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Arkansas Granny

(31,517 posts)
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 12:26 PM Jan 2021

Here's an interesting take on the filibuster.


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Jon Zal
@OfficialJonZal
Get rid of the filibuster and pass everything: healthcare, childcare, family leave, minimum wage, etc. Pass it all. Make Republicans have to try to take those things away from people instead of letting Republicans stop those things from ever happening. You’ll win every time.
1:06 PM · Jan 21, 2021
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That might be the only way to show people how much better their lives would be if the United States had social programs like the rest of the industrialized nations.
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Here's an interesting take on the filibuster. (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Jan 2021 OP
Not sure the votes are there Pantagruel Jan 2021 #1
If it's presented this way to them they may change their minds Fullduplexxx Jan 2021 #2
If Tester can be in favor of "getting shit done", so can Manchin and Synema Blaukraut Jan 2021 #8
Give Manchin and Sinnema all of the pork they want for their states Politicub Jan 2021 #10
Typically, red states are the ones who need help the most. OMGWTF Jan 2021 #17
"Keep your gubmint hands off'n my Medicare!" . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2021 #3
Sounds good when cast in a different light, eh? dchill Jan 2021 #12
THIS post is reality of boots on the ground. These are the programs Americans can't BComplex Jan 2021 #4
If I could agree with something 1000%, it would be thus tweet. Bleacher Creature Jan 2021 #5
+1000 Thekaspervote Jan 2021 #6
Damn right TryLogic Jan 2021 #21
Pretty sure we don't have the votes yet gab13by13 Jan 2021 #7
Right, we don't. We'd lose some. But we'd win some also. Hortensis Jan 2021 #9
We don't FBaggins Jan 2021 #11
Not just interesting but our duty. When voters see us "deliver" by the end of 2021, we'll win 2022. ancianita Jan 2021 #13
It's well past time MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #14
Torture them with a limited filibuster bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #15
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Jan 2021 #16
simple + effective + pre-emptive elegant + proper + doable...superbly wrought challenge! bringthePaine Jan 2021 #18
I think "filibuster" wasn't designed as a procedural thing. forgotmylogin Jan 2021 #19
Just let it go back to speaking filibuster appmanga Jan 2021 #20
Requiring super majorities to pass legislation is not democratic... Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #22
Republicans got everything they wanted under Trump, filibuster is no use to Dems anymore bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #23
 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
1. Not sure the votes are there
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 12:30 PM
Jan 2021

Sen. from right leaning states are hard sells on Gv't programs, Manchin, Sinnema and others.
Otherwise, I agree with the concept.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
8. If Tester can be in favor of "getting shit done", so can Manchin and Synema
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 01:49 PM
Jan 2021

Tester basically advocated getting rid of the filibuster in so many words. His state isn't exactly a liberal mecca either.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
10. Give Manchin and Sinnema all of the pork they want for their states
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 02:01 PM
Jan 2021

Anything it takes to get legislation that will endure for decades to get passed is peanuts compared to the long-term benefits.

OMGWTF

(3,955 posts)
17. Typically, red states are the ones who need help the most.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 02:56 PM
Jan 2021

You know, those "taker" states that the blue states support.

BComplex

(8,051 posts)
4. THIS post is reality of boots on the ground. These are the programs Americans can't
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 12:45 PM
Jan 2021

overturn if they're ever granted. And once granted, democrats need to go on ALL the news organizations, and take out ads in all the major papers, tooting their horns that DEMOCRATS are the ones who made these programs possible.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
5. If I could agree with something 1000%, it would be thus tweet.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 12:55 PM
Jan 2021

The choice is clear. If the GOP filibusters everything, we're going to lose both the House and the Senate. That's virtually guaranteed, because too many people on our side will stay home because they feel like their vote in 2020 didn't make a difference.

But if we pass things that make people's lives better, we'll at least have a fighting chance to hold Congress in 2022. We could still lose, but at least we'll have a chance. And if we pass things that help millions of Americans, and still lose, we lose knowing that we made a difference, which is the point.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
21. Damn right
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 03:28 PM
Jan 2021

Republicans block almost everything, then attack Democratic congress for being do-nothing congress. Congress has, what?, 15% approval rating.

Stop fooling around. Get stuff done. Just do it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Right, we don't. We'd lose some. But we'd win some also.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 01:59 PM
Jan 2021

But that's always been the argument and problem: that Republicans use this anti-democracy tool to gain great ground and that we can't afford to lose the same advantage, not least when we have nominal control of the chamber, to do what we need to.

FBaggins

(26,739 posts)
11. We don't
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 02:06 PM
Jan 2021

I doubt that it would even be particularly close

And, just like previous "nuclear" options... I suspect that we would later come to regret it.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
14. It's well past time
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 02:51 PM
Jan 2021

Senators need to legislate. That means debate and votes. There is no accountability without recorded votes. It’s the most basic function of a legislative body. The Senate has shirked its duty for far too long.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
15. Torture them with a limited filibuster
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 02:52 PM
Jan 2021

3 a year for 3 days each, and

2 a year for 10 days each, and

1 absolute filibuster per Congressional term.

Their choice on each.

I'm not a big fan of silencing the minority. If we don't want tyranny, and we don't want tyranny of the minority like Moscow Mitch McConnell has practiced at times, and we want Judges debated on the merits and not by burying their nominations, then minorities must be heard. That's open government. We've lived under it. We can do better.

Plus it will be fun to see them try to invent rationales for their positions - because they have none. They've never thought about explaining anything. They just want to exercise power. Theirs.

forgotmylogin

(7,528 posts)
19. I think "filibuster" wasn't designed as a procedural thing.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 03:24 PM
Jan 2021

Originally to filibuster legislation, a person or party had to hold the floor and talk to delay the vote. The only way to end a filibuster (I believe) was to get an in-person 2/3rds vote to close debate, so that's why you hear of people reading the phonebook all night to stop legislation they believed needed to be stopped.

I say trash the shortcut "insta-filibuster" which is just a cheap way for changing the majority threshold to pass bills and keep the manual one. If they want to hold things up, they need to work for it.

appmanga

(571 posts)
20. Just let it go back to speaking filibuster
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 03:27 PM
Jan 2021

That way, it still exists, but exists in the form that compels the objectors to make their case and move public opinion and not simply just gum up the works. The filibuster used to be dragged out to oppose civil rights legislation. Today, the end result is the same AND it's easier to achieve. Stop playing around and pull the sheet off of what's going on here.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
23. Republicans got everything they wanted under Trump, filibuster is no use to Dems anymore
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:06 PM
Jan 2021

Nuke the filibuster. They will only use it against us, and not allow us to use it against them.

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