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Dozens of Capitol rioters who previously proudly documented their involvement in the Jan. 6 insurrection for social media are now scrambling to delete photos and posts pointing to their presence at the Capitol on that day, according to CNN.
The news outlet reported that FBI affidavits and court documents reveal that nearly 30 previously identified rioters have allegedly attempted to get rid of evidence on their social media profiles and have also destroyed physical evidence.
Several rioters have reportedly smashed their phones, wiped hard drives and deleted photos. One man allegedly stole a police officer's body camera and another woman had her children delete photos off of their phones, moves that could result in additional charges, CNN noted.
"If the Justice Department has made a specific factual allegation in a court filing of any type, then you can bet they have that factual assertion amply backed up," CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Elie Honig, told the outlet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/capitol-rioters-scramble-to-trash-photos-and-social-media-posts-showing-they-were-part-of-mob-report/ar-BB1dEEMW?li=BBnb7Kz
You guys shit your bed now sleep in it.
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Smash your phone all you want, dumbfucks. That's not how the internet works. Hope you all shut off Cloud services. But that's unlikely.
Even if you managed to wipe something, the mere fact that you made such a move will be used against you.
iluvtennis
(19,876 posts)apps and we got subpoenas for our subscribers stored info many times.
TeamPooka
(24,259 posts)Destroying evidence can get you in more trouble than a misdemeanor. I think they call it obstruction.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,118 posts)They get caught destroying evidence they should be charged with it. This includes deleting photos.
hurple
(1,306 posts)😂
KS Toronado
(17,346 posts)Qrump's base is uneducated deplorables with no critical thinking abilities who believe that Qrump is
such a stable genius that's he's doing all the thinking for them.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)This is a great read. Proves that not only low education QAnon were involved.
From The Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-capitol-rioters-arent-like-other-extremists/617895/
(My Bold)
The Capitol Rioters Arent Like Other Extremists
We analyzed 193 people arrested in connection with the January 6 riotand found a new kind of American radicalism.
FEBRUARY 2, 2021
Robert A. Pape
Political-science professor at the University of Chicago
Keven Ruby
Senior research associate of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats
On January 6, a mob of about 800 stormed the U.S. Capitol in support of former President Donald Trump, and many people made quick assumptions regarding who the insurrectionists were. Because a number of the rioters prominently displayed symbols of right-wing militias, for instance, some experts called for a crackdown on such groups. Violence organized and carried out by far-right militant organizations is disturbing, but it at least falls into a category familiar to law enforcement and the general public. However, a closer look at the people suspected of taking part in the Capitol riot suggests a different and potentially far more dangerous problem: a new kind of violent mass movement in which more normal Trump supportersmiddle-class and, in many cases, middle-aged people without obvious ties to the far rightjoined with extremists in an attempt to overturn a presidential election.
To understand the events of January 6 and devise solutions to prevent their recurrence, Americans need a fine-grained comprehension of who attacked the Capitol. Understanding the ideology and beliefs of those who commit political violence is important, but so is knowing what kind of people they are and what their lives are like.
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Of these suspects, 193 have been charged with being inside the Capitol building or with breaking through barriers to enter the Capitol grounds. We focused our research on these 193. We compared our findings on these suspected insurrectionists with demographic data that we had previously compiled on the 108 individuals arrested by the FBI and local law-enforcement agencies around the country for violence related to right-wing political causes from 2015 to 2020. We used the same methodology to analyze both groups: Our team reviewed all court documents related to each arrestwhich include criminal complaints, statement of facts, and affidavitsand conducted searches of media coverage of each arrestee. Four findings stand out.
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Second, a large majority of suspects in the Capitol riot have no connection to existing far-right militias, white-nationalist gangs, or other established violent organizations. We erred on the side of inclusion; we counted an arrestee as affiliated with such an organization if any court documents or news articles describe the person as a member, refer to social-media posts expressing an affinity for a certain group, or attest to patches or apparel that directly indicate support.
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Third, the demographic profile of the suspected Capitol rioters is different from that of past right-wing extremists. The average age of the arrestees we studied is 40. Two-thirds are 35 or older, and 40 percent are business owners or hold white-collar jobs. Unlike the stereotypical extremist, many of the alleged participants in the Capitol riot have a lot to lose. They work as CEOs, shop owners, doctors, lawyers, IT specialists, and accountants. Strikingly, court documents indicate that only 9 percent are unemployed. Of the earlier far-right-extremist suspects we studied, 61 percent were under 35, 25 percent were unemployed, and almost none worked in white-collar occupations.
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Whats clear is that the Capitol riot revealed a new force in American politicsnot merely a mix of right-wing organizations, but a broader mass political movement that has violence at its core and draws strength even from places where Trump supporters are in the minority. Preventing further violence from this movement will require a deeper understanding of its activities and participants, and the two of us do not claim to know which political tactics might ultimately prove helpful. But Americans who believe in democratic norms should be wary of pat solutions. Some of the standard methods of countering violent extremismsuch as promoting employment or waiting patiently for participants to mellow with ageprobably wont mollify middle-aged, middle-class insurrectionists. And simply targeting better-established far-right organizations will not prevent people like the Capitol rioters from trying to exercise power by force.
erronis
(15,355 posts)reACTIONary
(5,788 posts)KS Toronado
(17,346 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)media campaign to counter the RW propaganda that causes millions to believe lies that make them angry and promotes misunderstanding of what the US Constitution is and what it says in relation to various commonly considered issues.
The campaign I have in mind would, for instance, popularize the notion that no one should support for high office a candidate who, like Trump, knows nothing of our Constitution. It would promote a more reasonable idea of what makes someone a "patriot."
Some of the techniques RWers use to sell lies & hate could be used to sell Democratic facts and love.
It might not affect the radicals that article describes, but it would isolate them and make it impossible for extremist RWers to gain political power.
Though not focused on a particular candidate, it would benefit all Democrats who run for office and draw support away from RW Rs.
Yeah, I know it's a pipe dream. Even if such a program could be created, it would require massive funding. If billionaires who are Dems didn't greedily side with Rs on issues that might make them less obscenely wealthy, they could and would fund such a campaign.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)DBoon
(22,399 posts)The most extreme historical example, however, is undoubtedly the substantial public support for fascist regimes in the interwar years which came not only from the lower middle classes but also from significant parts of the upper bourgeoisie. Terrified by the specter of communism, the middle classes across Europe flocked to right-wing strongmen, showing little commitment to the ideals of liberal democracy and parliamentarism. Autocrats like Mussolini, Franco and Hitler seemed to offer protection for their wealth. Carl Schmitt, Hitlers notorious legal theorist, claimed that only a strong authoritarian state could guarantee the preservation of the propertied middle class.
Edvard Benes, the Czechoslovak liberal politician, observed in 1940 from his London exile: The middle classes realized that political democracy, carried to its logical conclusion, could lead to social and economic democracy, and therefore began to see in the authoritarian regimes salvation from a social revolution of the working and peasant classes.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/opinion/middle-class-liberalism-populism.html
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,188 posts)They believe themselves constitutional scholars and epidemiologists.
They took a degree in dumb fuckery.
RainCaster
(10,923 posts)theneworiginal
(302 posts)Now it's part of the FBI's investigations. She is a quiet hero in this process. What she did is a big reason that many of these "Patriots" will be prosecuted.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)I know from personal experience trying to find older pages of various sites. Also,
CaptainTruth
(6,602 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,721 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)Wawannabe
(5,680 posts)They shit in the Capitol too!
And should have had their noses rubbed in it.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)and I dunno ... kill everyone there I suppose ... and then they could live forever in paradise on Earth with Tangeranus as their God-Emperor.
They were 'The Storm' and 'The Plan' made flesh, you understand?
erronis
(15,355 posts)Dumb morons.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)The moment you hit send/enter it is out there forever you insurrection idiots. You might be able to hide it from average computer users but the FBI has ways to easily find your so called deleted posts. These people are just stupid fucks.
These are the people who want to control the country. SCARY!!
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Then they choose to compound their problems by destroying evidence.
Cant fix stupid
Hekate
(90,837 posts)housecat
(3,121 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,311 posts)surprised many consented to photos in the first place
orangecrush
(19,624 posts)nuxvomica
(12,448 posts)That's something we need to be reminded of with these people: they know that not only are their tactics wrong, their agenda is too. Their own consciences tell them it's wrong. There's a tendency to think that maybe these people are good people, maybe with poor impulse control, and that they really thought they were doing the right thing. That is simply not the case. Even those who were arrested, and suddenly saw the error of their ways and signaled regret for their actions or their words, are only regretting they didn't get away with it. Otherwise, they would retain their social media posts and make an impassioned defense of their patriotism. But they can't because they knew all along what they were doing and thinking was bad. It's like the compulsive shoplifter who lives an exemplary life otherwise, and doesn't need, or want, that fancy watch the clerk left on the counter, but is compelled to do the wrong thing, because the thrill of escaping the consequences is just too alluring.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)If your phone was there, you will be questioned by the FBI.
George II
(67,782 posts)Let these thugs delete what they want.
paleotn
(17,989 posts)And now they've gotten themselves in even hotter water.
Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)users delete them or not.
Oldem
(833 posts)These are cowards showing the courage of their convictions. Like Mike Tyson said, every fighter has a plan until he's hit in the mouth. These people have now been hit by the legal system. They're trying to run for cover. These are "patriots" willing to fight and die for their country, but they're not willing to face the consequences of their "patriotic" actions. Sniveling cowards.
Real patriots would face their jailers, spit on the jailers shoes, then list what they want for breakfast the next morning, before they faced the firing squad, without a blindfold and with a sneer on their faces.
Those posers run a around with Gadsden flags, but if they had faced redcoats, they would have cut and run at the first sign of trouble.
IronLionZion
(45,541 posts)these folks are looking pretty guilty and getting caught trying to destroy evidence that has long been cached and archived.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,571 posts)Of course, the most dim-witted moment was having those pics at all.
And here I am, committing serious federal crimes. And here is Clem and Ruby, come to help. Gosh that was a good holiday!
Nay
(12,051 posts)they got warrants for all the shit from those phones. That was probably 4 weeks ago.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)from these idiots to begin with? For all of them now having regrets (about being loudly up front about their actions, NOT the wisdom of their "cause" , some are still running around being proud of themselves.
OMGWTF
(3,976 posts)SUCKERS!
MyMission
(1,850 posts)I'm not on social media, no FB or Twitter for me. But that stuff gets shared, copied, and the FBI has records. And screenshots taken of images will be evidence of their attempts to delete and obstruct justice. And there are so many video records. They're logged and filed.
Now they're deleting stuff?!? As more are arrested and indicted every day they are finally realizing they could be (or already are) in serious trouble.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,636 posts)Aussie105
(5,437 posts)Collecting evidence of their role in the action, thinking they would be hailed as Heroes of the Revolution!
Instead . . .
DELETE DELETE DELETE!
Too bad, too sad - not going to work.
BlueWavePsych
(2,640 posts)Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Straw Man
(6,625 posts)... but if I ever were involved in an insurgency, I wouldn't take a frickin' cell phone with me. How stupid are these people? Gov't doesn't have to put a tracker on you if you're voluntarily carrying one.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They were taken for a total ride by one of the most transparent conmen that I have ever seen.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)the FBI can get to it. Their faces were imaged by a lot of cameras that day. If they were smart, they would not have even shown up in DC, but given they werent, the next best thing is to stop trying to destroy evidence and turn themselves in.