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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,234 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:54 PM Feb 2021

Capitol rioters scramble to trash photos and social media posts showing they were part of mob

Dozens of Capitol rioters who previously proudly documented their involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection for social media are now scrambling to delete photos and posts pointing to their presence at the Capitol on that day, according to CNN.

The news outlet reported that FBI affidavits and court documents reveal that nearly 30 previously identified rioters have allegedly attempted to get rid of evidence on their social media profiles and have also destroyed physical evidence.

Several rioters have reportedly smashed their phones, wiped hard drives and deleted photos. One man allegedly stole a police officer's body camera and another woman had her children delete photos off of their phones, moves that could result in additional charges, CNN noted.

"If the Justice Department has made a specific factual allegation in a court filing of any type, then you can bet they have that factual assertion amply backed up," CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Elie Honig, told the outlet.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/capitol-rioters-scramble-to-trash-photos-and-social-media-posts-showing-they-were-part-of-mob-report/ar-BB1dEEMW?li=BBnb7Kz

You guys shit your bed now sleep in it.

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Capitol rioters scramble to trash photos and social media posts showing they were part of mob (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2021 OP
Too late Tree-Hugger Feb 2021 #1
Agree. Worked for company with cloud storage that supported various cell phone iluvtennis Feb 2021 #32
destroying evidence. oops. TeamPooka Feb 2021 #2
Yep Lunabell Feb 2021 #7
That is what got Nixon. nt Blue_true Feb 2021 #51
This Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #14
They don't get how this internet thing works do they? hurple Feb 2021 #3
No they don't... KS Toronado Feb 2021 #11
Actually, no. Tommymac Feb 2021 #25
Thanks for those highlights. I read the article but sometimes the word fog prevents understanding. erronis Feb 2021 #29
+10 nt Good Read. nt reACTIONary Feb 2021 #33
Thanks, that was interesting & enlightening. KS Toronado Feb 2021 #34
The solution, if there is one, is a massive, well-funded, expertly-run Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2021 #43
We can always hope. nt Tommymac Feb 2021 #53
Middle class support of authoritarian movements has deep roots DBoon Feb 2021 #44
Thanks! Good points. nt Tommymac Feb 2021 #52
And yet Aviation Pro Feb 2021 #36
Never heard of the Wayback Machine? RainCaster Feb 2021 #35
A computer programmer downloaded 30 terabytes of Parler posts before it was taken down. theneworiginal Feb 2021 #41
Not exactly. A lot is missing from the archive. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2021 #54
It's like a series of tubes, right? CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #38
The internet is forever... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #4
You hit "REPLY ALL"??? bullwinkle428 Feb 2021 #5
Love your comment Wawannabe Feb 2021 #6
They thought Trump had everything all planned out and all they had to do was show up mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #8
The way you say it, sounds like something involving paradise with bunches of virgins... erronis Feb 2021 #30
So they waited for a month to do this? Doreen Feb 2021 #9
Morons. Nothing ever is deleted from the internet. Javaman Feb 2021 #10
Everything's on the server, chump. And you just got served. nt Hekate Feb 2021 #12
ha! good one! housecat Feb 2021 #20
It was like a fashion ball for the deplorables bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #13
Boy, you nailed it! orangecrush Feb 2021 #40
They know they are wrong nuxvomica Feb 2021 #15
The Feds have all the tracking information from their phones. roamer65 Feb 2021 #16
It's been more than a month, I'm sure the FBI and other authorities already have what they need..... George II Feb 2021 #17
They really don't know how things work. paleotn Feb 2021 #18
With the Orange Anus at the helm, they didn't have much to worry about. Different Sheriff in town. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #19
LOL, what is that Carole King sang? PatrickforO Feb 2021 #21
Facebook holds on to photos and content indefinitely. It doesn't matter if Politicub Feb 2021 #22
The phrase of the day isn't Stop the Steal but Cover Your Ass. Oldem Feb 2021 #23
Yes. Blue_true Feb 2021 #50
Innocent people wouldn't hide evidence that could exonerate them IronLionZion Feb 2021 #24
Now!?? A little slow on the uptake, are they not? BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #26
Slow, indeed. Once the FBI got all the phone numbers and locations from the cell towers, Nay Feb 2021 #42
Why would anyone have expected clear and critical thinking... maddiemom Feb 2021 #27
Pride goeth before the fall OMGWTF Feb 2021 #28
Screenshots are a glorious thing MyMission Feb 2021 #31
The internet is forever MustLoveBeagles Feb 2021 #46
Oh dear! Aussie105 Feb 2021 #37
Such conviction! BlueWavePsych Feb 2021 #39
The travesty is that none of them will be executed for what they've done. nt Progressive Jones Feb 2021 #45
Not that I ever would be ... Straw Man Feb 2021 #47
Thinking doesn't appear to be their strong suit. Blue_true Feb 2021 #49
Well, they can't cut off their faces. And if they put it on the NET, Blue_true Feb 2021 #48

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
1. Too late
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:58 PM
Feb 2021

Smash your phone all you want, dumbfucks. That's not how the internet works. Hope you all shut off Cloud services. But that's unlikely.

Even if you managed to wipe something, the mere fact that you made such a move will be used against you.

iluvtennis

(19,876 posts)
32. Agree. Worked for company with cloud storage that supported various cell phone
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:51 PM
Feb 2021

apps and we got subpoenas for our subscribers stored info many times.

Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
7. Yep
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:08 PM
Feb 2021

Destroying evidence can get you in more trouble than a misdemeanor. I think they call it obstruction.

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
14. This
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:47 PM
Feb 2021

They get caught destroying evidence they should be charged with it. This includes deleting photos.

KS Toronado

(17,346 posts)
11. No they don't...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:42 PM
Feb 2021

Qrump's base is uneducated deplorables with no critical thinking abilities who believe that Qrump is
such a stable genius that's he's doing all the thinking for them.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
25. Actually, no.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:11 PM
Feb 2021

This is a great read. Proves that not only low education QAnon were involved.

From The Atlantic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/


(My Bold)

The Capitol Rioters Aren’t Like Other Extremists
We analyzed 193 people arrested in connection with the January 6 riot—and found a new kind of American radicalism.


FEBRUARY 2, 2021
Robert A. Pape
Political-science professor at the University of Chicago
Keven Ruby
Senior research associate of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats

On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more “normal” Trump supporters—middle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far right—joined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election.

To understand the events of January 6 and devise solutions to prevent their recurrence, Americans need a fine-grained comprehension of who attacked the Capitol. Understanding the ideology and beliefs of those who commit political violence is important, but so is knowing what kind of people they are and what their lives are like.

snip...

Of these suspects, 193 have been charged with being inside the Capitol building or with breaking through barriers to enter the Capitol grounds. We focused our research on these 193. We compared our findings on these suspected insurrectionists with demographic data that we had previously compiled on the 108 individuals arrested by the FBI and local law-enforcement agencies around the country for violence related to right-wing political causes from 2015 to 2020. We used the same methodology to analyze both groups: Our team reviewed all court documents related to each arrest—which include criminal complaints, statement of facts, and affidavits—and conducted searches of media coverage of each arrestee. Four findings stand out.

snip...

Second, a large majority of suspects in the Capitol riot have no connection to existing far-right militias, white-nationalist gangs, or other established violent organizations. We erred on the side of inclusion; we counted an arrestee as affiliated with such an organization if any court documents or news articles describe the person as a member, refer to social-media posts expressing an affinity for a certain group, or attest to patches or apparel that directly indicate support.

snip...

Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations.

snip...

What’s clear is that the Capitol riot revealed a new force in American politics—not merely a mix of right-wing organizations, but a broader mass political movement that has violence at its core and draws strength even from places where Trump supporters are in the minority. Preventing further violence from this movement will require a deeper understanding of its activities and participants, and the two of us do not claim to know which political tactics might ultimately prove helpful. But Americans who believe in democratic norms should be wary of pat solutions. Some of the standard methods of countering violent extremism—such as promoting employment or waiting patiently for participants to mellow with age—probably won’t mollify middle-aged, middle-class insurrectionists. And simply targeting better-established far-right organizations will not prevent people like the Capitol rioters from trying to exercise power by force.



erronis

(15,355 posts)
29. Thanks for those highlights. I read the article but sometimes the word fog prevents understanding.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:39 PM
Feb 2021

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
43. The solution, if there is one, is a massive, well-funded, expertly-run
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:45 PM
Feb 2021

media campaign to counter the RW propaganda that causes millions to believe lies that make them angry and promotes misunderstanding of what the US Constitution is and what it says in relation to various commonly considered issues.

The campaign I have in mind would, for instance, popularize the notion that no one should support for high office a candidate who, like Trump, knows nothing of our Constitution. It would promote a more reasonable idea of what makes someone a "patriot."

Some of the techniques RWers use to sell lies & hate could be used to sell Democratic facts and love.

It might not affect the radicals that article describes, but it would isolate them and make it impossible for extremist RWers to gain political power.

Though not focused on a particular candidate, it would benefit all Democrats who run for office and draw support away from RW Rs.

Yeah, I know it's a pipe dream. Even if such a program could be created, it would require massive funding. If billionaires who are Dems didn't greedily side with Rs on issues that might make them less obscenely wealthy, they could and would fund such a campaign.

DBoon

(22,399 posts)
44. Middle class support of authoritarian movements has deep roots
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:33 PM
Feb 2021
The most extreme historical example, however, is undoubtedly the substantial public support for fascist regimes in the interwar years — which came not only from the lower middle classes but also from significant parts of the upper bourgeoisie. Terrified by the specter of communism, the middle classes across Europe flocked to right-wing strongmen, showing little commitment to the ideals of liberal democracy and parliamentarism. Autocrats like Mussolini, Franco and Hitler seemed to offer protection for their wealth. Carl Schmitt, Hitler’s notorious legal theorist, claimed that only a strong authoritarian state could guarantee the preservation of the propertied middle class.

Edvard Benes, the Czechoslovak liberal politician, observed in 1940 from his London exile: “The middle classes realized that political democracy, carried to its logical conclusion, could lead to social and economic democracy, and therefore began to see in the authoritarian regimes salvation from a social revolution of the working and peasant classes.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/opinion/middle-class-liberalism-populism.html

Aviation Pro

(12,188 posts)
36. And yet
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:16 PM
Feb 2021

They believe themselves constitutional scholars and epidemiologists.

They took a degree in dumb fuckery.

theneworiginal

(302 posts)
41. A computer programmer downloaded 30 terabytes of Parler posts before it was taken down.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:52 PM
Feb 2021

Now it's part of the FBI's investigations. She is a quiet hero in this process. What she did is a big reason that many of these "Patriots" will be prosecuted.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
54. Not exactly. A lot is missing from the archive.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 03:31 PM
Feb 2021

I know from personal experience trying to find older pages of various sites. Also,

Although there’s no guarantee that a missing page has been archived, the Internet Archive notes that the Wayback Machine has archived over 900 billion URLs and more than 400 billion web pages over its 23 year history.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/21154096/brave-browser-wayback-machine-404-internet-archive-lost-pages
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
8. They thought Trump had everything all planned out and all they had to do was show up
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:09 PM
Feb 2021

and I dunno ... kill everyone there I suppose ... and then they could live forever in paradise on Earth with Tangeranus as their God-Emperor.

They were 'The Storm' and 'The Plan' made flesh, you understand?

erronis

(15,355 posts)
30. The way you say it, sounds like something involving paradise with bunches of virgins...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:41 PM
Feb 2021

Dumb morons.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
9. So they waited for a month to do this?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:12 PM
Feb 2021

The moment you hit send/enter it is out there forever you insurrection idiots. You might be able to hide it from average computer users but the FBI has ways to easily find your so called deleted posts. These people are just stupid fucks.

These are the people who want to control the country. SCARY!!

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
10. Morons. Nothing ever is deleted from the internet.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:32 PM
Feb 2021

Then they choose to compound their problems by destroying evidence.

Can’t fix stupid

nuxvomica

(12,448 posts)
15. They know they are wrong
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:48 PM
Feb 2021

That's something we need to be reminded of with these people: they know that not only are their tactics wrong, their agenda is too. Their own consciences tell them it's wrong. There's a tendency to think that maybe these people are good people, maybe with poor impulse control, and that they really thought they were doing the right thing. That is simply not the case. Even those who were arrested, and suddenly saw the error of their ways and signaled regret for their actions or their words, are only regretting they didn't get away with it. Otherwise, they would retain their social media posts and make an impassioned defense of their patriotism. But they can't because they knew all along what they were doing and thinking was bad. It's like the compulsive shoplifter who lives an exemplary life otherwise, and doesn't need, or want, that fancy watch the clerk left on the counter, but is compelled to do the wrong thing, because the thrill of escaping the consequences is just too alluring.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
16. The Feds have all the tracking information from their phones.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:49 PM
Feb 2021

If your phone was there, you will be questioned by the FBI.

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. It's been more than a month, I'm sure the FBI and other authorities already have what they need.....
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:00 PM
Feb 2021

Let these thugs delete what they want.

Oldem

(833 posts)
23. The phrase of the day isn't Stop the Steal but Cover Your Ass.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:09 PM
Feb 2021

These are cowards showing the courage of their convictions. Like Mike Tyson said, every fighter has a plan until he's hit in the mouth. These people have now been hit by the legal system. They're trying to run for cover. These are "patriots" willing to fight and die for their country, but they're not willing to face the consequences of their "patriotic" actions. Sniveling cowards.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
50. Yes.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:19 AM
Feb 2021

Real patriots would face their jailers, spit on the jailers’ shoes, then list what they want for breakfast the next morning, before they faced the firing squad, without a blindfold and with a sneer on their faces.

Those posers run a around with Gadsden flags, but if they had faced redcoats, they would have cut and run at the first sign of trouble.

IronLionZion

(45,541 posts)
24. Innocent people wouldn't hide evidence that could exonerate them
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:10 PM
Feb 2021

these folks are looking pretty guilty and getting caught trying to destroy evidence that has long been cached and archived.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,571 posts)
26. Now!?? A little slow on the uptake, are they not?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:24 PM
Feb 2021

Of course, the most dim-witted moment was having those pics at all.

And here I am, committing serious federal crimes. And here is Clem and Ruby, come to help. Gosh that was a good holiday!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
42. Slow, indeed. Once the FBI got all the phone numbers and locations from the cell towers,
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:55 PM
Feb 2021

they got warrants for all the shit from those phones. That was probably 4 weeks ago.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
27. Why would anyone have expected clear and critical thinking...
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:30 PM
Feb 2021

from these idiots to begin with? For all of them now having regrets (about being loudly up front about their actions, NOT the wisdom of their "cause&quot , some are still running around being proud of themselves.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
31. Screenshots are a glorious thing
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:51 PM
Feb 2021

I'm not on social media, no FB or Twitter for me. But that stuff gets shared, copied, and the FBI has records. And screenshots taken of images will be evidence of their attempts to delete and obstruct justice. And there are so many video records. They're logged and filed.

Now they're deleting stuff?!? As more are arrested and indicted every day they are finally realizing they could be (or already are) in serious trouble.

Aussie105

(5,437 posts)
37. Oh dear!
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:20 PM
Feb 2021

Collecting evidence of their role in the action, thinking they would be hailed as Heroes of the Revolution!

Instead . . .

DELETE DELETE DELETE!

Too bad, too sad - not going to work.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
47. Not that I ever would be ...
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:58 AM
Feb 2021

... but if I ever were involved in an insurgency, I wouldn't take a frickin' cell phone with me. How stupid are these people? Gov't doesn't have to put a tracker on you if you're voluntarily carrying one.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. Thinking doesn't appear to be their strong suit.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:07 AM
Feb 2021

They were taken for a total ride by one of the most transparent conmen that I have ever seen.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. Well, they can't cut off their faces. And if they put it on the NET,
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:05 AM
Feb 2021

the FBI can get to it. Their faces were imaged by a lot of cameras that day. If they were smart, they would not have even shown up in DC, but given they weren’t, the next best thing is to stop trying to destroy evidence and turn themselves in.

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