Judge: Florida school had no duty to predict student danger

[SheltieLover]

https://www.localmemphis.com/mobile/article/news/nation-world/florida-school-had-no-duty-to-predict-student-danger/507-7ee15f65-87eb-4d7b-b242-06149cd823aa

Judge: Florida school had no duty to predict student danger
A judge said the Broward County school district can't be held liable for failing to predict actions that were beyond its control.

Author: Associated Press
Published: 8:26 AM CST February 9, 2021
Updated: 8:26 AM CST February 9, 2021

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla — A Florida judge has ruled that a local school district had no responsibility to warn students and faculty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School of the danger posed by a former student who would later be accused of a mass shooting that killed 17 people.

Broward Circuit Judge Patti Englander Henning said Monday that the Broward County school district cannot be held liable for failing to predict actions that were beyond its control, the South Florida SunSentinel reported.

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“The District had no control over Cruz,” the judge ruled. “They did not have custody over him. He was not a student in the system and had not been for over a year. In fact, he was refused access to the campus once he left school. Nor did the district have pre-knowledge of a definitive threat by Cruz.”

Then they should not be allowed to legally require students to attend school there, imo.

More at link.

[no_hypocrisy]

1. I don't get it. Courts have ruled that psychiatrists, psychologists, etc.

have the duty to warn of patients' inherent and impending danger to others. There's more of a confidentiality component involved with this situation versus a school.

[SheltieLover]

3. Absolutely!

And in some states TN being one of them, every adult is a mandated reporter!

So if a school soc worker, counselor or psychologist had seen that murderer, they would have had a world of mess on their hands.

School & district personnel KNOW who trouble makers are! They deal with them daily.

So why isn't there a "do not admit" list with pictures?

Well, the shitbags' identities must be protected.

[niyad]

2. Who appointed that judge?

[SheltieLover]

5. Elected. Ran unopposed!

https://ballotpedia.org/Patti_Englander_Henning

[niyad]

7. Thank you.

[SheltieLover]

8. Yw.

Guessing another qpube denying liability to victims.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

4. Exactly how should the school have known he'd

show up with a gun and start shooting?

It would actually make far more sense to hold the gun manufacturers and sellers responsible when someone uses their gun to kill.

[SheltieLover]

6. Pls read #3 👆

While it is possible for such murders to occur with school & district personnel unaware of oppisitional traits, conduct disorder & anti-social behavior, it is VERY RARE.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

9. Nice idea, but probably impractical.

Do you really think that it's practical for every entrance to be guarded by someone with a bunch of pictures of those not allowed in, and letting people in one by one?

But more to the point, there was truly no way for the school to have predicted this. Or pretty much any other school shooting that has happened in recent decades.

The more fundamental issue is guns. I'm sorry, but everyone who says we can't possibly deprive people of their right to own weapons of mass destruction is really saying it's okay for these shootings to happen. Take away the guns. Don't expect schools or workplaces to have a crystal ball and be able to foresee who will show up armed one day and kill a bunch of people.

And while we're at it, let's actually show pictures of the damage inflicted by high-powered guns.

[SheltieLover]

10. In many schools, students OPEN DOORS to allow outsiders to enter.

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Yes, assault weapons should be banned, but why are school doors not ALL alarmed to alert everyone that an unapproved person has entered?

Generally, there are 2 entrances to schools in the morning: bus riders & those who drive, walk, etc.

So, yes, it is entirely possible to monitor those who enter.

This murderer likely has QUITE a lengthy disciplinary history, as evidenced by the fact that he was not allowed there after leaving the school.

Why not publicize it?

Allowing the school & district to avoid liability only emboldes others to repeat mass murders of innocebt children.

Trust me, school personnel KNEW he was a threat!

[Wellstone ruled]

11. Sad to say,

after decades of watching how Politics and Religion screw up School Boards and launch Wannabe Politicians. One can understand the how and why of School massacres.

Our local School Board went from the Model District to a also run operation launching two Board members as local Politico's while both had Problem Children in the same School System,bullying and creating classroom issues with zero intervention because Mommy was a Board Member.

Have to say,we got lucky having three Kids attending the same Junior and Senior Highs at the same time. And yes,we did go toe to toe with Superintendents with zero results.

Building Staff as well as Teachers knew .

[SheltieLover]

12. Yes, they knew!

And protected his identity as a potential threat!

Glad your kids were together in school so they could look out for each other!

[Wellstone ruled]

13. We are proud to say,

our Kids,like others,formed groups for self protection . The one Bully was on the watch list since Elementary,but,Mommy was the Teacher's Union President at the time. Then she was elected to the Board and later to a Mayor Position of our City. Each move made her Son more Bold in his actions.

A similiar situation was happening with the other Student only in another Part of the District. Once again Mommy made it on to the Board and became a City Council Member in the Neighboring City. Once again her Son became more aggressive.

In each case,School Staff tried to remove these Kids,but,Mommy put the kibosh on that.

[SheltieLover]

14. No doubt!

One of my kids was once harassed & physically assaulted by the child of woman who ran Girl Scout cookid drive.

Hmmm...

Best defense is a strong offense, so I taught basic self-defense.

One more time the bully tried. Got ass beat to a pulp. Problem solved.

Principal had the gall to issue a detention. I marched into office & castigated that self-sanctimonous sob, tore up the detention slip, threw it at him & told him to go fuck himself.

[Wellstone ruled]

15. There is Justice for some of the Bullies.

Mayor's Son did not see it coming. Mommy tried using the Court System to accuse people of attacking her son and even tried to use the local PD in a effort to punish her Son's Perceived so called attackers.

We later found out whom might have been the ones who made Attitude Adjustments on this Kid. Football Team Members were mentioned. Interesting bit is,this all went down on Class Graduation Night.

[SheltieLover]

16. Wahahaha!

That must've been fun to watch unfold.

[Wellstone ruled]

17. Number one Son

left his Graduation Party early with some of his Bud's. Next morning the Kid had a smile like a Cat that ate the Bird. Did not want to know.

[SheltieLover]

18. Good for him!!!!!

[Wellstone ruled]

19. All of these Guy's

were Classmates since Kindergarten. Including the Bully.

[SheltieLover]

20. I'll bet that was the best grad gift to 5ake him down!

[Wellstone ruled]

21. Always left that dog alone.

One of his Bud's clued us in several months later as to the time and place. Never a discussion since.

[SheltieLover]

22. Lol

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Ty for sharing a happy ending to a sordid tale.