So in the last week the "liberal" NY Times

[Dem4Life1102]

1. Attacked Biden for owning an exercise bike.
2. Slammed him for wearing a nice watch.
3. Fired an editor for a tweet that some thought was too complimentary of Biden.

Guess this is what happens when you don’t have a tan suit or phony email story to flog.

Shameful.

[servermsh]

1. No Democrat, liberal or progressive should have a subscription to the NYT. Period! n/t

[jrthin]

4. +1000

Couldn't take anymore of their bs. After 20yrs we finally cancelled our subscription in 2017 after one of their insane headline about the orange blob redefining the presidency, suggesting he was doing it in a positive or neutral way.

[irisblue]

16. I am going to disagree with you.I am a Democrat & progressive. I will keep my subscription

For me, and your life experiences will be different, the working reporters, an example David Enrich (his wiki-currently financial editor at The New York Times)detailed work regarding trumps financial rot and corruption was & is vital.

David Brooks, BedBugBrett Stephenson and Maureen Dowd are to me deeply annoying and when they express an opinion piece thatI agree with, I am suprised. Brooks opinion piece here -https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/opinion/joe-biden-republicans.html-

has this amazing snip-"On the right, we have white supremacy, an effort to perpetuate America’s racial caste system, and Christian nationalism, an effort to define America in a way that erases the pluralism that actually exists."


IMO, upper management of the NYT is at current floundering badly and badly running their business. The twitter editor could use a great deal of assistance.


For the record, I also have a sub to tbe WaPo & am considering a sub to the LA Times b/c of their Pacific Ocean nations coverage.

[barbtries]

39. The NYTimes

regularly breaks really important stories. it is a damn shame that they also engage in this "gotta have a scandal" bullshit, particularly firing the reporter for what at the very worst MIGHT have warranted a talking to.

right after the 2016 election, i subscribed to WP, NYT, LAT, plus sent money to i don't know how many other media organizations. I think I was trying to make sure the 1st amendment wasn't trashed by trump all by myself. When I lost my job, I let everything but WP go. Recently I subscribed to the Atlantic. I also subscribe to my local paper the News and Observer.

I'd consider subscribing to the LAT again, especially since that's where i'm from, but the NYT made it so hard for me to cancel my subscription that it left a bitter taste in my mouth. Plus, they have exactly zero free articles per month. It's a shame, really. If they're going to do that, I wish they'd give people a chance to pay for content that's really important, like the 1619 project.

They still send me daily emails but when i click, i can't see the content, only a solicitation to subscribe. pisses me off. I tried clicking the link to the opinion piece you shared and got "page not found."

[irisblue]

52. the 1619 Project is on a PDF, you can read it. Also there are ways to read NYT articles for free

One way to read is empty your cache and open an incognito tab.

I know you cannot comment if you have not created a free account with them.

[barbtries]

58. i have an account.

thanks for the info I will download the 1619 pdf

[Kali]

47. I have some issues with the NYT but the big picture is important

and they are part of it so yeah, I too am a progressive liberal Democrat and have a subscription. also to the WaPo. there are a few others that are still functional as you noted. I can't afford all that I would like to support but my third is the Guardian.

[uponit7771]

60. Currently NYT is not helping, racist terrorist want to kill Americans they're being petty for the ..

... sake of looking impartial

[Hekate]

63. Thank you

[Wellstone ruled]

2. That is why that paper is called

"The Grey Lady". Should be called the Wishy Washy Rag.

[UpInArms]

3. Have not been able to read Maureen Dowd since

She badmouthed Gore for wearing “earth tones”

These sideways smears become full blown crap in seconds

[Dem4Life1102]

5. Her column is like

reading a spoiled teenager’s slam book.

[paleotn]

22. Seriously. I've not read Dowd in decades.

Why NYT continues to employee her I have no idea. Filler I guess.

[barbtries]

40. i barely know who she is.

guess i haven't read much to recommend her lol

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

6. How long did it take them to fire Judith Miller again....? nt

[OMGWTF]

14. About 35 Friedman Units

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. .

[yonder]

21. ...

[Voltaire2]

7. 3. was technically correct.

She broke the rules and got fired. Harsh but not out of bounds.

But the two hit pieces on Biden are just stunning. 4 years of malfeasance, treachery, corruption and ineptitude culminating in an attempted coup, and the NYT seems to think the peloton bike and the rolex watch are newsworthy.

[Dem4Life1102]

8. What rules did she break?

[barbtries]

42. she got chills

when Biden arrived for his inauguration, and shared it on twitter.

that's it.

[Dem4Life1102]

44. So what?

Depends on interpretation. And since when does the NYT have rules?

[barbtries]

45. so she got fired for it.

that's what.

[Dem4Life1102]

50. So that's over the line but

allowing a reporter to alter a quote from a candidate for president is not?

[barbtries]

57. i don't know what you're talking about

with that comment.

[Dem4Life1102]

61. Kit Seelye

Who still works for the Times.

https://www.mediamatters.org/new-york-times/serial-misinformer-kit-seelye-reportedly-set-become-ny-times-web-political

[drmeow]

66. Still not sure what the rule is

I'm assuming expressing a personal opinion on twitter but I'd kinda need to know more to know whether she actually broke the rule or not.

[Bigredhunk]

9. IKR

Why don't they just go full RW like WATIMES and make the troglodytes happy. Their readership will go down a bunch, but they won't have to acquiesce to the right anymore b/c they'll be doing everything for them already.

[TreasonousBastard]

10. Does anyone here actually read the Times, or just read the complaints about it?

[Turin_C3PO]

11. I used to be a regular

subscriber until they went full on ridiculous about Hillary’s emails. Multiple front page stories seemingly every day. It was nauseating.

[marble falls]

12. Not defending the Times. But a lot of papers that should know better wee'd all over themselves ...

... especially at Comey's announcement that Anthony Weiner has access to her e-mails.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

51. In NYT's Hillary Clinton Coverage, An Obsession With 'Clouds' And 'Shadows'

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/new-york-times-cloud-shadow-clinton-coverage

[paleotn]

23. I read it, and Wapo plus a few others.

Some NYT's columnists are good. Krugman is a joy. Some suck. It runs the gamut.

[barbtries]

43. i do miss Krugman. nt

[Politicub]

31. I read or browse it every day

It has some of the best writing and reporting of any daily newspaper.

I think the articles about the watch and things are silly, but overall inline with covering style for the inauguration week — it’s more than beautiful dresses that women wear. But you have to keep in mind they are dissecting the Biden administration in any way that they can because people are hungry for news about him, and he isn’t making provocative tweets or moves to cover. They are also online, and know that some types of fluff articles get picked up.

The watch and Peloton news will sink fast.

[mtnsnake]

13. This thread sounds like something out of a GOP knitting club meeting.

Some people seem to forget that the NYT has been one of the best allies of liberalism over all the years.

[irisblue]

18. Surely some DUers recall Oct 2016-NYT told trump, in essence, See Ya In Court

Here is the letter sent Thursday by New York Times general counsel David McCraw to Marc Kasowitz, the lawyer for Donald Trump demanding a retraction for a Times report about two women who say Trump touched them inappropriately.

Dear. Mr. Kasowitz:
I write in response to your letter of October 12, 2016 to Dean Baquet concerning your client Donald Trump, the Republican Party nominee for President of the United States. You write concerning our article "Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately" and label the article as "libel per se." You ask that we "remove it from [our] website, and issue a full and immediate retraction and apology." We decline to do so.

The essence of a libel claim, of course, is the protection of one's reputation. Mr. Trump has bragged about his non-consensual sexual touching of women. He has bragged about intruding on beauty contestants in their dressing rooms. He acquiesced to a radio host's request to discuss Mr. Trump's own daughter as a "piece of ass." Multiple women not mentioned in our article have publicly come forward to report on Mr. Trump's unwanted advances. Nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on the reputation that Mr. Trump, through his own words and actions, has already created for himsel

But there is a larger and much more important point here. The women quoted in our story spoke out on an issue of national importance -- indeed, an issue that Mr. Trump himself discussed with the whole nation watching during Sunday night's presidential debate. Our reporters diligently worked to confirm the women's accounts. They provided readers with Mr. Trump's response, including his forceful denial of the women's reports. It would have been a disservice not just to our readers but to democracy itself to silence their voices. We did what the law allows: We published newsworthy information about a subject of deep public concern. If Mr. Trump disagrees, if he believes that American citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that the law of this country forces us and those who would dare to criticize him to stand silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight.

Sincerely,
David McCraw

October 13
NEW YORK


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/us/politics/donald-trump-lawsuit-threat.html

[mtnsnake]

24. That was awesome. And surely some recall more recently how the NYT busted Trump on his taxes.

[irisblue]

37. David Enrich has dug up some of the bodies ...He broke the Deutsch Bank info

Link to tweet

The NY State AG is surely closely following.

[Turin_C3PO]

33. They often have good journalism

but in 2016 they gave an insane amount of oxygen to the Hillary email “scandal”. It was so bad that I canceled my subscription.

[Politicub]

34. The appearance of omg-NYT-oh-my-stars posts are predictable.

But I’ve been a NYT reader for 25 years and look forward to it.

They break a lot more hard news than people give them credit for.

[Dem4Life1102]

38. Best allies?

Were they the one of the best allies when they dredged up the closed Whitewater investigation, despite the Republican Attorney General of Arkansas saying they didn’t break any laws, to attack the Clintons?

Were they one of the best allies when one of their reporters in 2000 altered a quote by Al Gore in order to attack him?

Were they one of the best allies when the printed propaganda from the Bush administration to justify the invasion of Iraq and suppressed any opposing information?

Were they one of the best allies when one of their columnists repeatedly called Obama obambi?

Were they one of the best allies when they printed so many distortions about Hillary Clinton’s emails that they had to issue multiple corrections and retractions?

[mtnsnake]

46. Like I said, "the NYT has been one of the best allies of liberalism over all the years"

maybe not in the examples that you just referred to, but overall they've been fantastic in covering the truth and exposing the lies and corruption.

Just because a liberal news source like the NYT doesn't meet your expectations 100% of the time, it's no reason to trash them as if they were Fox News. Overall, the NYT is one of the best around. That's why the right wing hates them more than just about any other newspaper.

[Dem4Life1102]

48. No my issues is not them not meeting expectations

But their repeated pattern of printing lies and distortions to attack liberals and democrats as well as making attacks based on trivial bs. They need to be called out when they betray the truth, turning a blind eye just condones it.

[mtnsnake]

64. Are you sure you have the right newspaper?

You make it sound like all they do is lie through their teeth.

[Dem4Life1102]

65. Yes I am

And they do a lot.

[bringthePaine]

17. been ignoring that toiletpaper since Judy Miller and her "yellowcake" lie-fest - FUCK 'EM

[onetexan]

19. This is pathetic journalism. Here are some good responses to this trash

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/new-york-times-called-out-for-long-column-all-about-joe-bidens-rolex-watch-for-the-times-they-are-a-trollin/

Link to tweet

I hope President Biden owns many Rolex watches. I hope Rolex decides to gift him with another one engraved with the president's seal as a momento of his first term.

[milestogo]

20. We got so used to an unsightly blob with no exercise bike.

Its a tough adjustment.

[yonder]

27. And likely no analog watch as well.

Trouble with big hands and little hands.

[badboy67]

25. Manufactured outrage.

Little better than the Enquirer.

[paleotn]

30. Ummm, a lot better than the Enquirer.

Perfect? No. Some on staff are morons? Yes. Enquirer level? Not hardly.

[aggiesal]

26. Cancelled my subscription with them, years ago, after Cheney leaked the fake Iraq WMD's intel. n/t

[gulliver]

28. They and the Post are great.

True, they occasionally post stuff that is stupid and arrogant, but by and large they have good standards. The Times and WaPo are bedrocks. Trump would still be president if not for them.

[mtnsnake]

32. THIS

[Turin_C3PO]

35. WaPo is very good.

NYT can be but they play the “both sides” game too much for my taste. Plus their awful coverage of Hillary’s emails.

[Politicub]

36. I'm fortunate that the local library provides digital subscriptions to NYT

to people in the county.

The Post is amazing, too, but I’m not a subscriber.

[USALiberal]

67. +1000

[paleotn]

29. They attempt to be neither liberal nor conservative....

Opinion columns run the spectrum from Kristof, Krugman and Blow to Brooks. Even the nutty like Maureen Dowd. Sometimes they publish stupid shit, but every paper does. So what if Biden has a rolex and a peloton? He and Dr. Biden are accomplished and have been around awhile. And it's not like they stole the money from unsuspecting Trump U dupes. Stupid, yes, but I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[LAS14]

53. I agree. If it were a progressive tabloid it wouldn't get the readership that might, might...

... educate some people.

[samnsara]

41. i have never read it nor do i intend to..i did give a shout out subscription to the Atlantic :)

[Paladin]

49. Ezra Klein's "Democrats DESERVE to lose if they..." column.

How many months has that thing been running? I know, I know, it's just been a matter of days, but it's so typical of the "liberal" NYT opinions these days. Beyond irritating.

[rocktivity]

54. 4. Finally decided that Biden supporters are newsworthy

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Raw Story: I've written a lot about the New York Times' years-long obsession with documenting every passing thought from Trump Voters, even in the wake of Trump's lopsided election defeat. Where are the Biden Vote stories, I and others have wondered?

...The NY Times being the NY Times, they do have to find contrary opinions (“fairNbalanced”) and they are trying to frame Biden as reluctant to impeach. This rather goes against the thrust of his inaugural speech which seemed to hint strongly that those who lie for power will not get the free ride they’ve been enjoying.

It is, after all, not Biden’s job to call for impeachment — that responsibility lies with Congress...

rocktivity

[KY_EnviroGuy]

55. Good rebuttal posted on Twitter....

Link to tweet

Text:

Hamish Mitchell @H_MitchellPhoto

Joe Biden owns a Rolex? Whoopty doo.

Donald Trump owns a Lindsey Graham.

1:57 AM · Jan 24, 2021

KY..........

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

69. Ha!

Good one.

Kidding aside, the M$M both-sidesing the insurrectionist party and the Dems is irresponsible and dangerous.

[pnwmom]

56. All of this pales in comparison to the NY Times report by Katie Benner.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html

[Pompoy]

59. I subscribe to the NYT and the WaPo, and the Boston Globe

The NYT has the the best resources to investigate, they aren't supposed to be on one side or the other. They aren't there to tilt the scales. What happens is that Democrats are fallible too, especially the Clintons, even though I love Hillary, and the Times have a duty to dig in for the truth otherwise they lose credibility.
It's very inconvenient at times, but like the Rolex story, I didn't see an attack there, nothing there to criticize Biden with on that.
The guy likes his Corvette, aviator glasses and his Rolex, nothing extravagant, just good stuff.
The newspaper's job is to come up with stories people would want to read, while making sure the stories are factual and they are in position to report and investigate the great issues and events.

[Dem4Life1102]

62. Is that why they had to publish numerous corrections to

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stories about Clinton’s emails? Or that they published Bush administration propaganda to justify the invasion of Iraq? Great investigation there. Then suppressed anything that disputed the administration case such as the Downing Street memos. Great digging in to the truth on that. Or how about letting one of their reporters change a quote by Al Gore to attack him. Good job making sure their stories are factual.

[live love laugh]

71. Why then didn't they report Trump's and other Republicans' "hobbies"?

If they have “the best resources to investigate”?

How much investigation does it take to do a story about a watch?

[Denzil_DC]

68. ... and had Maggie Haberman filling the well-deserved gap in Trump's communication apparatus

by serving as his conduit to the outside world.

[betsuni]

70. K&R