VICE TV Interviews a trump supporter who is actually not a wacko

[brettdale]

My question is.... How can the democrats reach a voter like this?

[tulipsandroses]

1. Anyone who is a trump supporter is a wacko

Anyone who still wants to follow trump after all this they have got to be a nut, racist or mix of both.

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2. We don't need to reach this guy. We just won in a landslide.

Let him and others like him follow trump until they finally realize he's a corrupt loser to the bone who doesn't give a fu_k about them, only the money he can fund raise from them.

[GulfCoast66]

4. Respectfully I don't agree. 20 years ago I was a Republican.

Granted, not a evangelical at that point although raised that way.

We can reach some of them. I went from a conservative republican to a Social Democrat. If a dumbass like I can do it, others can as well.

He obviously does not like the religious influence on the party and that is only going to get worse. When secular republicans realize their party is a religious party, we can get them. And there are plenty of them.

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5. He's a magat. The republican party is no longer what it was 20 years ago.

Our efforts are better spent registering voters and getting our voters to the polls than going after magat trump supporters.

[GulfCoast66]

6. I think we can multitask.

Not every conservative is down with the christofacist.

As they become even more influential in their party some will peel of.

[TigressDem]

8. We DEMs are not all the same and neither are Repubs.

AND YES we can multitask.

HAVE TO.


WE HAVE TO GET THE WHITE SUPREMACY OUT as Domestic Terrorism.

IT CAN'T BE A PARTY PLATFORM EVER AGAIN.


Other flavors of Repubs may not my cup of tea, but less likely to burn down Democracy.

I can live with that.

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9. If they come to realize on their own that they've been on the wrong side...

fine. But us spending time and money on them...no way. Dems haven't won the white men demographic in decades so why beat our heads against the wall. It's a tribal thing with them. Let these present-day republicans stew in their racism.

What Stacey Abrams is doing pays results and gets our voters to the polls (see the recent Georgia senate races).

[Bluesaph]

21. Me too

Saw the light in 2003!

[TigressDem]

10. WE sort of DO. We gotta get CORONA under control and he had some agenda items he THINKS only tRump

can help him with. IF he isn't there for racist reasons, then he has been lied to about so much.

MAYBE if he got some truth that made sense to him, it could set him free from the orange man.

EVEN if he went to the LINCOLN group or general conservatism VS moving to the REICH Right.

SOME conservatives don't make me want to puke.

It's the HATRED and VIOLENCE and STUPIDITY that drive me up the wall.

Different from me I can live with, after all I am a DEM. We are like a herd of cats. We only go where we want, but often times we want the same direction.

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11. Oh, please. We haven't won the white man demographic since LBJ's days.

If they come to realize on their own that they've been on the wrong side...fine. But us spending time and money on them...no way. Why beat our heads against the wall. It's a tribal thing with them. Let these present-day republicans stew in their racism.

What Stacey Abrams is doing pays results and gets our voters to the polls (see the recent Georgia senate races).

[TigressDem]

12. I don't want tRumpers to become DEMS. Just less crazy. Less of a problem.

There are many paths there.

One - White Supremacy groups need to be defined as terrorist organizations. They get violent and commit hate crimes. They gotta go and their shadow organizations supporting them need to be called out as UN-American.

Two - Those who tried to overthrow a legitimate election get consequences. ALL OF THEM.

Three - Media that does NOT USE FACTS as a basis for it's programming CAN NOT be called NEWS. Sue the hell out of them for nearly causing an insurrection. They are culpable too.

Four - Those who got lied to and can handle the truth and get away from the monkey show, if they will work with us, fine.

I am just talking about trying to tell anyone the truth that might hear it.

Letting people STEW in their RACISM just pushes it off for a time and then it's got an even worse STANK on it.

THEY have been stewing since the Civil War, I am DONE letting them keep finding ways to try to subvert DEMOCRACY. BUT THEY are NOT the ENTIRE Republican Party.





BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT STACEY ABRAMS and making OUR PARTY SO STRONG we don't need to worry about those guys winning elections.


They can still be dangerous if we don't get to the root cause and finally pull it out by the roots.

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13. Good luck with that. I'll live in the real world and see what really is instead of...

how I want it to be.

[TigressDem]

18. Thanks. But the world will never change if we can't see a way through. I'm stubborn.

My son is one of them, so I have to hope.

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24. Sorry about your son. I understand your point of view.

[GulfCoast66]

27. No every Trump voter is a MAGAT

There are still lots of Americans who really don’t pay much attention to Politics. I was one when I was a Republican. Grew up in the Reagan years and just voted that way till I really started paying attention. And was able to travel around the world.

A good friend of mine for 33 years made the switch this year. Grew up in a Republican family in the Midwest and that’s just how he voted. Now he is a democrat. And not that moderate. Like with me, when the change happened it happened fast and completely.

We don’t need and will not get them all. But if we can get 15% of they are no longer a viable party.

I think we have to keep trying. That said, I agree with you that our main focus need to be on getting our Natural Base satisfied with our performance and voting.

[Celerity]

15. 22,000 flipped (Biden to Trump) votes in 3 states (AZ, GA, WI) and it would be 4 more years of Rump

We got hammered in the US House (a net loss of 30 to 35 or so seats versus predictions of where we would be post post 2020 after the gains we had in 2018), and only got to 50/50 in the Senate due to an extremely unique set of circumstances in GA, plus amazing work by the brilliant Stacey Abrams there.

If you count the two GA seats, we really should be sitting at 55 to 57 seats in the Senate and gained 5 to 10 net seats in the House (we are down 24 net from post 2018 numbers atm). Trump had huge coattails unfortunately. We also had poor recruitment for our Senate candidates in multiple 'more than winnable' states (NC, ME, IA, KS, TN (twice now Tim McGraw has turned down running for open seats, he would have won in a canter in 2018), and AK (probably the hardest to win, but we did not even field a candidate, and Begich, who had won before, refused to run.)

We won 2 of the 3 states where we had the clear best candidates (won AZ and CO, lost MT), and the one we lost, MT, was an example of poor national coordination. Bullock was up in the polls for months, a very popular 2 term governor running against on the least intelligent Senators of the past 20 or 30 years, and yet he was just BURIED late with 100 million usd worth of negative attack adverts, and was cash starved (same thing happened in IA, granted a weaker candidate there though) because the national organisation did not shift some pf the absolutely 'tossed down the shitter' 300 million+ usd or so that went to pipe dream, emotionally invested to point of blindness races in KY, SC (ONE poll, month plus out, and outlier at that, that showed it tied was used to artificially raise expectations and thus SO much money just tossed away) and TX. ME can be added there too, but that was the one that really shocked me the most (and was foretold as a loss by a native Mainer on here, who got crazy shit for calling it a probable loss for us, due to Gideon's not a native status, and Minchin's support for Collins (I think that was the lesser by far of the two reasons for Gideon's loss, her non native status was crucial, Collins POUNDED her with that).

We also got battered in state assemblies and state-wide, state level elections. We did not take a single state House or state Senate back, and lost both the state Senate and the state House in NH (another trifecta now for the the Rethugs, as they also have the governorship, plus they have it now too in MT, and possibly in AK, pending a power sharing agreement in the state House), plus we almost lost both chambers in MN (we did not win the Senate back, and came within less than 1500 or so votes scattered over a few districts of losing the state House as well). The Rethugs have 23, possibly 24 trifectas now, we have 15 trifectas.

In 7, perhaps 8 (depending on the 2022 state House races in MN) states (WI, MI, PA, LA, KY, KS, and NC + perhaps MN) the only thing saving us from 7 or 8 more Rethug trifectas is a Democratic Governor. AK could make it 9 more, if the House is taken over completely by the Rethug coalition.

Those state results are going to fuck us up in terms of undoing Rethug gerrymandering post 2020 Census reapportionment, so another decade of a corrupt playing field favouring the Rethugs, starting in 2022, when odds are fairly high we lose the US House (even without further gerrymandering).

So, all in all, other than the national popular POTUS vote, there is no way, IMHO, to call any of 2020 a landslide for us.

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16. Two phrases: Radical Democratic Socialists, and Defund the Police...

are the cause of those losses. What does that have to do with magats who have never voted Democratic and never will?

Sanders has been pushing our need to go after disaffected white men for the last two presidential cycles and keeps coming up short because most people know it doesn't work. I'm with the people who know it doesn't work.

And btw, we just kept the House, won the WH and the Senate despite our two, resident democratic socialists causing us House seats, and the dumbest slogan ever devised—"defund the police".

[Celerity]

17. non sequitur

I addressed the underlying simple maths that showed it was not a landslide. I also made no inference at all as to the efficacy of reaching out to people such as the bloke in the OP's video.

As for causation, it is more complex than simply chalking it off to a fringe group or two, but even if the overriding blame does lay at the feet of those in your positing, we had best figure out how to counter it with better messaging coming from the majority of the party, as the Rethugs will ALWAYS play the commie and race bait/fear card, whether a tiny handful of incorrectly self-labelling 'democratic socialists' exist or not. We also have to counter the fact that there will people out there who still will call for defunding the police.

If we are to avoid a 'Red Wave' in 2022 (historically, the last two (1994 and 2010) first Dem term POTUS's 1st midterms were disastrous for us, including losing a net 63 House seats and a net 7 Senate seats post 2010) we need to figure this out.

And btw, we just kept the House, won the WH and the Senate despite our two, resident democratic socialists causing us House seats, and the dumbest slogan ever devised—"defund the police".

There are more than two, and none are actual democratic socialists, as I have shown with dozens of long, detailed posts since I have joined. They are bog standard social democrats. A step towards helping our party is to get all of them to stop falsely self-labelling. The DSA itself is a lost cause, and needs to be avoided at all costs.

[progree]

25. Trump winning AZ, GA, and WI would have tied the Electoral College

269 to 269. How do you get from there to a Trump win?

Just asking, I've wondered what happens in a E.C. tie but haven't looked it up yet.

EDITED TO ADD:
I agree with you though that it was a very close election.

If on top of winning AZ, GA, and WI, had he flipped 11,000 votes in Nebraska-CD2 he would have won the E.C. Or flipped 17,000 in Nevada.

[Celerity]

26. A 269-269 tie would have elected Trump as the Rethugs control 27 delgations

in the US House, we control 20, and there are 3 ties (MN, MI, PA)

Each state gets one vote, 26 are needed to win.

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30. Thanks, I'm so glad that didn't happen 😂

[Celerity]

31. it would have been the WORST way possible for Trump to win, plus it almost involved an insane

twist. IF WI was not the most gerrymandered state in the US, it would be a tie (or maybe even a Dem majority, OR, IF we had not been wiped out in FL, we could have taken away a Rethug majority for that state delegation by just holding our incumbents and flipping FL-15.

Let's say one of those happened. Going into 2020, the Rethugs only had control of 26 state delegations. Losing one would have put them at only 25, and it would have deadlocked the House.

BUT, as you already saw, they have (post 2020) 27 delegations. They picked up delegation control of Iowa by SIX VOTES in IA-2. If 4 people had flipped R to D, the they would not have the control. If three had flipped, it would have come down to a COIN TOSS.

So if we had taken away just one delegation from the Rethugs, Trump would have won the POTUS by SIX votes, and if COULD have come down to a COIN TOSS for the POTUS.

The country would have ripped itself apart.

[Timewas]

3. T-rump supporter

Is a synonym for whacko..

[TigressDem]

7. I was listening to AM950 - Progressive Radio Rick Unger had Rick Tyler on the show.

Rick Tyler is a died in the wool conservative in many ways, but progressive in others.

He supports functional immigration for one.

He drives a Prius for another.

He thinks that because the Corona virus was so mismanaged, we have to do stimulus to keep the economy going, but job #1 is getting the virus under control so we can get back to real life.


IF my son could be more like that.... and stay away from DUMP world, maybe I could even stand talking to him.


Rick Tyler wrote a book...

Still Right: An Immigrant-Loving, Hybrid-Driving, Composting American Makes the Case for Conservatism
by Rick Tyler



He worked for Ted Cruz in 2016 and either fell on his sword or really goofed up cause he got fired.


Not a saint.

But maybe someone like him could offer that tRumper something better?



EDIT... Tyler voted for BIDEN because tRump was just too caustic.

[kacekwl]

14. This gentleman speaks without yelling obscenities and sounds intelligent

but make no mistake he is a wacko if trump is the ONE person he will follow. Also still thinks the election was stolen sooooo.

[TigressDem]

19. Maybe with the right medication?

[JHB]

32. What he needs is to be taken off his meds (FOX, other RW media)

[Rice4VP]

20. We don't need to. They won't vote anymore...

The Georgia senate races were the first sign of that

[Meowmee]

22. He voted twice for a monster fascist

Enough said... and here he is a day after the inauguration at a supposed rally for dump. It doesn’t matter whether he appears wacko or not.

[KentuckyWoman]

23. We can't reach them. And I don't think we need to.

My brother is very much like this guy. He wants to move us farther right for NON RELIGIOUS reasons. They have a genuine belief that the GOP is not working for the working man because they also have moved too far left.

There are a lot of these people who saw Trump as an outsider and voted him to shake up the Republican party and change it for "the better". They see it didn't work. They believe the Republicans submarined Trump and will do so for anyone who won't play their K Street games. They don't support a violent overthrow of the the government. They do support the end of the 2 parties.

To be honest, I don't mind if these folks spawn a new party. But they need to find a better horse than Trump. He's hideous. I would vehemently disagree with them, but this kind you can have a conversation with.

There are more of them that we might think.

[DeminPennswoods]

29. Think you are correct

I think it's because these voters, the white men especially, have a hard time coming to grips with a world that isn't like the one in which they grew up. The era when men were the breadwinners and women stayed home to run the household and raise the kids. The one where Dad worked at the same company for 30-40+ years and retired with a good pension. A world where each generation was better off than the one before. One where there were plenty of well-paying jobs with good benefits. All of that world is rapidly shrinking. I think mostly what they are, is scared of what part of the world they knew will come unglued next.

I'm glad they'll drop of out of politics, though. These voters are the ones who allowed the Rs to gain house seats and make the election closer than it should have been.

[KentuckyWoman]

33. The generation that benefitted most from good union jobs is either gone or close to it.

The 90 somethings did the best
I am 70 something and we did OK.
The 50 somethings have really suffered.
I worry over how on earth the 30 somethings will manage.

The race to the bottom isn't just a slogan... it's real.

[DeminPennswoods]

34. Yeah, I see it that way, too

The generation behind us is really taking the brunt of all the changes to work and benefits. I'm not sure many will ever be able to retire. Same with our younger Boomer cohorts.

[In It to Win It]

28. That took a shocking turn. He thinks the election was stolen...

by Jared Kushner’s incompetence. Wow!

He’s not a “storm the capitol deplorable” (I think) or a “wacko” but he’s in the Republican camp. He doesn’t come across as someone who would vote for a Democrat even once just to test the water.