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Mon Feb 8, 2021, 07:51 PM

I just had a thought. Some Trumpers are former Democrats angry at losing good jobs

and neither party working to fix that. Many of these voted for Obama. What happens if there are bitter nomination races between Business Republicans and Trump Republicans, and the Trump Republican candidate loses? Will the former democratic voting bitter Trumpers split and vote for Union Joe Biden and the Democrats?

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Reply I just had a thought. Some Trumpers are former Democrats angry at losing good jobs (Original post)
applegrove Feb 8 OP
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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 07:55 PM

1. Most of the Ds I know that switched to trump suffer from

at least a little bit of white privilege. They are pissed that they can't get ahead, but they didn't finish college, even when mom & dad would pay for it. They don't understand why they are stuck.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 08:05 PM

2. One thing is there are no longer the kind of jackoff jobs we had back when I started working

full time. Beverage distributors are a good example. We had a bunch more locally owned and operated distributors in my town back then. Most of them had what were semi-retired older guys they called supervisors or assistant managers. They were notorious for doing nothing most of the time. We slammed them, but most of us thought that if we stuck it out that long, we'd like to have that job, so it was okay.

Now when us guys would be in that position, those jobs are gone. Much of the distribution comes from a bigger city 100 miles away, or like the Budweiser distributor I worked for, the main operation is up there and the old warehouse is just like a depot. They have local drivers to deliver, but that's about it. The office staff and warehouse crew are long gone.

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Response to brewens (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 08:12 PM

3. They weren't all jackoff jobs. The buyer at a local stationary store was

working hard. The sellers at the trade shows appreciated them. The clerk behind the counter who had been there 20 years and knew all the products was working hard.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:06 PM

8. Thank You !!! nt

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:03 PM

4. Democrats ALWAYS work to create good jobs. I reject the

initial premise. The more power we have and time in power, the more success. After irresponsibly nearly destroying our nation over 80 years ago, chastened and hurting voters gave Democrats and FDR control of the presidency and both houses of congress for 12 years! THAT's what made the New Deal advances possible. Smarts developed from learning hard lessons the hard way.

As for those who went to Trump in 2020, we have your answer. Many realized they'd made a horrible mistake and came back in 2018 and 2020. Others still had a problem with the Democratic Party's commitment to "too much" equality, women as well as minority races, and stayed with the party of white male power and human rights atrocities.

Okay. The inability of good people to attract those both mean and stupid is not failure. The Republicans get those.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:41 PM

5. THANK YOU!

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:50 PM

18. So very well said Hortensis.

I've nothing to add.


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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 11:10 PM

24. Mahalo, Hortensis! The Traitor is the one who

Lost the GD jobs with his spewing The Virus was a "..democrat hoax.. " for 70 days.." while carting his Bloated Ass around the golf course.

& then Refusing to lead(ha) in following COVID Protocol to Protect People..

These Lives & Jobs LOST are on the fucking Orange ,Fascist Hell Monster.

Okay. The inability of good people to attract those both mean and stupid is not failure. The Republicans get those.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 09:49 PM

6. No, many did not vote for Obama. And they are racist. Even they blame

minorities for trading things away from them after the Trump grift its not about jobs.

It's about wanting to keep minorities lower then them.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:13 PM

10. Because they are thinking with emotion (resentment) than with reason.

Last edited Tue Feb 9, 2021, 04:09 AM - Edit history (1)

When you put people in financial stress and anxiety they stop thinking with reason and start thinking with knee jerk emotion. They've done regression analysis on this. If Biden can improve jobs, some may step out of hate cults and start dreaming of the retirement they can now afford.

Here is a link to the link of the analysis published in a book:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=224787

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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:15 PM

11. Yes, they are thinking with their racism. Nothing you said excuses them being racist

assholes.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:19 PM

13. I was not excusing racism in any way.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:15 AM

59. May not be your intent, but you are.

Just stop it.

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Response to kcr (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:20 AM

62. Right so we are not to think about changing their reptilian brain voting.

I hear you. I'm for getting people to vote using reason not scapegoating.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:44 PM

16. They look for scapegoats.

Americans have lived most of the last century above the living standard of all the rest of the world in terms of jobs. The country is moving down toward the industrialized world mean. It is tougher for everyone to get the great jobs of yesterday, there are simply fewer of them due to other nations catching up with us, and due to robotics and Artificial Intelligence.

I love to tell the following two stories, because I believe they illustrate how the world has changed because of automation and AI. When I was in my early twenties, banks used to have something like 7-10 tellers and several loan officers. Today, youíre keen if you see 3 tellers in a bank. Transferring money used to be a chore, it always involved a person or two handling the transaction, today a person can transfer thousands of dollars literally in the middle of the night, which is convenient for the person or company doing the transfer and the person or company on the other end, but automation killed off several jobs.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:55 PM

20. True. Automation takes jobs away. Boomers retiring opens them up.

Infrastructure too. Germany does well on jobs. They have more engineers than any nation. As the Chinese said of the 2007-2008 Financial crash and the USA "why would we take our smartest people, engineers, and turn them into financial experts to build tools take money away from the middle class and give it to the rich?". Plus infrastructure needs doing. Green jobs. Things can be done.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:44 AM

40. Why don't black and brown people, who are under more stress than these people, vote for Trump?

Probably because stress is not the reason these people are voting for Trump.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:49 AM

42. White people stress out and scapegoat. They were not voting their best

interest according to reason.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:54 AM

45. It depends on what their interests are

It's often said that these people are voting against their interests because we think their only interest is economic. While most of these people may be voting against their economic best interest, they have other interests that they're voting for and Trump and his crowd more than satisfy those particular concerns.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:03 PM

7. "neither party working to fix that"

That is a patently false assertion.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:18 PM

12. Democrats became debt fighters and third wayers because they partially bought into

Neoliberalism. The Clinton's came up with 'the third way' to describe it. Obama got snowed on deficit talk in 2010 and didn't have the power to make things better for workers after that. He should have been doing keynesian spending just after the financial crisis but republicans stopped that. Obama did use signing statements at the end of his term.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:23 PM

14. Clinton and Obama created jobs

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:56 PM

21. Union participation was gutted over the last 50 years.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 12:16 AM

26. Jobs were still created

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Response to JI7 (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:01 AM

27. Hillary promised $15 an hour jobs. Former Obama voters voted for

Trump because the didn't want $15 an hour jobs. They wanted $37 an hour jobs like they used to have and Trump promised to renegotiate trade, end immigration and bring jobs home.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:04 AM

29. No, There weren't that many Obama voters that voted for Trump . Those who voted for Trump

did so because they hate black people and other minorities .

They voted for him again even if he didn't give them those things. And they had continuously voted for other Republicans who openly opposed unions.

So none of this had to do with unions or jobs .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:07 AM

31. Look at post 25. People blamed the Clintons for trade deals.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:11 AM

33. WHo cares. They can claim many things. I look at their actions and they voted for Free Trade

Republicans over Democrats who were pro union and opposed free trade.

They also claim they aren't racist and they are great christians and many other things.

I look at what they do. They regularly vote for REpublicans that support Free Trade.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:13 AM

35. I'm only talking about people who voted for Obama and then Trump.

Biden can win them back. Business Republicans can alienate them by beating a Trump Republican nominee. That is my OP.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:15 AM

36. Biden already won more White Men than OBama because Biden is a White Man

It has nothing to do with issues. It's about identity . There are white men who may be willing to vote Democratic but only for other white men .

Also Biden was picked to make certain white people feel better abotu voting for Obama.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:08 AM

32. I'm only talking about the people who voted Obama then Trump.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:12 AM

34. There aren't many people who did that . And voting for Obama doesn't mean one can't be racist

Obama's first run for PResident included HIM apologizing for things like REve wright .

When Obama started talking about racism being real he lost white support which he never got back.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:38 AM

37. Here is an article on the Obama Trump voters. These are the people

my OP is about. Biden won some of them back. But not all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/obama-trump-counties/

Obama won Ohio twice. Trump won it twice. https://www.270towin.com/states/Ohio

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Response to applegrove (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:59 AM

46. Biden got more white voters than Obama . I don't believe many who claim they voted for Obama

and if they voted for Trump and especially if they voted for him again which most of his voters did than they aren't voting on jobs .

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:59 PM

22. Exactly.. WTH!

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Response to Cha (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:04 AM

28. Hillary promised $15 dollars an hour jobs. The people who voted for Obama and then Trump did so

because they were not interested in $15 an hour. They wanted $37 an hour jobs and Trump promised different trade deals, getting rid of immigrants and bringing jobs home.

Look at this responce.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=15074459

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Response to applegrove (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:43 AM

39. You keep posting that...

 

That isnít exactly correct. Hillary promised good jobs to replace coal miners jobs with clean energy related jobs. Those were not $15/hr jobs.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:48 AM

41. She kept saying $15 an hour. Point is Democrates didn't rock labour

rights and so disaffected voters with missing financial security went populist. Again i am only talking about Obama then Trump voters.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:52 AM

43. Ummm she was on that train before anyone else was.

 

Why TF are we bashing Hillary for being ahead of the curve on this? What the ever loving christ is going on here????

She had more plans for jobs than just the $15/hr.

Something sure stinks here!

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:09 AM

47. $15 min wage is great. The Obama Trump voters were interested in good

Union wages that Hillary did not focus on enough. So they went to vote Trump because he ran against the elite who were in power when unions declined. He promised new trade deals. He promised no immigrants. He promised to turn america back. They got conned by him. Benefits went only to the rich.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:53 AM

44. Oh and Obama and Biden saved the damn auto industry!!!

 

Seriously what is going on with this thread?

Are people losing their minds?

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:09 AM

48. Try reading the OP. I am saying people will go back to Democrats.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:57 AM

56. "When I launched my campaign for President in June 2015, I specifically mentioned Coal Country

and the need to help distressed communities make the transition to a more sustainable economic future. It was a call I'd repeat in nearly every speech I gave, all over the country. I also got to work developing the detailed plan to invest $30 billion in revitalizing coal communities ... . Consulting with national experts and local leaders, my team came up with great ideas for new incentives to attract jobs and industries to Appalachia, improving infrastructure and broadband internet, training programs that would lead to real jobs instead of worthless certificates, and more support for schools and students. We also worked with the United Mine Workers of America union on steps to hold the coal companies accountable and guarantee health care and a secure retirement for miners and their families. I spoke out publicly when the union said it would be helpful, and I exerted pressure behind the scenes when needed. In the end, Peabody Energy, one of the biggest coal companies, agreed to extend benefits for more than twelve thousand retired miners and their families. If I had won the election I would have used the full power of federal government to do even more. No other candidate came close to this level of attention to the real challenges facing coal communities."

Just one example (From "What Happened." )

It's someone else who always talks about $15.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:04 AM

57. During the nomination race Hillary was not for $15. She changed her mind.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #57)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:10 AM

58. "She kept saying $15 an hour."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:18 AM

60. In the Presidential election of 2016. In the nomination race not so much.

With Trump voters were are talking about the Presidential election.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:22 AM

64. The most often used word in her speeches was "jobs," not $15.

She wasn't stuck on fifteen dollars as some sort of magical number, which of course it isn't.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:19 AM

61. You're describing a pretty typical, racist right winger

Doesn't care about the minimum wage? Wants to get rid of immigrants? That's every racist right-winger I've ever heard of. They voted for Trump? What a shock. This isn't hard.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:12 PM

9. I don't believe that many Dems jumped ship to Trump.

Trump just stirred up the rubes more than they were before. More came out to vote in '16 and '20.
I know that Trump's appeal isn't only with the working class. He has all the socio-economic bases covered.
It's a very different mentality that sees what they want in a Trump-type.

Trump is a dumb guy's idea of a smart guy, and a weakling's idea of a tough guy.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:25 PM

15. Close...but no cigar.

Many voted Republican because of "culture" and the belief lower taxes meant more income. Add to that, they saw their union as corrupt...and sadly, they weren't wrong in a number of cases. May have not been wide spread...but as they say, one bad apple...

Finally, we've shot ourselves in the foot a few times in rejoicing in job losses or industry declines for certain blue collar jobs, like coal. The GOP picks up on that and messages it very well, despite the fact we introduce programs to transition to better paying jobs. And lets acknowledge the gorilla in the room, changing career paths will always make one anxious and apprehensive. And even with better pay, not all want to change. We need to do a better job in this area.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:49 PM

17. Yes, just look at Unions still wanting that pipeline

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 10:53 PM

19. You have to look no further than how a democratic consultant or

candidate frames a policy or response to a question. Our side use one or more paragraphs, with the answer somewhere in it. Republican political consultants use one or two sentences, often use only a phrase, because it doesnít require much thinking, it is picked up be large numbers of voters.

Study Rick Wilson carefully, we really need to because one day he is going to be back on the other side. He seldom use more than two sentences to frame an issue, your attention is riveted to those to sentences and they have all the substance the message that he is trying to transmit needs.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 08:22 PM

72. Reminds me of the Norma Rae movie.

The Union organizer says he got all the words down to two syllables in his pamphlet...she responds by saying "better make it one"

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 11:01 PM

23. I don't believe for a minute that that is a significant part of the Trump voting base

People aren't supporting Trump because they're out of work.

I do think that a lot of people are supporting Trump because they're out of work and think that black and brown people are responsible for their plight. But they were racists before. And I don't think many of them voted for Obama, although they might claim to so people will think they're not racists.

And they can stay right over there with Trump. Democrats don't need them and aren't going to get them unless they can cater to their white supremacism.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Mon Feb 8, 2021, 11:15 PM

25. Most would not have voted Obama.

They sure as hell would not vote for a Clinton. Many blame Clinton for the jobs lost to trade agreements. The dislike is toxic on that score.

Early on Trump might have been an option over Hillary for that group. However, to make the excuses for his bad behavior, lies, grift etc is still a bafflement to me.

They can be won back, but I think that is more a push against RW propaganda than actual policy.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:06 AM

30. But they have been voting for Republicans for Congress who support Free Trade

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:40 AM

38. I'n sorry... Wtf?

 

Both parties not working to fix the lost jobs?

Say what?????

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:16 AM

50. Good jobs. In the last 50 years Germany has put union reps in the boardroom.

The US did not. US lost good union jobs.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 09:51 AM

68. Ok but that is a far cry different.

 

For some reason you are tearing down Democrats that have worked to get Jobs back having to rebuild the economy after every republican president for the last 40 years or more. You are stomping all over the rules of this site for some reason. And you are doing it with half truths and leaving out a ton of context while doing so. Why?

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Response to applegrove (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 09:57 AM

69. Also what do Democratic politicians have to do with

 

Also what do Democratic politicians have to do with putting people in boardrooms????

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Response to applegrove (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 09:03 PM

73. That's not moving the goalposts from your OP

It is however, constructing an entirely new goalpost and placing it in an entirely different town, and pretending its the same as the original.

You're simply making a host of unsupported assertions abut what voters did and why they did it using nothing more than the anecdotal "see post 25" as though it somehow validates your conclusion.

It does not. Provide us with hard data followed by an objective and critical analysis of those numbers; otherwise, your allegations are little more than that.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:12 AM

49. "Whites who did not attend college were evenly split between the two parties in Pew surveys

conducted from 1992 to 2008. But by 2015, white voters who had a high school degree or less were 24 percentage points more likely to be Republicans than Democrats. ... Meanwhile, whites with a college degree shifted toward the Democratic Party. Thus, the increasing alignment between education and whites' party identification -- also known as the 'diploma divide' -- was largely a phenomenon of the Obama era and preceded the 2016 campaign itself."

Why? Race. "For many years, whites with less formal education had not mapped their views about race onto their political views. Because they tended to follow politics less closely, they had not fully learned or internalized the long-standing divisions between the Democratic and Republican Parties on civil rights and other issues related to race. But once Obama was in office, whites with less formal education became better able to connect racial issues to partisan politics."

Obama easily won in 2008 because of the Republican-caused Great Recession. "Even if voters did blame Obama, one would expect defections from the Democratic Party to reverse themselves as the economic recovery took hold, but instead the defections accelerated over the course of Obama's presidency. This is why racial attitudes appear the most likely culprit. ... The economy had improved since the Great Recession and voters realized it, but their assessment of Obama and the country were less favorable than the economy alone might have predicted. At the same time, however, there was little evidence of any increase in 'voter anger' leading into the election year -- and no clear signs of a 'change election' predicated on growing anger." Trump voters changed their opinion of the economy pretty much overnight from when 2016 to 2017.

In the VOTER Survey, no relationship between views of trade and voting. "Republicans became more opposed to free trade agreements during the campaign, suggesting that they changed their views of trade to match Trump's rather than drawing on their views of trade to choose a presidential candidate."

From Sides, Tesler, Vavreck, "Identity Crises, The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America"



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Response to betsuni (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:17 AM

51. So Trump found the grievance and then shared it with white voters

without college diplomas who increasingly voted republican. My point is we democrats can get some of that populist vote back.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:25 AM

53. The issues they were angry about was race and other social issues. NOT jobs .

It was about race for them.

Trump didn't do anything to get the jobs you keep talking about yet they supported him and continue to support him. They were positive about the economy once Trump came in even if he didn't do anything about the jobs you keep claiming they care about.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:45 AM

55. In Germany 80 years ago 1/3 of Germans killed another 1/3 of germans

while another third watched. Populism can be terribly dangerous. Trump foment the racism to become a populist. Some of his voters had voted for Obama. Not a lot. Some. Race had not been the defining factor in their lives lately until Trump came along and put a megaphone to Republicans dog whistle on race. Yes the obama Trump voters suffered from implicite racism. But it is not how they defined themselves. 60 something % of people agreed with BLM after the George Floyd murder at the hands of authorities. Some of those people were Trump voters. I am not saying these people are good, or not racist, I'm saying they may vote Dem again if their cult leader's candidate loses a nomination race because Biden is going to do great things for good jobs and that will bring them back to earth and away from unhinged hate if there only choice is greedy Business Republicans or Biden and good paying jobs. And they might like it. And like Kamala as VP. A learn a thing or two about the danger of cults.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:21 AM

52. Most of the people I know who are Trumpers fall into two categories.

The first is people who have really shitty jobs. We're talking fast food drive thru clerks and ticket takers and bus boys and dish washers. And these are the people who think they are going to strike it rich so they support the political equivalent of the get rich quick scheme and fast fix lifestyle.

The second one is upper managers and business owners who have nice houses and giant trucks and boats and expensive luxury cars. These are the ones who who probably have made money legitimately but acquired most of their wealth through inheritance (which they refuse to pay taxes on). And these are the ones who own multiple big screen TVs and they are all turned to Fox News 24/7. They are addicted to the cult and refuse to live in the world outside the bubble.

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Response to Initech (Reply #52)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:37 AM

54. The second group is the most common one. And i'm also sure they have gotten a lot of Govt money

through fraud . Many of those people got those PPP loans and i'm sure they have a history of getting other govt support which was supposed to go to others in more need but they got it through fraud .

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Response to JI7 (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:37 AM

70. I am surrounded by these people.

And most of them have Fox News or worse on in the house 24/7. I kind of feel sorry for the kids if they have any.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:22 AM

63. Sorry. No one is buying the "economic anxiety" bullshit anymore.

Especially not after 1/6.

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Response to kcr (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:28 AM

65. It was a study. It was regression analysis. It was predictable that if

you got rid of good paying union jobs and increased inequality people would become more unhinged and more vulnerable to a populist who played to baser instincts. There are books on this analysis.

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Response to kcr (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:28 AM

66. +1

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Response to kcr (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 03:40 AM

67. Here is a link to a link of the analysis.

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Response to applegrove (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:42 AM

71. I think that there aren't that many

who truly voted Obama then voted Trump. Iím sure thereís some but I doubt itís a significant block of voters. Sadly, most Trump voters support him due to racism whether they realize it or not.

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