CNN saying it is doubtfull Senate Republicans will vote to convict

[applegrove]

Trump in the impeachment trial. There simply is not the 17 votes needed. Lindsay Graham says senate will not split the day if Democrats go ahead with impeachment so Biden will not get his nominees approved right now.

[msongs]

1. since they control the senate these days why vote to convict nt

[pwb]

2. Probable

Is the word I would use.

[Karadeniz]

3. Perhaps evidence at the trial will force them...

[Mr.Bill]

6. There is a reason they didn't allow any evidence or witnesses at the last impeachment trial. n/t

[Karadeniz]

21. Yes...we must find a way!

[servermsh]

4. While I think it isn't super likely, also keep in mind these "leaks" can be misleading

The leak might be anti-impeachment Republicans just trying to set the message.

This time the Senators will have to sit there and listen to actual evidence. It might have an impact.

[soothsayer]

9. Exactly. Once public opinion comes in, they might need to change their tune

[Thekaspervote]

5. JMHO..I agree. 17 slime ball pukes, especially turtle are not going to go against him

REGARDLESS of what he has done!!

[mitch96]

22. So that McTurtle statement about repukes "voting their conscience" was all bull. typical..nt

[soothsayer]

7. Let's see the humiliating, horrifying case laid out before us all

And THEN let them show themselves as democracy haters with their votes.

[Blue Owl]

8. Strap that fat ass anchor to their necks

[soothsayer]

10. Yes! An albatross

[OnDoutside]

11. To be clear, it's the Republican Party that desperately needs to

convict and bar him from running again. If one is to be nakedly partisan, that would be the ideal scenario for Democrats so that it paralyzes the GOP from moving on.

[coti]

13. This nt

[coti]

12. Then he'll continue to split their party.

Fine with me. He's already gone, as it is.

[liberalmuse]

14. Not going to accept this, but if it's true, the GOP is done.

Trump will fracture their party and/or divert most of the donations into his own personal coiffures. I am laying bets he won't run in 2024. He'll either be in prison or succumb to his own vices by then, but the damage will have been done.

[randr]

15. If they all don't show up to vote doesn't the 17 number go down?

If Mitch wanted to impeach he can manipulate the vote to do so.

[OnDoutside]

17. Yes, two thirds of the number voting on the day.

[Wednesdays]

16. Can anyone name ten senate Repugs

who will vote to convict, let alone seventeen?


At the moment I can count four, tops.

[TwilightZone]

19. My list is probably the same four.

Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and I wouldn't count on all four. Sasse grandstands, then falls in line.

Lots of wishful thinking going around, just like the first time. We know how that turned out.

[OnDoutside]

20. I rarely agree with Kasee Hunt but she hit the nail on the head,

when she said that they would need 17 Republicans who would know they would be probably be taking a career ending decision. A group not noted for its bravery.

[uponit7771]

25. Its WORSE !!! The kGOP senators could JUST NOT SHOW UP and they can say they didn't vote either...

... way but they wont even do that !!

[Midnight Writer]

18. Fine. This time, with Democratic control, there will be a public trial and display of evidence.

Let's put the facts out there in public.

Then we will see if the Republicans want to go to bat for the guy who used their cooperation to attempt an insurrection, then threw them all under the bus.

Republicans want to see the Trump era go away.

Let's not let them bury this and walk away unscathed.

Put them on the record. Let them show where their loyalty lies.

[uponit7771]

23. GOOD !!! Moscow Mitch has to live with Putin's Whore tearing apart the kGOP !!!

[Chainfire]

24. Fine, make them vote, let everyone see who they are.

We can not let them hide in the shadows, we can not let them pass the event off as anything less than it was. Their calculation is that if they can make the impeachment go away, it two years the people will have forgotten.

Mc's threat is his version of Unity. He is cut from the same bully cloth as Trump. Call him on the impeachment issue, make the Republican give Trump a pass on sedition. They will have to face history.

[struggle4progress]

35. +

[EarlG]

26. It really doesn't matter

This trial isn’t going to be like the first impeachment trial. There will be witnesses for one thing, and I’m sure they will subpoena former Trump admin officials, who won’t refuse to appear this time and are liable to throw Trump under the bus since he’s got no power over them any more (plus they’ll want to save their own skins.)

Then there will be the reams of evidence that’s already going through criminal courts where rioters have said they were there because Trump asked them to come. Video evidence showing them saying the same. Plus tons of video evidence from Trump himself egging on violence at his rallies for the past four years, and in his tweets. And paper trails showing the whole thing was funded through the Trump campaign.

Republicans’ only defense will be some lame argument about process (“Wah, you can’t try a president who is out of office” ) while they get tons of horrible, damning evidence publicly dumped on their heads for hours every day, reminding everyone of what a scumbag Trump was.

And if they don’t vote to convict after THAT, what do they win? The specter of Trump rearing his ugly head again in 2-4 years time, which will excite the foaming-at-the-mouth diehards and repel absolutely everyone else.

That’s if he doesn’t get criminally prosecuted first, of course, which isn’t going to make a second acquittal look any better. “Wow — you let that crook get away TWICE?”

The win for us is not whether he’s convicted or not, it’s that this whole shitshow will be aired publicly and dumped at the GOP’s feet for them to deal with. They’re pretty screwed either way.

[applegrove]

32. I hope you are right. I hope the FBI is sitting on great intel that will

be revealed beyond what we know now.

[Marius25]

27. There is absolutely no reason for impeachment

in the Constitution at this point. If inciting sedition, terrorism, and treason isn't grounds for conviction, nothing is.

Republicans are the treason party. They all need to be jailed.

[triron]

43. Well said and succinct.

[hunter]

28. So what are they afraid of? Trump is a nobody.

[keithbvadu2]

29. I don't care if he is convicted or not. But I do want the votes recorded.

[Mariana]

30. They're still scared of their Trump cultist constituents

so they're appeasing the terrorists.

[fescuerescue]

31. I think that was the assumption going in

The point really isn't conviction since it has no practical impact other than historical records.

The point is impeachment itself.

Trump will probably remain the only twice impeached President for at least 100 years.

[applegrove]

34. Maybe it was the assumption going in. I hope so.

[NurseJackie]

33. There simply are not the 17 votes needed.

[BlueNProud]

38. I don't care about conviction, make them vote.

[Zorro]

36. I agree with CNN

They are the party of fascists, and have been since Nixon's election.

[BlueNProud]

37. Make them vote.

[spanone]

39. fuck lindsey

[jalan48]

40. At least Democrat's can get the information from the trial out to the public.

[Skittles]

41. party over country

SOP for the GOP, the same party that voted to impeach over a BJ

[BlueIdaho]

42. Let it be on their heads then.

Then lay into them in press, radio, and TV.

[greenjar_01]

44. Impossible to find 17

I agree. they won't convict.

[elias7]

45. Good, that means they will have to deal with him for the next 4 years

They need to realize that he is poison to the R party, and that conviction would forbid him from holding office again.

Secondly, WTF is impeachable if this isn't?