Seriously DUers has it sunk in that Donald Trump tried to overthrow the Legislative Branch of

[malaise]

government?
He should be in criminal court for this crime.

[Bev54]

1. Has not sunk in with republicans, in or out of congress

[malaise]

2. That's for sure

Makes me realize that they don't give a shit about democracy - it's all self interest at home and abroad.

[MerryBlooms]

17. Their dismissive attitude towards the intention to murder colleagues by their

Own constituents, turns my stomach. Many of these republicans refused to wear a mask during the insurrection, in hopes of saving their lives from their own supporters. In doing so, republicans were eagerly pointing out our Democratic members.

[malaise]

20. Yep

Not one of them can be trusted

[Bev54]

97. Yes and also they could kill someone from their stupid nonsense of not wearing

masks as well. I read that there was 6 people who came down with covid after that night and we know of the 3 dems so the others will likely be republicans. I have only heard of one republican who had lung cancer and had treatments recently in Dec 2020. If this guy dies or if anyone else does from covid, they need to be held responsible.

[hadEnuf]

91. The majority of Republicans either do not care or wanted the Legislative Branch overthrown.

On 1/6/21 the masks finally came off.

This event was 40+ years in the making. Luckily is was brought to a head by and idiot with the IQ of a drugged out street punk.

[servermsh]

3. For me, yes. But I've been afraid of some Republicans for 40 years

Scary people like Scalia, etc. and then more and more and more and worse and worse and crazier and crazier Republicans.

All the while, over decades, the press largely ignored it. And at the same time the press would repeat the scurrilous charges of "left wing radicals" for what is actually popular public policy.

So like many, I've seen this coming.

[BComplex]

39. well said...I'm scared of republicans, too. Anybody who's paying attention should be.

Now we have to make sure the media doesn't go back to supporting them.

[electric_blue68]

55. Hmm 🤔 Someone could rewrite Bowie's

? is it 'I'm Afraid of Americans' to 'I'm Afraid of Republicans', yes? 😁

[BobTheSubgenius]

60. Remember when the Tea Party was the rabid, fear-inducing group of rabble in US politics?

Good times.

[electric_blue68]

74. Me, too, being scared of some Republicans esp

Newt Gingrich and Co - remember how much they did to the Democrats!
Nixon, too. W sort of.
Cheney, oh, hell yes!

[lpbk2713]

4. MIHOP

Not a doubt in my mind.

[Corgigal]

5. You know what blows my mind.

Corporate America started freaking out. Announcing they wouldn’t be giving any funding to the republican traitors. Then I remembered the Joint Chiefs writing that letter to warn the troops.

So now I’m reading a book, called How Democracy Fails. It appears, it’s normally falls from within. Allowing some dim wit in, thinking you can handle him..and so on.

I’m not sure too many people understand. I bet corporate America does, and it scared them. The RNC failed by allowing Trump even in their party, so we have to watch them closely.

[soothsayer]

7. Who knew democracy was so frail, so fragile? We're just a young country

We need to protect this great experiment

[malaise]

23. I've been thinking that I used to be shocked at DUers who thought he had a chance to

mash down the system - now I understand their fear and vigilance.

[niyad]

82. During the 2016 campaign, when I heard/saw people dismissing the murdering orange traitor as

A clown or a joke, I kept pointing out that many thought the same of hitler, and look how that turned out.

[malaise]

83. You were right

[niyad]

88. I would so much rather have been wrong.

[malaise]

9. Watching from outside what scares me is that for the interests of big business

the US has been involved in the overthrow of lots of democracies in other places so specific interests have long been seen as more important than the will of the people of foreign lands.

Now they are trying it at home. I'd love to know which corporate interests (aka national interests) are still supporting ReTHUGs

[appalachiablue]

21. Many Americans don't know the history, clueless and

a serious danger... Education is needed, but good luck with that.

[BComplex]

45. That's a really good point, Malaise. The US has overthrown a lot of democracies in the past.

And it's always been republicans, and lead by corporate interests.

[electric_blue68]

57. Know some of that history, but...

has it always been when Republicans were in power?
That I don't know.

[LiberalArkie]

69. My guess is the same ones as before. Just like the Trumps, they started believing their own

advertising. The Democratic Party has got to bet to the point that what comes out of our mouths is nothing but the truth.

[Tommymac]

84. Big Oil.

I've not seen any of t he Energy Cartel's come out against the insurrection.

To be fair I may have missed it, but still.

They want their water empire to continue.

[malaise]

85. No you're right

Big oil

[uponit7771]

30. +1, PayPal is Racist Terrorist who own small business's from their platform now.

[Claire Oh Nette]

48. Economic pressure

This is what it takes.

War is great for the bottom like when it's overseas.
not so great at home.

Call. Write. Email.

If your company supports terrorism in any way, we will not support you.
Kroger's gave to Proud Boys 503 c community group? ZERO dollars at Kroger until they denounce publicly.
$$$$$ is speech. Speak up.

[Vivienne235729]

93. Did they really? Yikes. And they own Albertsons, too.

I won’t be going back there knowing that.

[Claire Oh Nette]

99. DOn't.

And tell the manager and the corporate offices how much you spend a month on groceries and why you will opt to drive further, pay more to spend with companies that don't support seditionists.

Play time is over. There are more of us, and we're craftier.

[Vivienne235729]

100. You're right. I will let them know. They need to know.

[Bongo Prophet]

98. Kroger did denounce and defund pretty quickly a few days ago

[Claire Oh Nette]

101. They knew.

Let them know past support is unacceptable.

Shun and shame and bring all the financial pressure we can individually.
There are plenty of things I can live without.

[JI7]

94. Corporate America will be destroyed without the mostly stable system we have

[soldierant]

115. On PBS Passport

(if you are a member of your local PBS TV station, you can access Passport and stream shows free - depending on the station, you may have to ask for it) Rick Steves special "The Rise of Fascism in Europe" is available. i'm sure it is nowhere as comprehensive as the book you cite, but it is, as is everything Rick puts out, well researched and easy to understand.

[Under The Radar]

6. I second that motion.

It was not his first attempt either.
By denying Congress’ duty to oversight by ignoring their subpoenas to witnesses and documents was a circumvented attempt at destroying the the constitutional obligation of Congress.

[malaise]

10. Don't forget his call to Georgia

Find me those votes

[electric_blue68]

62. Yes 😠

[malaise]

81. Adding this breaking news

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214990091

[electric_blue68]

86. 👍 😔😠😠😠😠😠😠😠😠

[RKP5637]

8. Some people still don't get it, especially his cult and other republicans. It's a total WTF.

If this had happened in the 50's, for example, he would likely be up for execution. Far too much is just allowed to slide anymore!!!

[jpak]

11. He will never be punished

Nope

[Under The Radar]

29. I will take Vegas odds on that one.

The republicans need him flushed from the party to prevent him and his children from criticizing every move that they make, jumping into 2 different senate races when they haven’t paid their dues and still harnessing all of the attention from the voters.
They need him destroyed, humiliated and discredited and that will be constant revelations about his finances, tax fraud, money laundering, Russian connections, influence peddling and then a picture of him in an orange jumpsuit with a shaved head should be a nice touch too.

[jpak]

34. But the GOP will acquit him on the impeachment charges

And he will lawyer his way out of any other charges.

He'll never see a second in a jail cell.

And it sucks

Yup

[Guilded Lilly]

12. I'm struggling with a lot of things bombarding my brain. I think...

It’s all a part of the emotional unwinding /realization that I don’t have to constantly, every single day be outraged/ dumbfounded/shocked/nervous/horrified/numb/etc etc etc.

I need to sleep for a month.

And there MUST be accountability for all of this.
Now.

[malaise]

15. I an currently reading A Promised Land and plan to watch several movies on Netflix

That said I intend to watch the entire impeachment trial. I hope they drag him to testify

[Guilded Lilly]

22. Yes. We really MUST make him pay or we are lost as a nation.

and have learned nothing.

[electric_blue68]

63. I hear you! I'm not yet convinced that he won't...

see some jail time, unless he flees the country!

[SWBTATTReg]

13. Yes, it has for me. Whom it hasn't sunk in for, is all of the idiots being charged right and

left now from the riot with this very crime (sedition, some of them). The writing is on the wall, and let there be no rest, no peace for these people and trump.

[JonLP24]

14. Yes

Good thing Trump planned it in plain sight so it won't be dismissed as a ridiculous conspiracy theory but it was clearly a failed self-coup.

[tinrobot]

16. What boggles my mind is that there are representatives and senators who still support him.

[malaise]

18. THIS particularly as they were witnesses to the attack

Bangs head

[Guilded Lilly]

25. ...witnesses AND willing conspirators. The evil runs deep.

[malaise]

28. Truth will out

I think that's one of the reasons they are so afraid of the upcoming trial of Trump.
Can't wait for all the names

[Guilded Lilly]

36. Going to be an eye opener! Karma is hungry.

[electric_blue68]

58. I sure hope so!

[William769]

19. Yes.

[JimGinPA]

24. While It Was Happening nt

[electric_blue68]

26. Yup, it did. Although it still feels a bit surreal even knowing what he said about...

Staying in power! 🤬

[malaise]

31. That threatening call to Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger made me realize he was

desperate, but I had no idea he'd go even further/ I am still in a state of stunned incredulity.

[electric_blue68]

35. That's why I do still feel some sense of surrealness!

I think when viewing the photos and vids in particular since I've been near by the Capitol a few times, and in DC even more times.

I toured it decades earlier, and in one video I thought I recognized one particular narrow hallway's arched and fancy painted ceiling!

😲😲😲

[bucolic_frolic]

40. Trump always telegraphs his intent

in 2016 it was cries in spring of a "rigged election" and summer "Russia, if you're listening ...."

in 2020 he used the word "insurrection" in June or July in reference to Portland. It stuck out like a sore thumb. So whatever he's up to, he floats the idea first. Whether it's a signal to his operatives, I don't know.

He'll try again if we don't ban him from office. He's already told us.

[electric_blue68]

44. True this - telling us his intent. I forgot or it didn't....

hit me - his use of the word "insurrection" re: Portland.

Hell, yes, we have to bar him from office!

[malaise]

50. He told us

[bucolic_frolic]

52. Trump may be laughing. We're not. /nt

[electric_blue68]

61. Oh, I definitely remember his 'more terms' crap..

maybe I only partially believed he'd try and pull this off.
Just from past history of it not happening in my lifetime?

He certainly kept us coming and going with all his terrible stuff!

[malaise]

68. I certainly did not think he'd organize an insurrection

of this magnitude - there must be consequences. In the end his love of dictators should have given all a hint of his plans.

[electric_blue68]

72. Hmm... I don't quite think I did either... Yeah ...

because I was sleeping very late woke up an hour after it started. I start my day with on line face book (family, friends, my interests), my local public radio WNYC-AM/FM emails, other texts sent, a music sites political sub-forum, and DU since June '20.

So I either caught it on either fb, or here first. Kept following it here, turned on wnyc, then finally reinstalled Peacock TV (I only have internet over the phone) so I could get visuals, and 😲 😭 I was too shocked to actually cry but somewhere deep inside I was!

So since I was THAT shocked I guess I didn't believe
he'd really try !

[electric_blue68]

87. Yeah, there was THAT. 😔 😠😠😠😠

[niyad]

92. Hey, Guardian, the murdering, orange traitor NEVER jokes. His niece has confirmed that,

and he has, I believe, said so himself.

[uponit7771]

27. K&R, PayPal and Citi are bouncing MAGA Racist Terrorist from their business platforms. That's sinkin

... sinking in no doubt.

[malaise]

32. That is good news

Their movement must be crushed

[Buckeye_Democrat]

33. That's the result of the GOP hitching...

... onto the Christo-fascists for their votes. People who would be perfectly fine living under an evangelical theocracy.

The old-school GOP, the greedy business-types, finally got scared by it. Despite what their propagandists might say, they NEED a strong government. They just don't want the huddled masses to seek government help too.

And the GOP government representatives are in a bind now. They don't want to lose those white evangelical voters.

[electric_blue68]

47. Agreed

[Buckeye_Democrat]

53. Even the horned-helmet weirdo was...

... saying a prayer to Jesus as they occupied the Capitol.

Ugh! Their brains are so messed up!

[electric_blue68]

54. Oh, yeah, I saw that one a few days later.

[bucolic_frolic]

37. It's taken 2 weeks for that knowledge to take hold

The public must be told, again and again. Democrats must draw a line in the sand, as Steve Schmidt keeps telling us, this is democracy versus autocrats, you're either on one side or the other, not both. But purging the miscreants from office will take several election cycles. So we have to execute elections with energy, numbers too big to doubt, and rule of law candidates. Our former prosecutors, intelligence personnel, and military vet office holders are a really strong start. We need more and more and more of them.

[electric_blue68]

67. Yes, over and over and over! I certainly won't forget!

Having been in DC many times for protests, and "just" for fun and history visits it's extra personal for me.
Flawed as we are as a country I love visiting 💖 DC!

Having toured The Capitol like 45- 50 years ago. I definitely remember some of that tour.
I remember riding the Capitol subway!



Think I even recognized a narrow hallway with fancy painted arched ceiling in one of the vids! My jaw dropped!

.

[malaise]

96. Agree

There must be consequences

[RicROC]

38. gas prices

Some of my FB friends, the Trumpists, are concerned that their price of gas will go up to $4/gal. That's how much they are concerned about the end of the Trump era.

[Kid Berwyn]

41. Surprised the press missed the point not.

I tried...

Barbarians at the Gates of Democracy

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214835602

[malaise]

43. You did

Great post = that was an impossible day on DU - glad you posted the link

[Warpy]

42. Legislative branch? He tried to stack the military command structure

and the courts and overthrow the whole shebang at once!

The news today was very interesting, first that his campaign outfit paid to bus those losers in to riot; and second, the a lot of those losers are giving testimony that they wouldn't have been there without his explicit instructions before the riot.

I loathed Nixon, despised Reagan, had absolutely no use for the hapless Dubya. This is the first bad president I've wanted to see go to prison.

Now that he's stiffed Giuliani publicly, he's going to have a lot of trouble finding lawyers. I'm beginning to think it might happen.

[malaise]

46. Indeed - several of us mentioned that he went after the media, election officials, State AGs

all levels of the courts, the military and then the Legislative branch and don't forget he wanted to lok up Joe Biden himself/

[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. GOP -- Koch, Adelson, Uihlein, et. al. -- have been working on takeover for decades ...

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/meet-the-economist-behind-the-one-percents-stealth-takeover-of-america

Trump just thought it was all ready for him to step in and become emperor. He's as much amoral opportunist as con-man.

[Volaris]

49. Yes, he should. It was MAGAts version of a reichstag fire.

[paleotn]

51. Yes. That sank in on Jan 6

and yes, he will see the inside of a criminal court for that. Don't think that because we're not seeing headline grabbing stories daily that this thing is going away. It isn't. And all those responsible WILL be held accountable.

[malaise]

56. Great post

and yes, he will see the inside of a criminal court for that. Don't think that because we're not seeing headline grabbing stories daily that this thing is going away. It isn't. And all those responsible WILL be held accountable.

[spanone]

59. lindsey graham is a juror and he's also consulting trump....reTHUGS have learned nothing.

[malaise]

64. He is a decrepit fool

with not one shred of decency or integrity anywhere in that deteriorating mind.

[Ferrets are Cool]

65. K and R

[Corktown]

66. Masha Gesson

I keep coming back in any tRump-related conversation to the words of Masha Gesson, the day after he was installed into the presidency.

She said that the problem for America was that, having not suffered through a dictatorship before in its history, that it would not recognize one when it encountered one. The same is true, of course, of a coup attempt, no matter how ham-fisted or slow rolling ...

[malaise]

70. So true but I think many of us here knew he was a fascist but didn't think he's take on every

institution on his way to this attempted coup

[electric_blue68]

89. Oh, wow, I never heard this!

Going to have to look her up.

But his extra terms stuff would "ping" me.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

71. Fuck goddamn yes...he should be han.... nt.

[Initech]

75. Oh his ass should be dragged in front of The Hague for this!

[LymphocyteLover]

76. not lost on me at all and it's fucking disgusting

fucking traitors at the highest level

[malaise]

78. So what explains how ReTHUGs are trivializing and or downplaying this momentous

act of sedition?

[LymphocyteLover]

109. it's simple-- they are ReTHUGS

they think whatever they do is right, ordained by god or whatever. They are 99% sick fucks.

[Jon King]

77. Campaign ads for 2022 must already be in the works....

Every single Republican that runs who does not vote to impeach should be joined at the hip with Trump. Over and over play the most vile parts of the insurrection during the campaign season.

[Joinfortmill]

79. Justice is coming.

And it's going to be a sight to behold.

[malaise]

80. Can't wait

This is huge

[BarbD]

90. We must dig in our heels and not back down one iota.

Our country needs a couple of civics lessons i.e. the difference between a Democratic Republic and a Fascist Tyranny.

[Demsrule86]

95. He tried to overthrow the government and make himself and his worthless spawn...dictators for life.

like Putin.

[Hekate]

102. Uh, yeah. We get it -- hope most in the US realize the full extent of it soon. nt

[malaise]

104. This needs criminal prosecution as well

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14990462

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

103. Maddening that he M$M is already both-sidesing this.

The NYTimes, in fact, among others.

Sure, some Rs may have enabled a corrupt POTUS who, along with other Rs, incited the murderous insurrection & coup attempt...

But...

Joe Biden hasn't chosen any Rs for his cabinet...

So...

Even Steven!

[malaise]

105. That's why I don't think it has sunk in

This was a full blown attempt to overthrow the government and kill all who opposed Trump.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

106. Ikr? But, I'll bet it's sunk in with DUers more than the general population.

The fact that McTurtle & his Merry Band of Obstructionists & Insurrectionists are even considering not convicting Pissolini for this is proof enough of that.

The gravity of the January 6th deadly seditionist riots ought to guarantee that 90% of Rs in Congress get a steady stream of calls & letters (or texts & emails, though apparently less effective) expressing our outrage over the deadly, anti-American, nearly successful bloody coup attempt and their part in enabling it

In a just world they'd all be ousted, convicted, & never allowed to hold public office again.

[betsuni]

107. It's offensive to assume we're stupid.

Nixon resigned and members of his administration went to prison. Didn't stop the Reagan campaign from committing illegal acts, or the Bush administration. Criminals never think they'll get caught.

[malaise]

108. I don't think I'm stupid and I'm still trying to process the depth of this conspiracy

They are being caught

[DENVERPOPS]

110. Most of the Repubs I know

can't tell you what the three branches of government are, much less what each does.

(This includes "W", who we remember couldn't properly answer what are the three branches of government..........)

A high percentage of Americans, right and left, couldn't begin to pass the citizenship civics test to become U.S. citizens.

THAT is what is truly shameful............

[bucolic_frolic]

111. More comes out by the hour

Now we know he not only sparked the insurrection funded by various conservative groups, he had a plan to disembowel the DOJ so they would go to court to perpetuate and litigate the rigged election lie.

He always told you he was the brightest bulb around ... well you have to give him high marks for deviousness, deceit, and deception. It was quite a plot.

[Liberty Belle]

112. Not only overthrow, but murder them.

Wash. Post reports some of the insurrectionists were plotting to seal legislators in the tunnel and gas them.

Why isn't anyone asking yet, "What did the President know and when did he know it?" If he had preknowledge of plots to kill members of Congress and/or the Vice President, he should be in prison for the rest of his life.

[malaise]

113. Unbelievable indeed

There must be serious consequences

[PatrickforO]

114. With me, absolutely. Trump is a traitor who should be living out the remainder of his

miserable life in a federal prison cell. And the rest of these Republicans saying we should give Trump and the insurrectionists a pass for the sake of 'unity?' Fuck them.

Neville Chamberlain tried that back in 1938 with Hitler, and it came to be called 'appeasement.'

There is no appeasement possible for fascists like Trump, Gosar, Cruz, Hawley, and any others who betrayed their oaths by supporting the insurrection.

[malaise]

116. +1,000

There must be serious consequences

[Turbineguy]

117. Well, yes.

But surely we are not surprised?

Actually I was surprised he didn't nuke somebody.