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(14,118 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)No matter what an R does, s/he can never get much lower than that.
So I'm assuming Trump is scraping the barrel bottom if my supposition is correct.
msfiddlestix
(7,285 posts)The number of eligible voters who turn out are actually significantly smaller than the totality of the adult population. I haven't done the math to fact that, but I did do that in 2016, and I did do the math in this election in my Northern California County of Sonoma. and that is the number who turned out to vote for Trump in this county, which is mostly Liberal, but we have among our population these wacko crackpots and white supremacists same as most anywhere.
I don't want to delude myself, but O'Donnell's message confirmed my personal thoughts and makes me more optimistic about our country moving forward.
Maybe we're both wrong?
Lil Mushakan
(19 posts)Rural voters vote Republican. It doesn't actually matter who runs. They vote republican because their daddy did. They continue to vote republican because they are farmers and their product gets pushed by large corporations. The relationship is super dependent.
I thought we would see a decline when t**** created havok by removing contracts and trying to sanction China for weird things. China found new suppliers for american produce & Ag. Then, t**** got caught trying to get Xi to purchase American corn reserves to get more support from rural voters. It seemed to have worked.
But you have to understand, these people do not follow politics. If its not on the daily Ag report, they don't watch it. They listen to Rush Limbaugh and they vote. That is their lifeline to political news. Also, because there is very little in their lives to pull away from that on a Tuesday, it is the reason there is always a solid floor to Republican support.
If Democrats worked harder to pull from the rural areas, they could change states like Oklahoma. I just don't think anyone really wants to start the long fight to change people that are isolated and only pay attention to sensationalized "news". But, look at Stacey Abrams. It CAN be done.
Lonestarblue
(10,063 posts)That bought a lot of votes.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)More republican socialism.
wnylib
(21,603 posts)My father grew up on a farm and most of his 8 siblings stayed in rural areas. With the exception of one uncle, who was a union member and detests Republicans, and my father who moved into a moderate sized city and was also a union member, the rest remained conservative.
I'm in a smaller city in NY now, surrounded by farms and small villages. Very conservative, even though we are near blue Buffalo.
So your analysis runs true to my experience. I think it's worth the trouble to reach out to these people, at least the ones in little rural towns and villages. Farmers usually tend to individualism so the social issues of Dems have little appeal to them. But they do value integrity (and Trump lost some of them on that point in 2020). They send their kids off to college if they can. They are concerned with things like inflation, the value of their property, leaving something to the kids. They can be reached.
msfiddlestix
(7,285 posts)Where I've never visited and only driven through once a million years ago. I think it was Route 66 heading to California from North Carolina. We were pulled over by a highway patrol or sheriff (don't really remember which) essentially because of out of state plates.
But my friend had brown skin and we wondered if that was really the reason. But once my friend gave the officer his military and drivers identification along with his transfer orders from Camp Lejeune to Camp Pendleton we were immediately and respectfully allowed to continue on. Deference to the military was always a thing in my life time. and likewise respect for the Government was always a thing.
On your points, I recall Pete Buttigeig had spoken specifically on the dynamics of the farmers in Oklahoma and other ag states, essentially underscoring exactly how you describe it. He spoke about the issues with clarity, coherence, determined intention.
I hope he can influence in some significant way even if from the perch of Transportation -- although I'm not sure that's the most influential position on this issue.
But it is a culture we need to understand better and find productive ways of connecting.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)bat-shit-crazy people that would vote for Adolph Hitler's great great grandson, if he were
alive, for president of the US.
I have always noticed a 30 % consistency in various polls over the years. I do believe it has
actually increased a few percentage points though.
SunSeeker
(51,680 posts)DemDaDemDem
(22 posts)That extra ten percent were likely white-collar repubs who voted R because they liked the tax cuts, but then lost their jobs because of the rampant financial deregulation that caused the crash. Of course, once the economy rebounded under Obama, they went right back to voting R like nothing happened.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)whopis01
(3,523 posts)It is almost unbelievable.
I mean, he was almost at that point less than a year into things. After all that is happened, it hasn't changed much at all.
mucifer
(23,565 posts)dems wanted to give him a chance.
Turin_C3PO
(14,047 posts)30% +/- seems to be the number of crazies in our country.
ProfessorGAC
(65,168 posts)So, now 4 polls have it between 29 & 34.
It was NEVER going to be below 25%.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)conspiracy theories being thrown at us by fake news networks and social media. I have never
seen it this bad in my life and its hard for me to even decipher lies from facts and I have always
considered myself as a critical thinking person.
I don't most people are critical thinkers in our society. I don't think we are taught how to be critical
thinkers. This kind of insanity is what you get as a result.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)kirkuchiyo
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(402 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,972 posts)I question the 49% approvals in 2020 as well.
underpants
(182,877 posts)Yes his numbers are in the 20s
Cirque du So-What
(25,972 posts)Its in the 20s, guaranteed.
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)After missing the mark too many times in presidential elections, they stopped doing them. Often during the Trump years when the news outlets reports downward dips or dives in his approval ratings, Gallup would show a point or so loss. They called me once and I told them I would not answer their questions because they weighted their polling too far towards conservative sentiments. I am sure they know who to call and when. It is not possible for them to find enough random sources for as much polling as they do. I am also sure they have enough information to put FDR's approvals but they start partially through Truman's presidency. The company started in 1935 or so.
unblock
(52,317 posts)NNadir
(33,542 posts)...gets rejected as a loser better than him.
lark
(23,155 posts)When 34% approve of a seditious, constantly lying, greedy, profiteering, mean, hate filled, cares for no one but himself ass, that shows the true peril we are in. Where overturning the government is thought of as patriotic because they love the fascist in chief and really don't care about the country, just their own white privilege. This is a time of great peril unless we can right the ship, and arrest the seditionist and their collluders in congress.
dawn5651
(604 posts)Fozzledick
(3,860 posts)When he found out he was dying he pushed out some absurd polls about religious belief, as if he thought he could flatter his way into heaven.
After he died the company was bought out by Republican political operatives who have been consistently skewing the reports at least 3 points in favor of the Republicans (just enough to claim they were "within the margin of error" when they got called out on it) and have been caught skewing up to 11 points when they thought no one would notice.
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)this background.
calimary
(81,458 posts)Round and round we go...
In a spin...
Ahhhhhhhhhh... the spin theyre in! (Straight down that ol down escalator I hope)!
andym
(5,445 posts)they take pride in him whatever he does and would never turn against him. There will be no Lonesome Rhodes moment for him ("Face in the Crowd" reference).
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)How can it possibly be that high? How could ever have been that high?
Grins
(7,228 posts)President for 4 years and couldnt get barely-half the country behind him the entire time. Says volumes.
mgardener
(1,819 posts)34 % think he is doing a good job?
knightmaar
(748 posts)How TF does even a third of the population support him?
It should the 10% of racist assholes and that's all that's left.
BlueWavePsych
(2,640 posts)PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)Gallup tends to skew a bit right, though. The CEO is a big Republican.
Journeyman
(15,038 posts)It should be higher, but let's give it a few weeks, let more information about his reign of error filter out. We'll see that disapproval number skyrocketing, I'm fairly certain.