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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe military has a problem of its own creation.
I retired in 2013 after 28.5 years in the United States Navy. I'm proud of that. I'm honored and humbled that my Retirement Certificate is signed by President Obama.
During the tumult of the past 4 years, I've watched with a sense of certainty and faith that our country would be OK.
My bride often would get agitated with me, because she felt I wasn't taking the threat seriously enough.
"What if he declares Martial Law"?
"Who is going to stop him"?
"The military is on his side"
"You don't know what the military might do".
As I told my love then, and as I hope to tell folks now, I have faith and belief in the people that are serving. I honestly know in my heart that for every "general" Flynn in the military, there are 50 Admiral Mullen's, Admiral Stavrides', General Honore's, General Powell's and Admiral Goodwins.
That is true. It's always been true. But, even one Flynn is one too many.
Another misconception is that the military is a monolith of knucklegragging conservative wingnuts. My experience is that is not the case.
What I saw was wingnuttery at a senior level, but as you went down the ranks, there was simply a slice of America. Liberals, conservatives, moderates, nihilists, and a lot of folks that just don't give a craps who is in charge, but want common sense and good government.
I, and my fellow leaders have to take some blame for any brainwashing of the military.
How many years did I go into any military facility. Gym, Medical or Dental Waiting Room, Chief's Mess, Wardroom, Admin Shop, ID Card Lab, etc., and see nothing but TVs tuned to Faux News 24/7?
How did I say nothing when Armed Forces Radio was required to blast Limbaugh or Hannity? Because some senior officer, or some dipshit Chief Petty Officer bitched and moaned that they needed these shows for "balance"? As if there is some type of equivolence between CBS News and Rush?
The bottom line is that the leadership of the military remained silent while racist propaganda was forcefed to the troops.
You cannot blast Limbaugh or Faux News repeatedly, and then be shocked or surprised that there were veterans storming the Nations Capitol.
I will also say this about the military. We are pretty good about fixing things when we put our efforts to it.
Seditious propaganda must be removed from every military installation and ship. It has no place in the military.
Folks will scream and cry about "censorship", but the good thing is, the military doesn't need to give a damn about that.
Like my old Master Chief used to say; "people in hell want ice water.
leftieNanner
(15,100 posts)Left home to be in the Marines for six years as a good Democrat.
He came home a rabid Republican.
I understand that his workplace had Rush and Hannity on the radio every day.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)For your service & insights!
I wonder who made the decision(s) to use psy ops on iur military?
What you have shared about real patriots is a belief I humg on to with no confirmation, just a gut sense.
Ty!
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)Would refuse unlawful, seditious orders based on their sense of honor, patriotism, duty and love of country and democracy.
Some others would refuse those orders due to shame and how history would treat them.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter if it's honor, or shame, I was confident that our democracy would prevail.
One more term with that orange amphibian turd in charge...I am not so sure.
We dodged a bullet. We need to get about the business of ensuring we don't get that close to destruction again.
That means Biden/Harris voters need to come out in even higher, overwhelming numbers in the upcoming midterms.
BComplex
(8,052 posts)Many gangs in prison are nazis, and when they get out, they hang out with nazis.
Turin_C3PO
(13,991 posts)but have friends and family that served. My perception is the same as yours, that the military basically reflects the society at large. I too believe the vast majority of service people, liberal or conservative, are honorable and wouldnt consider turning against our great country. Our task now is to root out that small minority of right wing extremists who would use their military experience to accomplish their seditious goals. Btw, thank you for your service, sir, and I appreciate your views on this subject.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)A really good start would be recalling genera Flynn to active duty to face a General Court Martial.
I guarantee you, the "pucker-factor" of active duty and retired military would hit records.
Imagine that...we may actually prosecute sedition and incitement to insurrection.
That would send a message.
stopdiggin
(11,308 posts)both your service -- and the commentary and analysis you offer on the current state. I think you have really nailed it in that the vast majority of or service people remain absolutely steadfast and loyal -- and that the institutions themselves have not always done a great job in "policing" the grounds. Hopefully this can be recognized and addressed expeditiously.
Have to add a caveat here. It is inherently hard, and perhaps impossible, for an institution to police itself for radical, backward and seditious attitude among its ranks -- when "wing-nuttery" is routinely espoused as mainstream political thought outside the ranks. i.e., In order to turn off the Rush Limbaugh spigot -- you have to first identify Rush as a nut job -- and a danger to public order. And by extension, when you have a Commander in Chief that is blathering "stolen election" .... Not sure who has the responsibility for, or is even capable of, making this call.
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maxrandb
(15,330 posts)We have the capability and responsibility to make that call.
Why are local radio stations not being picketed by protesters?
Why are local businesses that advertise on these radio stations not being boycotted to ruin?
Why are universities and professional sports teams not being held to account for broadcasting their games on stations affiliated with this hate?
We really do have the power to fix this. It's not a lack of info or means. It's a lack of will and resolve.
As for the military, if the Chief of Naval Operations said: "no more Faux News propaganda, or Rush and Hannity at Naval Facilities and ships, there would be no more Faux News or Rush and Hannity at Naval Facilities or ships.
stopdiggin
(11,308 posts)The country as a whole has to denounce and turn their back on this nonsense. And the military is in position to move quickly and decisively -- (if and when they choose to).