' through the storm,
Riding through the calm (go there, go there)
Oh ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, go there!
Ride, natty, ride!
Go there, dready, do there!
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Bob Marley
Ride Natty Ride lyrics © Kobalt Music Publishing Ltd., Universal Music Publishing Group

dalton99a

(93,910 posts)
2. 2,300 officers and a $516 million budget - more than the police budgets of Atlanta and Detroit
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jan 2021




groundloop

(13,784 posts)
28. Gotta' ask the question... "who believed they had something to gain from this?"
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jan 2021

And there's only one answer to that question - Benedict Donald

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
5. and why was the rally crowd allowed to bring body armor, military helmets, sticks
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:43 AM
Jan 2021

in the presence of the president? When president's come to town, the crowd is searched upon entry to event

BusyBeingBest

(9,173 posts)
39. That's a good question. Did the Trump rally allow all the gear and flags and unsearched
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:21 PM
Jan 2021

backpacks, or were those grabbed or distributed from private vehicles afterward? Need to look at rally photos to see what the crowd had. If this was the first time these items were allowed in a Trump event, then they've got some explaining to do.

BusyBeingBest

(9,173 posts)
41. It occurs to me that the REAL stormers maybe weren't at the rally at all.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:26 PM
Jan 2021

The people who showed up with mace, weapons, tactical gear, etc. The oath keeper/proud boy types. Maybe they just joined the crowd after the rally.

mtngirl47

(1,240 posts)
48. I read somewhere on DU earlier in the week that they left the elipse
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:32 PM
Jan 2021

and went to get their backpacks and weapons (also known as flagpoles) before they headed to the Capitol.

Sorry---can't find a link.

Lil Mushakan

(19 posts)
71. I'll have to find the reports but
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:59 PM
Jan 2021

I know many outlets were reporting interviews with some of the terrorists and they were being told that the insurrectionists were leaving the march, going to their cars, and returning with weapons.

davekriss

(5,402 posts)
21. Now there's a term I haven't heard in a while
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:14 AM
Jan 2021

I’ve always thought GWB LIHOP. Now we have a Trump and/or DC administration LIHOP.

kentuck

(115,379 posts)
12. I don't think it was unguarded.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:55 AM
Jan 2021

I think there was plenty of intelligence that the danger was there. They were not prepared. There was a lack of imagination, just like 9/11. They had no strategy to deal with it. They chose not to use lethal force once they made it to the Capitol steps.

I think there was an epic failure of security but I'm not sure that it was because it was unguarded?

exboyfil

(18,357 posts)
18. Lightly guarded
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

With some of the guards being Quislings. Given an officer died, I got to imagine those Quislings aren't to popular right now.

groundloop

(13,784 posts)
34. Based on what I've read I have to disagree (but I hope I'm wrong)
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jan 2021

It's pretty damned horrific to think that this attempted coup was planned, but some of the news that I've read seems to support that supposition.

One thing that stands out is an interview with a Capitol Police officer who works the night shift. He said he was fully expecting to be working overtime that day, yet was told not to come in. Also there's the National Guard assistance that was initially refused. It all might just be a bad coincidence, but it sure doesn't smell like it.

Demsrule86

(71,541 posts)
13. I read where the 'protest' leaders including Trump were informed the march was illegal.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:57 AM
Jan 2021

They told the DC policy there would be no march and the DC police and capitol police were not prepared.

exboyfil

(18,357 posts)
15. Should we give the GOP a chance for an impeachment vote do over?
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:00 AM
Jan 2021

Assuming it is true. It came from a freelance journalist Greg Palast so I don't know if the story has been vetted in any way.

Cbus Girl

(32 posts)
47. I read that as well
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:31 PM
Jan 2021

And thought it sounded like they were floating that out there to see if it would stick.

exboyfil

(18,357 posts)
14. One of the Sgt At Arms in the presence
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 10:57 AM
Jan 2021

of Congress critters said "I wish I had retired last week".

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. "reasonable to assume that the people making decisions ... that day felt kinship with the Trump mob"
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

Not only decisions about the Capitol Police, but the National Guard and other available reinforcements such as Metropolitan Police Department. The lack of reinforcements was no accident, and we already know that Trump specifically blocked the National Guard. That needs to be loudly emphasized in his impeachment trial (and in subsequent criminal trials).

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
24. $500 million / 2000 officers $250,000 per officer per year. That's a lot of overhead. . . . nt
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:48 AM
Jan 2021

Wawannabe

(6,889 posts)
27. Who? Is right!
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 11:59 AM
Jan 2021

But we know who...just hasn’t been outted yet.

...and may not be...well, because, money/power/money

bucolic_frolic

(54,909 posts)
29. They would have needed 3x the force to repel the throngs
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jan 2021

and they would have needed to use rubber bullets.

I don't think the officers and especially their superiors were specialists in tactical riot control methods.

These guys encounter tourists and constituents on a daily basis.

I suppose at some point someone important will be asked why they didn't use, except for the one death, deadly force, or at least live ammo.

They were overwhelmed by numbers. All that would have done is escalate a situation they already couldn't control.

LittleGirl

(8,999 posts)
32. I think I read here
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:02 PM
Jan 2021

That one of the congress members thought the security that day seemed like weekend coverage and not a day when the electoral votes and rally would occur. I truly believe that they minimized security on purpose that day.

niyad

(131,927 posts)
36. Let us not forget that the loyalist at the Pentagon refused to authorize the NG. Offers of
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:09 PM
Jan 2021

assistance were repeatedly turned down as unnecessary. We know who, we know how, generally. But we need all the details. And screw a 9/11 commission type whitewash. The 33 Benghazi hearings should be minor compared to what is needed here.

ashredux

(2,926 posts)
38. It was a Coupe attempt...plain and simple. It failed. People need to go to jail.
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jan 2021

They will be found out....

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
53. People will go to jail. Just give the FBI the time to get the proof, then arrest, try & convict..
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jan 2021

Time is not on Trump's side but on the side of the police/FBI.. Those behind all of this haven't got a
clue, says Stu....It is so clear that the FBI will get the total proof....The proof is out there for all to see.
Many videos from different angles. And when the proof is total gotten, the convictions will be swift and
complete. Violence as part of the First Amendment is not accepted.....................
......Something about fire in a movie theater to protect..???? I don't remember...do you?

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
40. Just take a comparison of the police and NG presence at the BLM protest and the Insurrection
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:23 PM
Jan 2021

If you have any further doubts as to what went on here than God help you

littlemissmartypants

(32,999 posts)
43. Because
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jan 2021

then they would have to legitimately call it a march which would make culpable multiple unknown persons.

They were trying to fly below the radar.

And they didn’t want protection for the targets.

Who cares if a few Republicans got injured or shot/beaten to death, they would be justified colateral damage. Nobody really cares about them.

Corgigal

(9,298 posts)
67. At 12:02 next Wednesday,
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:18 PM
Jan 2021

pick up Roger Stone and Michael Flynn. Start shaking the tree. Make sure half the interviewers are black women.

Someone knew logistics, someone knew rat fucking. Start here.

Rebl2

(17,651 posts)
69. I believe
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 01:40 PM
Jan 2021

Trump ordered it to be under guarded. He wouldn’t allow the national guard to move to the capital to guard it after the riot started. Finally Pence requested it and it got done. It is on trump and those who gave those tours on 1/5.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,208 posts)
70. While I totally agree that there is a lot left to be learned, and a lot left to be done,
Fri Jan 15, 2021, 02:30 PM
Jan 2021

someone could indeed be that incompetent. We all know someone like that, don't we? Not that I'm saying he was responsible for that particular decision, just that he IS that incompetent. And more.

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